I am looking fwd to matt chapman in the betting ring at the cheltenham festival.
That is going to be a great fun, He is great value is matt.
That is going to be a great fun, He is great value is matt.
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My Dad is in the expert/regular horse man sector and he isn't a fan of Luke Harvey and Matt Chapman at all but he said it was good that they seemed less hysterical today on ITV as they are on ATR.
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“My Dad is in the expert/regular horse man sector and he isn't a fan of Luke Harvey and Matt Chapman at all but he said it was good that they seemed less hysterical today on ITV as they are on ATR.”
“My Dad is in the expert/regular horse man sector and he isn't a fan of Luke Harvey and Matt Chapman at all but he said it was good that they seemed less hysterical today on ITV as they are on ATR.”
But part of the fun is for them to be hysterical on ITV, to get away from the stuffy CH4 image that we had for years.
Long may matt and luke be hysterical, just like they are on ATR.
Originally Posted by Keith_Rigby1:
“But part of the fun is for them to be hysterical on ITV, to get away from the stuffy CH4 image that we had for years.
Long may matt and luke be hysterical, just like they are on ATR.”
“But part of the fun is for them to be hysterical on ITV, to get away from the stuffy CH4 image that we had for years.
Long may matt and luke be hysterical, just like they are on ATR.”
It's fine being a bit of a character but on ATR they are over the top. On ITV they can do it for sure but they have to tone it down as plenty of their hysterics are quite in-jokey for the horsey folk. Would be alien to the casuals.
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“It's fine being a bit of a character but on ATR they are over the top. On ITV they can do it for sure but they have to tone it down as plenty of their hysterics are quite in-jokey for the horsey folk. Would be alien to the casuals.”
“It's fine being a bit of a character but on ATR they are over the top. On ITV they can do it for sure but they have to tone it down as plenty of their hysterics are quite in-jokey for the horsey folk. Would be alien to the casuals.”
I cant agree with that, most of the people watch horse racing are well into it, As for the casual viewer they might be around on the first show, and some might stick around for the second show, but then its back to the hard core racing fan on the 3rd show. As for hysterics, matt chapman would not be the same if he tried to change. i for one would think about watching RUK or ATR if he did change.
The last thing we all want, is to go back to the stuffy days of CH4 racing.
Originally Posted by tomee:
“How many of you had bets on then and did you win.”
“How many of you had bets on then and did you win.”
I love a bet and have done for the last 50 years, but with the heavy going, And all the N/Rs i never botherd today. but i still enjoyed the ITV coverage of the racing.
Originally Posted by Keith_Rigby1:
“I cant agree with that, most of the people watch horse racing are well into it, As for the casual viewer they might be around on the first show, and some might stick around for the second show, but then its back to the hard core racing fan on the 3rd show. As for hysterics, matt chapman would not be the same if he tried to change. i for one would think about watching RUK or ATR if he did change.
The last thing we all want, is to go back to the stuffy days of CH4 racing.”
“I cant agree with that, most of the people watch horse racing are well into it, As for the casual viewer they might be around on the first show, and some might stick around for the second show, but then its back to the hard core racing fan on the 3rd show. As for hysterics, matt chapman would not be the same if he tried to change. i for one would think about watching RUK or ATR if he did change.
The last thing we all want, is to go back to the stuffy days of CH4 racing.”
Not saying go back to stuffy output, I'm saying they need to strike right balance...
Especially for the 'mundane' meetings to entice and engage if/any casuals tune in plus the hardcore. Actually unlike football or other sports it is a very hard thing to do. They have a bit of time to juggle around and to a bit trial and error before the first real big meeting. I'm firmly in the casual viewer camp but in a household/family that are more hardcore camp and worked in the industry. Titles apart it was very good though today.
Have watched racing for years, but after Watching Ed on Sky's Football coverage for years, I wanted to see how he done
Had to giggle when Matt Chapman kept called him chief
Had to giggle when Matt Chapman kept called him chief
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“Not saying go back to stuffy output, I'm saying they need to strike right balance... Especially for the 'mundane' meetings to entice and engage if/any casuals tune in plus the hardcore. Actually unlike football or other sports it is a very hard thing to do. They have a bit of time to juggle around and to a bit trial and error before the first real big meeting.
I'm firmly in the casual viewer camp but in a household/family that are more hardcore camp and worked in the industry. Titles apart it was very good though today.”
“Not saying go back to stuffy output, I'm saying they need to strike right balance...
Especially for the 'mundane' meetings to entice and engage if/any casuals tune in plus the hardcore. Actually unlike football or other sports it is a very hard thing to do. They have a bit of time to juggle around and to a bit trial and error before the first real big meeting. I'm firmly in the casual viewer camp but in a household/family that are more hardcore camp and worked in the industry. Titles apart it was very good though today.
