[Spike54]

I love Louie but I think he was wrong last night. Torvil and Dean probably gave her the most difficult prop to deal with, but this wasn't totally apparent to the judges as she made it look too easy.

[poshtamfan]

Originally Posted by XDarkEyesX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3djMUN0Lc - This is skating with a ribbon.

I get that it's difficult and she only had a week to master it but it would have been nice to see her do something other than let it trail behind her and give it the occasional wiggle.
Poor effort from Jorgie tonight but not unsurprising as her performances have been average at best for weeks now. She's the only skater who doesn't seem to be improving.

How many hours did it take to achieve this standard? At the very least months and months probably. Jorgie had less than a week so the two cannot be compared.

[icedragon]

Originally Posted by Spike54

I love Louie but I think he was wrong last night. Torvil and Dean probably gave her the most difficult prop to deal with, but this wasn't totally apparent to the judges as she made it look too easy.

It looked easy as she only did easy stuff. Hardly moved the ribbon except when stationary herself and no footwork and she looked totally uninvolved. The ribbon can be hard to deal with but only if you actually do something with it while actually skating and simply trailing it along behind you doesn't really cut it.

[Jim Kowalski]

Originally Posted by XDarkEyesX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de3djMUN0Lc - This is skating with a ribbon.

Nice,but she should have been marked down for dropping it and completely losing contact with her partner.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by icedragon

It looked easy as she only did easy stuff. Hardly moved the ribbon except when stationary herself and no footwork and she looked totally uninvolved. The ribbon can be hard to deal with but only if you actually do something with it while actually skating and simply trailing it along behind you doesn't really cut it.

She did not just trail the ribbon behind her but you know that.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by poshtamfan

How many hours did it take to achieve this standard? At the very least months and months probably. Jorgie had less than a week so the two cannot be compared.

As well as skating on the ice for years as well.

[Selena]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

She did not just trail the ribbon behind her but you know that.

Jorgie only twirled the ribbon when Matt was carrying and lifting her and when she did the two footed spin. Otherwise Jorgie just held it up in the air and threw it.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by Selena

Jorgie only twirled the ribbon when Matt was carrying and lifting her and when she did the two footed spin. Otherwise Jorgie just held it up in the air and threw it.

There you go, she twirled it in the spin which she did on her own. She did what she was given excellently and it was a beautiful routine.

[Tejas]

Originally Posted by olivej

I agree with him too

There was something missing from Jorgies routine - it was bland and lacked anything really

This is the first routine of Jorgies that I havent liked - Louie was right, no emotion, lacked performace, she skated well but it was almost like she was having an out of body experience and just going through the motions

I agree with you! The routine was simple but in the right hands it could have been magical - had it been a pro routine with Nina & Matt, it would probably have been mesmerising and made much better use of the prop. As it was, Jorgie didn't do much, she just twirled her prop like a little girl and as a result many people - including Louie - felt it was bland.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by Tejas

I agree with you! The routine was simple but in the right hands it could have been magical - had it been a pro routine with Nina & Matt, it would probably have been mesmerising and made much better use of the prop. As it was, Jorgie didn't do much, she just twirled her prop like a little girl and as a result many people - including Louie - felt it was bland.

Alas, not the voting public, thank goodness. Oh and the other 2 judges.

[Selena]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

Alas, not the voting public, thank goodness. Oh and the other 2 judges.

To be fair Jorgie got the sympathy vote last night and was in no danger. Would she have been safe otherwise? I think so but it be interesting to see the results when they get published to see what difference Louie's comments made.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by Selena

To be fair Jorgie got the sympathy vote last night and was in no danger. Would she have been safe otherwise? I think so but it be interesting to see the results when they get published to see what difference Louie's comments made.

She didn't get my sympathy vote and you don't know for certain that she did.
I suspect Louie's comments made no different at all, Matt and Jorgie and maybe Jen are obvioulsy favourites with the gbp.

[Selena]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

She didn't get my sympathy vote and you don't know for certain that she did.
I suspect Louie's comments made no different at all, Matt and Jorgie and maybe Jen are obvioulsy favourites with the gbp.

I'm not saying you did. But it probably did cause an increase in Jorgie's votes. Look how many people posted that they voted for Jorgie because of what they consider unfair marking. Not Jorgie's fault though. Like I said I think Jorgie would have been safe anyway. But i'll be interested to see if it did make any difference.

[micthemini]

Originally Posted by ianswaiting

They were restricted in the skating moves that they could do though as she had hold of the ribbon the whole time. The others all got to put their props down and go off and do a lift unencumbered.

I think T&D really let her down with a bad prop choice and poor choreography

But Matt had to carry the whip all the time.
Chemmy carried all her props on her (well seemingly in her bra!).
In fact there was one point with Matt when he was skating and wrapping the whip round his neck and tucking it in his jacket...

So not all of them dropped their props. Jorgie could have wrapped the ribbon round herself maybe?

Think you're right about the poor choreography though.

[ianswaiting]

Originally Posted by micthemini

But Matt had to carry the whip all the time.
Chemmy carried all her props on her (well seemingly in her bra!).
In fact there was one point with Matt when he was skating and wrapping the whip round his neck and tucking it in his jacket...

So not all of them dropped their props. Jorgie could have wrapped the ribbon round herself maybe?

Think you're right about the poor choreography though.

Matt didn't carry the whip all the time. He put it down on the mounting platform in the middle of the ice rink for a while so he could skate without it and then went back to it and picked it up again.

