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what a way to go out, the phrase frankel has given us our fabulous finale was fitting, it has been confirmed this is also frankel's last race
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The end of an era for the BBC, but TBH Channel 4 and ITV always had better coverage. I tended to find the racing sandwiched between football and snooker on Grandstand.
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what a way to go out, the phrase frankel has given us our fabulous finale was fitting, it has been confirmed this is also frankel's last race
Have to say however will not miss one little bit Willie Carson, may of been a great jockey in his time along with Piggott, Eddery, Mercer and Starkey but as a pundit he miised the boat and im sure if it wasnt for Clare Balding he would of made himself look a bigger fool than he did at times and today was no exception. His statement about he could say what he wanted as it was his last appearance was cringe worthy. |
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Yes i have to agree i wont miss carson at all hes a nice enough bloke but he loves to get his word in. All in all the Beeb has done good coverage of horseracing over the years, sad to see it go but money these days talks and the beeb wont willing to splash the cash . At least we still have Channel 4 and i do like the coverage. As for frankel what a way to finish 14 from 14 truly the best horse i have ever seen and more fitting to a nicer guy in Sir Henry Cecil i hope you get well.
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Yes i have to agree i wont miss carson at all hes a nice enough bloke but he loves to get his word in. All in all the Beeb has done good coverage of horseracing over the years, sad to see it go but money these days talks and the beeb wont willing to splash the cash . At least we still have Channel 4 and i do like the coverage. As for frankel what a way to finish 14 from 14 truly the best horse i have ever seen and more fitting to a nicer guy in Sir Henry Cecil i hope you get well.
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The Beeb were willing to splash the cash - what they could afford to bid in view of constraints due to the licence fee freeze - but it was a combination of C4 bidding a greater sum of money, plus the rights holders wanting a sole terrestrial broadcaster (though Ascot wanted to keep the status quo, but with a heavy heart went with the flow), that has finally done for them.
C4 will probably still pull in big numbers for the Grand National but the other meetings will be marginalised. The reason I say the Beeb will never come back is because it would cost allot to get the infrastructure and the personnel in place again. Ken |
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The reason I say the Beeb will never come back is because it would cost allot to get the infrastructure and the personnel in place again.
Ken As with all broadcasters the BBC will be in the market for all sports rights when they come up for grabs, and there will be a new licence fee settlement in place next time the horse racing rights are available (probably under a Labour Government). |
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The reason I say the Beeb will never come back is because it would cost allot to get the infrastructure and the personnel in place again.
They just need to bid, win and award a production contract. |
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That's clearly not true because the BBC had to assemble a Formula 1 production and personnel team from scratch in 2009 when ITV relinquished the rights. The BBC hadn't covered F1 on TV since 1996.
As with all broadcasters the BBC will be in the market for all sports rights when they come up for grabs, and there will be a new licence fee settlement in place next time the horse racing rights are available (probably under a Labour Government). Quote:
The BBC use an independent production company for their racing coverage, as do C4.
They just need to bid, win and award a production contract. ![]() Thanks for correcting my stupidity! Ken |
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Can anybody tell me when Brough Scott stopped being involved with TV racing and why he left.
Was he ever part of Channel 4 Racing or did he just work for ITV? Thanks |
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Can anybody tell me when Brough Scott stopped being involved with TV racing and why he left.
Was he ever part of Channel 4 Racing or did he just work for ITV? Thanks |
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The last racing Brough presented for Channel 4 was the last Whitbread Gold Cup under that name, in April 2001. In his later years he only did the big events under both codes, the same role Alastair Down had before they moved him to do pretty much every jumps meeting but never present any Flat coverage, and presumably the same role Clare Balding will have when she presents half their racedays next year.
When he started in the 70s, though, Brough used to cover a lot of mediocre jumping - because while ITV had plenty of the major Flat events, the BBC had pretty much all the top National Hunt contracts sewn up - and on one occasion he described a seller at Catterick (which was, indeed, World of Sport for you) as a contest to determine "the worst horse in Britain". btw, I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but 2013 will be the first year since 1939, and the first completed year since 1938, when BBC TV has existed but hasn't shown racing from Ascot. |
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The thought of Clare Balding fawning over every guest on C4 and waxing lyrical about every horse she looks at fills me with dread. I thin she is a woeful presenter and it is a big mistake to make her the face of C4 racing
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Ah well. There's always an inverted snob *somewhere*.
