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Old 22-05-2016, 14:15
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I mean the Beeb don't take any other BT shows, just Baldings. Suggesting that they still rate her very highly.
Suggesting it's a cheap way to fill 30 minutes on BBC2
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:45
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Simon Holt is in a class of is own as a racing commentator. ITV would be shooting themselves int he foot if they didn't bring him over.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:15
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Simon Holt is in a class of is own as a racing commentator. ITV would be shooting themselves int he foot if they didn't bring him over.
100% agree
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Old 26-05-2016, 08:31
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Have to say along with Chamberlin I would like to see Alice Plunkitt go over and possibly Tanya Stevenson.

I think Tony McCoy will be involved in some way and Mick Fitzgerald could also make the move.
Also wonder if there may be a place for Hayley Turner for the female perceptive?

100% John Hunt for lead commentator, maybe keep Simon Holt but certainly not in his capacity like he has now.
Certainly wouldn't want the likes of Ian Bartlett or Richard Hollis but certainly the likes of Mark Johnston or Darren Owen would be good additions although I feel ITV will go for a younger up and coming commentator.


Not sure who I would go for as secondary presenter although like I have said Mike Cattermole would also fit the bill nicely but certainly not Nick Luck.
Shame they couldn't tempt John Francome as he would also be a great addition.
I think John Hunt is a very good commentator, as are Simon Holt and Richard Hoiles. I don;t think Ian Bartlless is many people's favourite but I like him. Accurate, I like his turns of phrase and he has a good voice in my opinion.

Mark Johnston please, no - he is far too shouty.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:46
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I think John Hunt is a very good commentator, as are Simon Holt and Richard Hoiles. I don;t think Ian Bartlless is many people's favourite but I like him. Accurate, I like his turns of phrase and he has a good voice in my opinion.

Mark Johnston please, no - he is far too shouty.
Strange how Richard Hoiles isn't everyone's cup of tea - I think he's excellent. At Royal Ascot last year C4 did a 4-2 split on the live races between Holt and Hoiles and I'd like to see the same at the other major meetings.
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Old 26-05-2016, 16:53
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I think John Hunt is a very good commentator, as are Simon Holt and Richard Hoiles. I don;t think Ian Bartlless is many people's favourite but I like him. Accurate, I like his turns of phrase and he has a good voice in my opinion.

Mark Johnston please, no - he is far too shouty.
Ian Bartlett sounds like he is being strangled

Simon Holt has been on too long and needs competition now

Mark Johnson is great at the big meetings so would be ideal for ITV's coverage and is about the most accurate caller

John Hunt not as good as he once was

Richard Hoiles is the same as Simon Holt now

Some new names would be nice like Malcolm 'Blasting Home' Tomlinson to shake up the TV commentators roster as long as they don't try and get a woman to do it like the failed competition tried.
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Old 08-06-2016, 19:59
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ITV have confirmed Ed Chamberlain...

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...acing-coverage
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Old 11-07-2016, 21:34
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Tomorrow's Racing Post front page. Leading trainer Mark Johnston's message to ITV:
* Drop betting talk on coverage of horse racing;
* Learn the lessons from Top Gear's failed relaunch which kept too much the same.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnG7GA-WgAA19AL.jpg

Is he right?

I agree with him about Top Gear, but betting is surely too fundamental to horse racing as a sport to simply ignore it. There are other ways they can make the sport more attractive to viewers without doing anything as drastic as that.
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Old 11-07-2016, 22:27
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I agree with him about Top Gear, but betting is surely too fundamental to horse racing as a sport to simply ignore it. There are other ways they can make the sport more attractive to viewers without doing anything as drastic as that.
Indeed. There's a lot wrong with the current coverage, but if you ignore betting you'll just lose the few viewers remaining, rather than attracting new ones.
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Old 11-07-2016, 23:42
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Yes, not read the full article but 'drop betting talk on coverage of horse racing' is a terrible suggestion. If more than a handful of the trainers and jockeys could display any personality in interviews, and the sport could co-ordinate any kind of narrative and sense of contest across the season, that the layman could easily follow, then that would help improve the coverage. I'm sure ITV will try and encourage both but there's only so much they can do, it is mostly up to the organisers and participants in British horse racing.