[E05297535]

Originally Posted by FunkyFoxtrot

Jorgie may have had a difficult prop and mastered it well, but the routine was rather flat and boring, she possibly would have been better with an additional prop to make the routine more entertaining.

Yeah....how about 2 ribbons??

[diamond1]

Jorgie didn't have the stick in her hand continuously .. there was a section after she threw it where Matt had it then he gave it back to her .... and there was a large part of her routine where she was simply holding the stick up in the air and letting the momentum of skating forwards or being lifted/spun by Matt make the ribbon flow

[sweetcorn]

I completely agreed with Louis; all the others were suffering from a dose of the emperors new clothes!

[icedragon]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

There you go, she twirled it in the spin which she did on her own. She did what she was given excellently and it was a beautiful routine.

It wasn't a spin - not even a two foot one. It was a movement where she moved herself in a circle by pushing with free foot - which is basically same as stationary as far as twirling and danger and interest are concerned. Was it supposed ot be a two foot spin - maybe but it certainly wasn't. And when she was skating forward she did do nothing more than trail the ribbon behind her or hold it up off the ice with Matt - not exactly interesting or keeping the ribbon moving or twilrling it. Not difficult or dangerous. Once she was in the air and safe on Matts back she twirled it.
She performed what she was given in a competent but dull and bland way and did nothing with the prop that was remotely interesting or difficult. Louie was right it was bland.

i've like many of Jorgie's routines but this one was boring- she can't rely on just looking pretty to pretty music.

[micthemini]

Originally Posted by ianswaiting

Matt didn't carry the whip all the time. He put it down on the mounting platform in the middle of the ice rink for a while so he could skate without it and then went back to it and picked it up again.

Yes, you're right. But the reason he skated without the whip? He was holding the hula-hoop, yet another prop.

And as people have pointed out, Jorgie skated without the ribbon for a short period, as Matt (get's confusing with the Matt's ) held it for her.

[Butterflygirl]

Originally Posted by sweetcorn

I completely agreed with Louis; all the others were suffering from a dose of the emperors new clothes!

Yep, sorry, but I'm with you on that.

When I saw Robin's first score together with Louis' I thought, well, thank goodness, they actually said what they thought about it!

Louis marked what he thought, same as he has throughout the series - yes, the routine was down to T&D but it always is and skaters have still been marked down for it since the show began. Right or wrong, that's the way it works.

I'm sure that the ribbon is a hard prop, I wouldn't like to try it, but is it really any more difficult than Matt's whip? and he had a hoop to deal with as well.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by -Sid-

Unlike Louie, I quite liked the understated style of performance.

However, Jorgie STILL doesn't do enough basic skating. So I thought the marks from Robin & Katarina were justified.

I wouldn't have had her at the bottom, but I wouldn't have have had her above the two boys who performed AND skated to a high standard.

None of them skated to a very high standard, so the difference seems relatively minor to me. Chico spent ages faffing about at the start and had only a couple of good moves. Matt's routine almost seemed to be in slow motion.

Besides, Katarina's mark wasn't because there wasn't enough skating. Katarina started by saying we expect Jorgie to get better and better, then said her mark was because it was more difficult with different props. Next she tried claiming the different props were "more incorporated".

Robin then stepped in to say it was difficult to compare because of different styles and listed technical skating moves that were in Chemmy's and Chico's routines before saying Jorgie's routine was choreographed in a completely different way and "didn't have the technical content we've been used to seeing you do". <-- Note, btw, he doesn't say she's never had it, so he wouldn't agree with your "still" which implies it was never there.

(Then Louis jumped in again. )

[Veri]

Originally Posted by icedragon

It looked easy as she only did easy stuff. Hardly moved the ribbon except when stationary herself and no footwork and she looked totally uninvolved. The ribbon can be hard to deal with but only if you actually do something with it while actually skating and simply trailing it along behind you doesn't really cut it.

That is false, and what's more obviously false. Nor did she just (or even usually) trail it along behind her.

Originally Posted by Selena

Jorgie only twirled the ribbon when Matt was carrying and lifting her and when she did the two footed spin. Otherwise Jorgie just held it up in the air and threw it.

That's not true either.

Originally Posted by Tejas

I agree with you! The routine was simple but in the right hands it could have been magical - had it been a pro routine with Nina & Matt, it would probably have been mesmerising and made much better use of the prop.

What would they have done?

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

There you go, she twirled it in the spin which she did on her own. She did what she was given excellently and it was a beautiful routine.

Originally Posted by icedragon

It wasn't a spin - not even a two foot one. It was a movement where she moved herself in a circle by pushing with free foot - which is basically same as stationary as far as twirling and danger and interest are concerned.

It doesn't matter that it's not a "spin" in that narrow, technical sense. It was certainly not the same as being stationary where twirling and danger are concerned (and interest is subjective).

Re claims that it was dull, bland, etc, that's also subjective, and many people clearly don't agree. The average mark for the routine from people using the app was 9, and 1/4th of them gave it 10. Of the judges, only Louis thought it was dull. Katarina disagreed and said the performance was there. Robin's only complaint was a relative lack of technical contents. (Robin and Katarina also gave it pretty high marks.) And clearly, Karen, Torvil and Dean, Matt, Phil and Christine were nonplussed by Louis's marks and comments.

[gazb2]

There are so many people on here with ridiculous opinions...I know it's a personal opinion, but it really is irritating when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. Jorgie's routine was absolutely beautiful...and she did what she was given very very well.

[cooperone]

Is that the first time on DOI that the judges score is incorrect on the board....I dont remember it ever happening before, perhaps Robin had a change of heart after the boossss..