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I agree it was very good today, i enjoyed it.
Only saw the beginning of todays coverage but from what I saw and the comments here it does look like they've got more of hte spirit of the C4 Racing of old rather than the BBC-lite clone it had become.
The casual viewer (where I certainly fall) doesn't know the difference. Yes, Cheltenham, the National and the Derby will always be the big ticket races but on a week to week basis only the racing fan can really distinguish between the quality of the field - racing is all about racing. It's not about records and the way racing works means the big name jockeys are there week in week out anyway.
If ITV had something else to offer at weekend fair enough demoting it all to ITV4, but most weeks they don't so I do think airing 2-3 more meetings before Cheltenham would have been wise just to get ITV Racing established.
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“I disagree.
Putting run of the mill meetings on ITV would be counterproductive - the casual viewer won't be drawn in by that, and thus might not watch the bigger events.”
“I disagree.
Putting run of the mill meetings on ITV would be counterproductive - the casual viewer won't be drawn in by that, and thus might not watch the bigger events.”
The casual viewer (where I certainly fall) doesn't know the difference. Yes, Cheltenham, the National and the Derby will always be the big ticket races but on a week to week basis only the racing fan can really distinguish between the quality of the field - racing is all about racing. It's not about records and the way racing works means the big name jockeys are there week in week out anyway.
If ITV had something else to offer at weekend fair enough demoting it all to ITV4, but most weeks they don't so I do think airing 2-3 more meetings before Cheltenham would have been wise just to get ITV Racing established.
The reviews are in: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...y-horse-racing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/20...-tweaks-could/
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews
The Guardian and Telegraph are both cautiously optimistic, with plenty of suggestions for improvement, despite the contrasting headlines. But this article wonders whether the quality of terrestrial coverage will really matter in four years
http://vgtips.co.uk/will-mred-and-it...al-television/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/20...-tweaks-could/
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews
The Guardian and Telegraph are both cautiously optimistic, with plenty of suggestions for improvement, despite the contrasting headlines. But this article wonders whether the quality of terrestrial coverage will really matter in four years
http://vgtips.co.uk/will-mred-and-it...al-television/
The Telegraph article... Subline about "social media users" and then you see bits "going by tweets..." patter. Lazy.
There's probably a lot of truth in that vgtips articles argument. It's the same thing as snooker people can bang on about the good old days when millions watched racing and bet on the horses but those days have gone and I don't know if different presenters/channels or formats is going to make any difference in that fact.
It's doing well to even still be getting terrestrial coverage every weekend (abelt with a fat bookies sponsorship package subsidising it) outside of the Festival/National/Royal Ascot/Derby meetings ITV will probably find their 300th repeat of Harry Potter will get more viewers on Saturday afternoon.
It's doing well to even still be getting terrestrial coverage every weekend (abelt with a fat bookies sponsorship package subsidising it) outside of the Festival/National/Royal Ascot/Derby meetings ITV will probably find their 300th repeat of Harry Potter will get more viewers on Saturday afternoon.
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“I disagree.
Putting run of the mill meetings on ITV would be counterproductive - the casual viewer won't be drawn in by that, and thus might not watch the bigger events.”
“I disagree.
Putting run of the mill meetings on ITV would be counterproductive - the casual viewer won't be drawn in by that, and thus might not watch the bigger events.”
Also as well, you could argue that people already know where ITV is, but they might not know where ITV4 is, and given that's where the majority of the coverage is going to be, they need to have enough on there to make it a habit. I think they should probably have mentioned ITV4 a lot more on the programme, to be honest, I don't know if the casual viewer thinks it'll be on ITV all the time now?
The other week someone in the Guardian snootily suggested racing is moving to "something called ITV4". A lot easier to find than if it was on Sky Sports 5...
More verdicts on ITV's first day http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rac...heltenham.html
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sp...ebut-m6vq8jzsb
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sp...ebut-m6vq8jzsb
A slightly nervy first outing but that's understandable and conditions weren't great for an all outdoor show so best to give them a bit of time. I'm still not convinced TV is AP's thing and I think you either like Matt Chapman or you don't. The weather was of course excellent with the lovely Lucy and Victoria Pendelton was better than I thought she would be. The graphics are certainly going to test your eyesight but did mention stuff like tongue strap for the first time, all they need is for some bright spark to enlarge them and who knows they might add in if the horse has won over the course or course and distance.
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“A slightly nervy first outing but that's understandable and conditions weren't great for an all outdoor show so best to give them a bit of time. I'm still not convinced TV is AP's thing and I think you either like Matt Chapman or you don't. The weather was of course excellent with the lovely Lucy and Victoria Pendelton was better than I thought she would be. The graphics are certainly going to test your eyesight but did mention stuff like tongue strap for the first time, all they need is for some bright spark to enlarge them and who knows they might add in if the horse has won over the course or course and distance.”