EDIT: Now read the article and think Mark Johnston is mainly talking rubbish, the Top Gear analogy is meaningless and he says that because football coverage does not mention betting the horse racing coverage should not either. If anything that's an even worse comparison than the one with Top Gear. He does say bring back Tommo, hardly an innovative suggestion and unlikely to happen but probably his most sensible idea.
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Old 12-07-2016, 00:18
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he says that because football coverage does not mention betting the horse racing coverage should not either.
Not even true. On Talksport's live radio commentaries for example they frequently reference in play odds with whatever bookmaker they happen to have a deal with at the time, I think it was Betfair last season.
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Old 12-07-2016, 01:30
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I think ITV should shake up the format and the presenting team, because that is where the Channel 4 format is getting it wrong, but keep the commentary team, because that is where they are getting it right.

With the presenters, I would be happy for ITV to ditch all of the Channel 4 lot and bring in their own team except for Mick Fitzgerald, who I think is a good pundit with a lot of interesting points who I reckon would do well at ITV.

As for the commentators:

Simon Holt is the absolute gold standard. There's never been a better horse racing commentator as far as I'm concerned. He's terrific and the way he calls the races is just unparalleled in horse racing broadcasting. A true legend.

Richard Hoiles is decent if not perhaps quite as phenomenally good as Holt. He calls the races well and is knowledgeable and certainly comes out with some good phrases from time to time.

Ian Bartlett is really good too. I like his style of commentary and his voice is perfectly suited to racing commentating. He always starts off quite nonchalant at the beginning of races as if his commentary and observations are of only passing interest to the viewer until the last couple of fences/furlongs where he really ramps up his tone, volume and speed. He's a great commentator.


With the current outstanding commentary team I see no need to change them- they cannot be improved upon.
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Old 12-07-2016, 08:38
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They often talk about racing lacking 'a narrative' which of course is a load of bunkum. Over the Jumps every race is a Cheltenham trial and even on the flat every race above a certain grade tends to be seen as a trial for the next race in that sub-set of the programme

But as regards betting.....................well betting is the narrative for the upcoming race that's off in ten minutes. It frames the race for the viewer. If you're just watching casually then the race is framed by who the favourite is, who the fancied ones are, who the lively outsiders are

Not talking about betting would make the run of the mill 95% of the races fairly meaningless
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Old 12-07-2016, 08:57
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It would be impossible to think of racing coverage without betting talk. The Grand National is famous for betting, imagine covering that without mentioning betting. Absolutely ludicrous. I still think C4 have really come out of this rather unfairly. One of the reasons behind the coverage going was due to the broadcaster seeing a long term future in F1. But after Sky announced they had the exclusive rights from it, it seemed that C4 had regretted getting rid of the racing.
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Old 12-07-2016, 12:09
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You can't just drop betting from the coverage but you could curtail some of the waffle such as that after the result from Stevenson which often leaves whoever is going to talk to the winning rider wandering around waiting for her to shut up.
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Old 12-07-2016, 12:19
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With respect to Mark Johnstone he is NOT the person who ITV will be trying to attract. The ITV 7 and Scoop 6 show how important betting is to the viewer they are after. ITV need to move away from the Racing UK style and more like it used to be. A laugh, a joke and a few tips.
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Old 12-07-2016, 19:19
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With respect to Mark Johnstone he is NOT the person who ITV will be trying to attract. The ITV 7 and Scoop 6 show how important betting is to the viewer they are after. ITV need to move away from the Racing UK style and more like it used to be. A laugh, a joke and a few tips.
Completely agree Darren (How about that )

I don't mind them going away from the betting and concentrating on the sporting angle on the really big days, but week in week out the betting has to be part of it.