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The thought of Clare Balding fawning over every guest on C4 and waxing lyrical about every horse she looks at fills me with dread. I thin she is a woeful presenter and it is a big mistake to make her the face of C4 racing
So what does that tell you? |
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Thank you for your replies re Brough Scott.
Did he just leave or was he got rid of? |
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Those were really the good old days......you had either, Lord Oaksey, John Rickman or either Ken Butler with Brough Scott with Penny, Gilbert and Goode the commentators for ITV whilst on the BBC you had Julian Wilson with either Jimmy Lindley (Flat Expert) or Richard Pitman with the grat Peter Osullivan and occasonally John Hanmer.
How times have changed from so few experts to what we have now, not to mention commentators. |
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Thank you for your replies re Brough Scott.
Did he just leave or was he got rid of? |
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The last racing Brough presented for Channel 4 was the last Whitbread Gold Cup under that name, in April 2001. In his later years he only did the big events under both codes, the same role Alastair Down had before they moved him to do pretty much every jumps meeting but never present any Flat coverage, and presumably the same role Clare Balding will have when she presents half their racedays next year.
When he started in the 70s, though, Brough used to cover a lot of mediocre jumping - because while ITV had plenty of the major Flat events, the BBC had pretty much all the top National Hunt contracts sewn up - and on one occasion he described a seller at Catterick (which was, indeed, World of Sport for you) as a contest to determine "the worst horse in Britain". btw, I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but 2013 will be the first year since 1939, and the first completed year since 1938, when BBC TV has existed but hasn't shown racing from Ascot. |
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I would be very shocked if he had been "got rid of" - I don't follow horse racing that closely but I've always regarded Brough Scott as a very high quality broadcaster and journalist.
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Interesting article here from The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012...ascot-audience Average audience for Champions Day was 1.1 million (100,000 up on last year) with a peak of 2.2 million (up on the 1.3 million peak of last year) |
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Thank you for your replies re Brough Scott.
Did he just leave or was he got rid of? |
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Can't see the BBC mounting much of an effort to bid against Channel 4 for the next racing deal in 2017.
Take recent experience with cricket, for example. The BBC had two opportunities to bid against Channel 4 to win back Test cricket for the contracts starting in 2002 and 2006. They didn't even mount a bid, and also didn't attempt to bid for highlights in two subsequent contracts against Channel 5. When they lost Test cricket in 1999, the Beeb went into a huge sulk and didn't show any cricket until it screened Ashes highlights in 2006-7. Admittedly, the willingness of cricket's governing body, the ECB, to throw all it's eggs in the BSkyB basket in recent years hasn't helped, but the BBC should have really made much more of an effort with cricket. Now I can see the BBC become equally uninterested in horse racing unless there's any great incentive for them to become reinvolved in the sport, which I don't think there is. The excellent Five Live big race coverage will continue, but the only way I could see racing returning to the BBC TV screens is if Channel 4 lose interest in the sport (possibly at the end of a further contract extension in around 2020) and the BBC picks up the protected free-to-air events of The Grand National and the Derby. And in that case, that's all there would be, plus possibly Cheltenham. The racing authorities are playing a dangerous game. Channel 4 has come close on a number of occasions in recent years to walking out of the sport altogether, and despite the sweetener of the Grand National and exclusivity, if the new TV deal doesn't deliver what Channel 4 expect, they will walk away, and I can't see too many free-to-air broadcasters being interested in picking up horse racing. |
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Channel 4 has come close on a number of occasions in recent years to walking out of the sport altogether, and despite the sweetener of the Grand National and exclusivity, if the new TV deal doesn't deliver what Channel 4 expect, they will walk away, and I can't see too many free-to-air broadcasters being interested in picking up horse racing.
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Cant really see the move to Channel 4 having a big increase in TV audience cross whatever just moon shine. Suspect ratings for National will fall be ok for Channel 4 but poor for major sport. That said BBC involvement had become too limited to be of worth. We will how bookies adverts will play with casual viewer next year.
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