“A slightly nervy first outing but that's understandable and conditions weren't great for an all outdoor show so best to give them a bit of time. I'm still not convinced TV is AP's thing and I think you either like Matt Chapman or you don't. The weather was of course excellent with the lovely Lucy and Victoria Pendelton was better than I thought she would be. The graphics are certainly going to test your eyesight but did mention stuff like tongue strap for the first time, all they need is for some bright spark to enlarge them and who knows they might add in if the horse has won over the course or course and distance.”
I agree with this, for a first program it was a very promising start.
Lets all give it a chance.
I didn't get a chance to see the programme yesterday but I am looking forward to catching up with it soon. I don't see the point in eschewing from studio presentation in favour of standing out in the rain. Sounds cheap.
Simon Holt is the course commentator at Plumpton this afternoon. I am looking forward to seeing and hearing more of him on Racing UK.
Simon Holt is the course commentator at Plumpton this afternoon. I am looking forward to seeing and hearing more of him on Racing UK.
Per the Ratings Thread:
Yesterday's programme averaged 676k (5.4% viewing share)
I don't have a comparable figure for C4 Racing and of course ratings will fluctuate from day to day.
However, from memory I seem to recall that C4 Racing typically averaged about approx. 450k on a routine Saturday (ie not counting the very big days).
Obviously NYD was not a Saturday but broadly comparable in the sense it was a Bank Holiday.
So overall impression is that the move to ITV has produced quite an uplift - it might not look massive, but in percentage terms it's a big increase.
Of course it was only ITV's first day, so far, far too early to draw any conclusions - just an initial indicator.
If anyone can find a C4 Racing average then please post it.
Other aspect is how it compares to typical ITV (Saturday) daytime ratings - again I don't have precise figures - but from the Ratings Thread over the years I would be surprised if it is any better and it may be somewhat worse.
Yesterday's programme averaged 676k (5.4% viewing share)
I don't have a comparable figure for C4 Racing and of course ratings will fluctuate from day to day.
However, from memory I seem to recall that C4 Racing typically averaged about approx. 450k on a routine Saturday (ie not counting the very big days).
Obviously NYD was not a Saturday but broadly comparable in the sense it was a Bank Holiday.
So overall impression is that the move to ITV has produced quite an uplift - it might not look massive, but in percentage terms it's a big increase.
Of course it was only ITV's first day, so far, far too early to draw any conclusions - just an initial indicator.
If anyone can find a C4 Racing average then please post it.
Other aspect is how it compares to typical ITV (Saturday) daytime ratings - again I don't have precise figures - but from the Ratings Thread over the years I would be surprised if it is any better and it may be somewhat worse.
Channel 4 had average of 558,00 on New Years Day 2016 and 601,000 in 2015.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Channel 4 had average of 558,00 on New Years Day 2016 and 601,000 in 2015.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews”
“Channel 4 had average of 558,00 on New Years Day 2016 and 601,000 in 2015.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...=last7DaysNews”
OK - thanks - so looks like NYD has historically rated higher than a "routine" Saturday.
Of course going forward the vast majority of routine Saturdays will be on ITV4, not ITV.
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“I didn't get a chance to see the programme yesterday but I am looking forward to catching up with it soon. I don't see the point in eschewing from studio presentation in favour of standing out in the rain. Sounds cheap.
Simon Holt is the course commentator at Plumpton this afternoon. I am looking forward to seeing and hearing more of him on Racing UK.”
“I didn't get a chance to see the programme yesterday but I am looking forward to catching up with it soon. I don't see the point in eschewing from studio presentation in favour of standing out in the rain. Sounds cheap.
Simon Holt is the course commentator at Plumpton this afternoon. I am looking forward to seeing and hearing more of him on Racing UK.”
It's only really since IMG took over the C4 contract and killed off C4 Racing that racing has been presented from a studio. Before then it was almost always presented out and about on the course by both C4 and the BBC.
Ultimately I do think presentation is better out and about on the course but the more important thing is the presenter - and Ed Chamberlin is absolutely leagues ahead of the charmless Nick Luck.
Thought it was ok for a first day, it will get better over the coming months as the team start to gel, having said that I think it was a serious mistake putting Matt Chapman in the betting ring, I like Matt a lot & they should let him do what he is best at, "winding up" jockeys & trainers!.
Next Saturdays races http://www.itv.com/racing/tv-schedul...-racing-on-itv
Next Saturdays races http://www.itv.com/racing/tv-schedul...-racing-on-itv
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