They should be working with a betting partner on creating a new innovative bet. Where the bloke in the shop can have his couple of quid on, but it can also appeal to people betting on their smart phones. Cash out option etc.
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Old 12-07-2016, 19:31
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With respect to Mark Johnstone he is NOT the person who ITV will be trying to attract. The ITV 7 and Scoop 6 show how important betting is to the viewer they are after. ITV need to move away from the Racing UK style and more like it used to be. A laugh, a joke and a few tips.
I agree i would think about bringing Big Mac back along with alastair down.
Big Mac i thought brought a bit of life to the betting ring, and i use to enjoy his rants.
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Old 12-07-2016, 20:03
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I agree i would think about bringing Big Mac back along with alastair down.
Big Mac i thought brought a bit of life to the betting ring, and i use to enjoy his rants.
Not so sure about Big Mac now. He is getting on a bit now and turned into a caricature of himself towards the end. Definitely Fat Al, Thommo and Catt though. They were all friendly, up for a laugh and in touch with the audience.
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Old 12-07-2016, 21:50
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Not so sure about Big Mac now. He is getting on a bit now and turned into a caricature of himself towards the end. Definitely Fat Al, Thommo and Catt though. They were all friendly, up for a laugh and in touch with the audience.
I would go along with Thommo and cat, i have seen a lot of Big Mac on you tube of late, and i agree he is not for everyone, but he brings strong talking points to a program, and a good laugh.which i have to say is lacking on CH4s the morning line.
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Old 12-07-2016, 22:14
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Hopefully none of the Channel 4 gravy trainers get anywhere near the new ITV coverage
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Old 12-07-2016, 23:19
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Apologies for the lack of a link or a direct reference, but from leafing through the sports pages at work over the weekend I saw a story claiming that Francesca Cumani had been spotted meeting with a high-ranking ITV Sport figure (it may have been Richard Willoughby) at a race meeting recently.

The journalist was stressing that there is a good chance that Cumani is in line for a role on ITV's coverage next year. I am fairly sure, although not certain, that said story was written by The Sun's Claude Duval (who, for all the issues many have with that paper, is someone I've always felt is a credible racing journalist) but I get to see almost every national paper in my workplace and can't remember which one it was that carried this story! Anyway, that was the crux of the report, so take it as you will.
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Old 13-07-2016, 10:09
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Every now and again there is bleating, mainly from a small group of trainers, about discussion of the betting. Maybe they have no interest in that and see coverage of it as a pure sport, but its viability is based on income from betting and has been for decades. Indeed its long slow decline is a serious concern.

So there is an argument there is too little on betting now compared with a few years back, and having The Morning Line on late at 9am is symptomatic of that. What it needs is some kind of new product or linkage.
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Old 19-07-2016, 17:37
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Apologies for the lack of a link or a direct reference, but from leafing through the sports pages at work over the weekend I saw a story claiming that Francesca Cumani had been spotted meeting with a high-ranking ITV Sport figure (it may have been Richard Willoughby) at a race meeting recently.

The journalist was stressing that there is a good chance that Cumani is in line for a role on ITV's coverage next year. I am fairly sure, although not certain, that said story was written by The Sun's Claude Duval (who, for all the issues many have with that paper, is someone I've always felt is a credible racing journalist) but I get to see almost every national paper in my workplace and can't remember which one it was that carried this story! Anyway, that was the crux of the report, so take it as you will.
Now confirmed, co-presenting up to 50 days of flat racing per year.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-19/i...acing-co-host/
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Old 19-07-2016, 18:53
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Now confirmed, co-presenting up to 50 days of flat racing per year.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-19/i...acing-co-host/
Interesting appointment. I've seen on her on the Melbourne cup coverage and thought she was ok. And of course she will have a lot of contacts/friends in the racing world.
At least she's a different name.
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