you can keep repeating and repeating and repeating that as many times as you want, it doesnt make it true.

the truth is, the football club called rangers are under new ownership, the old owners are in dire trouble, but rangers is still in existence, along with the contents of their trophy cabinets, now obviously you are frustrated by this, all those wet dreams about no more rangers, imagining what it would be like to be the best team in scotland. all dashed, i understand why you are frustrated though.

You don't seem to understand. Its not about ownership, its about the old company being liquidated. Rangers FC are dead. There is going to be a newco called The Rangers. They will have to reapply to get in to the SPL, which SPL clubs will vote on to say yes or no. Their old history will not remain as they will be a completely new company.

So using the analogy I gave have Alloa won the European Cup Winner's Cup and the European Super Cup? After all, I'd have bought the 'assets' of Aberdeen FC.


That is true as they haven't been liquidated yet and won't be for several weeks yet.


I think you'll find I've said that Rangers would always exist in one form or another.


Celtic are the best team in Scotland. Did you not see the league table where we finished 20 points ahead of Rangers?




Looks like your mask has slipped.

If Rangers are in Scottish Division 3, is it decided which clubs go from Scottish Division 2 to Scottish Division 1, and then Scottish Division 3 to Scottish Division 2.

I then assume that clubs from the Highland League etc, could also apply in an open application to Scottish Division 3. Although they may not get in it might be worth applying anyway.

I think it would be the teams that lost the play off finals.


That is correct, any side that wanted to could apply to the SFL.

No mask to slip, i am here for all to see.

Why don't you answer the question I asked?

If I bought over Alloa Athletic, then bought over Aberdeen FC and all their assets so Alloa took their place in the SPL have Alloa Athletic won the European Cup Winners' Cup and European Super Cup?

there's NO transition of history .....

Oh, I know that but some seem to think that by buying the 'assets' the history and titles have also been bought.

Rangers football club always have and always will be rangers football club, who own the club may change, and the company owning it may change also, but the club will remain the same, with the same history, in the same ground and the same fans.

What you are talking about is merging two clubs together, not sure is thats possible or if its ever happened before, not sure what would happen in that situation.

the only thing i can think of similar would be west germany merging with east germany, they are now known as germany, and have won the world cup.

but as i say that isnt happening, the club is still there, and will still be there next year, wether in the spl or 3rd div, history intact.

No, I'm not speaking about merging 2 clubs together. I'm talking about buying the 'assets' of Aberdeen, killing them and moving their SPL place to Alloa Athletic who play about 120 miles from Aberdeen.

I would be the owner of the assets of Aberdeen FC.

If you aren't sure what would happen in this situation why are you so sure that the existing history of Rangers FC continues with The Rangers FC?


Rangers won't be, The Rangers may be but there will be no history.

Sorry, but the hypothetical scenario you are trying to put out makes no sense at all. and bares no relation to what is happening at the moment, it is just comes across as a bitter and angry celtic fan trying every way he can to put the boot into rangers any way he can.

As i said no matter how much you want it, rangers will continue to exist, and their trophy cabinet will still be bulging.

I see no point carrying on, as you will simply repeat the same resposnes, and looking back at the rest of the thread, your hatred for rangers goes back long before the financial problems, so i see little hope of a sensible discussion.

oh and by the way, i dont really see my self as a rangers fan, i was never into football as a kid, i kinda kept out of it all if i could, so dont think this is a rangers fan being bitter, as really i aint a fan, just an interested observer.

You gotta laugh at the Rangers fan so desperate to cling on there history.

Bigotry against catholics, tax evasion, potentially have used ineligible players for 10 years. It really isnt a great history.

Oh and these idiotic journalists who continue to use the term 'old firm' need to stop. There is no old firm. Rangers FC died last week!!

It's quite simple, The Rangers wish to transfer the share of Rangers to them, therefore they have to accept any conditions attached including punishments or Ibrox will be handy for a property developer.

Do you really think that liquidation is a magic wand? You can't pick and choose what baggage goes with you. Rangers ceased to exsist. A new Rangers will emerge. Without the debts but also without the history. History isn't an assett to be bought and sold.
The bottom line is, Rangers fans will claim they still have the history, everyone else will know differently.

New co, new team, new name. No honours!!

Same slogan "Nobody likes us, we don't care" or whatever it goes like !!

This.

They want to choose what comes from the oldco. They are all up in arms about possible punishments for crimes of the oldco but at the same time want a newco with all the history of oldco.

For me its a newco and a newco should be starting in div 3.

It makes perfect sense but you don't want to answer because it makes your position look ludicrous.

If I transfer the 'assets' of Aberdeen to Alloa Athletic then Alloa Athletic will still not have won the European Cup Winners' Cup or the European Super Cup as they were won by another side. Likewise The Rangers will not have won any trophies.


The only thing bulging at Ibrox these days is Ally's waistline.


Don't then, simples!


But Rangers are your 'team' right?

...if voted in by the SFL members. And if they are, what's quite amusing is that for the first three seasons, they're only associate members, so don't get to vote on any matter put before the league.

Basically, East Stirling would have more of a say in Scottish Football than The "mighty" Rangers.

Despite Croatia going out they have really impressed me this tournament I fear the worst for Scotland. I really see them giving us about 5 or 6

How likely is this punishment though?.....

Since all this began, there has been talk of "punishment" and "sanctions" galore, but the Scottish football authorities havent yet come out with any serious punishment yet, have they?.

I have no idea how consistent these authorities are, but if expulsion of this "newco" was on the cards, why have they not said so already?......

At this late stage, after the new seasons fixtures have been confirmed, how likely is it that they would be torn up now, I think highly unlikely.

the papers/people in here are crazy

first they are adamant rangers have lost all their titles
newco rangers has no right to the titles etc etc

now they saying lets strip them of 7......
this is the crazyiness we live in

will the rangers be on -7 titles before we even kicked a ball

so make your mind up time....do newco rangers have the titles to be possibly striped away for ALLEGED mispayments

It's incredibly simple -- titles have been awarded to Rangers Football Club, which very soon will no longer exists. However, its legacy remains, in the same way that Third Lanark are still on the Scottish Cup, and Gretna are recorded as winning the three SFL divisions in successive seasons.

So whether NewCo has a claim to the history or not, Rangers Football Club can still be stripped of titles.

The title stripping would be for those titles won while fielding ineligible players. it will be wiped from the history that The Rangers wish to inherit.

If you don't want titles stripped, then The Rangers will have to leave the history behind.

54-7=?

we still welcome the chase , even though it will still be 54

so when exactly do we lose these titles? has rangers ebt use been deemed illegal yet? the spl have decided we have a case to answer

even if found guilty, i doubt they would strip titles, green won't accept liability then it will goto cos and get thrown out....and nothing the papers say will convince me otherwise