Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I skate too you know. I can tell a spin from a push around with the free foot and I also have eyes that saw when Jorgie was just skating forward she was not twirling the ribbon but trailing it behind her. She twirled it when stationary or in Matts arms and for a brief moment (which is where I thought the routine might actually be good but it went nowhere ) when she did a couple of back x's

Mmm, well, I think everyone is entitled to an opinion without it being called ridiculous.
However, I totally agree with your second point - I thought the routine was lovely and she did it more than competently. However I also think she was correctly scored lower than the others ( except Jen). I think the prop was the most difficult one and I think that led to the routine being all about the ribbon and it failed to incorporate the skating to which she is more than capable. That's not her fault - it's the fault of the choreographers - but you can't expect the judges to mark on what they know her to be capable of, they can only score on what they see - which, for me - was lacking in skating difficulty. I do not think the ribbon difficulty should be used as an excuse why the skating part of the routine was allowed to be lack lustre.

Having said that, I believe Louie should have scored slightly higher and that Jorgie should have been one from bottom ( Jen bottom) and I am glad Jorgie stayed as she deserved to.

This is all IMHO, of course, however ridiculous it may be

No, she twirled it more than that.

Anyone who re-watches it can see that she did.

Surely not?

That's all reasonable (which is different from saying I completely agree), but some of the marks did seem to be (at least in part) about what they knew she was capable of, or even had done in other weeks, rather than what they saw on the night.

Also, it was only Robin who said his mark was because of a lack of technical content / skating difficulty, and he marked Jorgie above Jen and only 0.5 below Chico and Chemmy (which seems ok).

Both Louis and Katarina had reasons that made little sense, and I'm sure T&D never imagined that giving Jorgie only 1 prop was going to count against her.

I agree - no way should only having one prop have counted against her, nor should the way it was incorporated into the routine.

The only thing that (again IMHO) that they were forced to count against her was the lack of technical skating, but as Louie is not there to mark the skating difficulty, I was a bit surprised at his mark.

I try not to get too bogged down with the individual scores ( or it would send be mad with frustration !) provided that the positions are correct on the board. I did not think they were on Sunday as I think Jen should have been last. However overall, justice was done in that Jorgie didn't go home, but I do wonder if Jen would still have been safe if she had been bottom - and if she had been in the skate off against either Chico or Chemmy - would she have been saved? ( this is what I mean about driving myself mad with frustration - I'm going to stop with the what ifs )

I think it does metter that it is a proper spin especially if you're saying that Jorgie skated well/better than others.
If she's to get better marks then the skating needs to be executed well. Matt did a reasonable spin, as I recall.

And yes, our opinions of whether it was good, or bad, are subjective. I personally thought it was boring. For most of the routine she didn't seem to do much (note the word seem). You stated Matt seemed to be going in slow motion, well so did Jorgie, but in slow motion whilst being carried, pushed, pulled, going straight. No emotions either. Just boring. Such a shame really.

And as for the app, well really, I think it's just a fan based thing for people to use. I don't use it. I think a lot of people just put in a score without meaning. If people were really scoring properly then all of the skaters would be around the 15-20 mark max.

But of course, I will be totally and utterly wrong about all of this as I obviously didn't watch Jorgie's performance well enough

I have re-watched it several times and as far as I can see she only twirled when in Matts arms and for the few back xovers and other than that only when stationary (I include the turning around on the spot move in that). Perhaps your telly has a wobble?

I still think people are confusing 'performance' as in 'she performed what she was given competently' with 'performance in the Louis sense of projecting emotion and a story out to an audience which is a very different thing and it was that sort of performance that Jorgie has shown in previous weeks she is capable of that was lacking last week.

Not sure why Jorgie fans (and I like Jorgie) can't accept that maybe she just had an off week.

Not a 6.5 off week

Evidently was as far as Louie was concerned and his opinion is no less valid than any of the other people's even if it is different to what many of them would like it to be.

He was watching Jorgie Porter and Matt Evers perform in the quarter final stages of the seventh series of the hit ITV reality show Dancing On Ice; in which sees celebrities pair up with professional figure skaters in a bid to impress a panel of judges, and the British Public, in order to win the competition.

I was not trying to compare the two, merely show what can be done with a ribbon eg. far more than trailing it behind you and giving it the occasional wiggle.

She did not use the prop to it's full potential, maybe that's more T&D's fault than hers but the marks were about right for what she did.

I am more paranoid. When I see one of the the best performers getting dull routines for no good reason- two weeks in a row - I get suspicious. On other shows it has clear meanings - on ALW musical shows or X factor, it shows someone is trying to get you out. On other shows it can be to get people voting, to make things look more competitive, to build tension before unleashing something series winning, or to make someone less good look credible if they may be unstoppable. This time you have to think that they thought it was a great idea and no one said anything to improve it over a week, and they made a similar mistake/did as weakly last week too - or that they had a reason.

He's a judge and judges have to have criteria to mark on and know how to deal with inbuilt issues in the marking. They also have to apply the criteria equally, and consistently. Here's there a basic problem of not just marking T and D's choregraphy, and you can't end up way off the other markers by assuming your skaters should have been doing some other routine, differently to how they were taught. He's got a real problem, but the answer is to fudge the mark, like Robin, and not blame or penalise the artist who is doing what they were told.That still leaves Jorgie with a routine that can't top the leaderboard however she does it, but you don't end up implying the problem is with the performer.

He is a judge on a celebrity entertainment show dressed up as a skating based competition. There are no criteria or rules laid down anywhere as to what they should mark on and they are all free to vary what they mark on at will adn they frequently do. Katarina gave Rosemary extra credit for being a shining example to older skaters and for having quiet blades even though she was slow over the ice. Robin has often give marks I've been gobsmacked by and his reasons often make no sense to me. Jason was famous for attacking skaters in a gratuitously insulting way and his marks often reflected that. Who knows what criteria Emma or Ruthie often marked on so don't single Louis out here.

To be fair to him he wasn't marking the choreography - he said she didn't perform what she had to do with her usual performance flair. She was inward looking and didn't project because she was concentrating on the ribbon. He could see the concentration on her face rather than seeing the emotion of the piece. He never said she didn't perform it competently enough but he was looking for the extra performance flair that turns something ordinary into something extraordinary. He didn't see it in her performance and neither did I.

Louie wasn't criticising the choreography ... he was criticising the performance .. he said the performance was lacking what he usually sees from Jorgie, he said it was emotionless and didn't have "that spark and Jorgie magic" . he felt the prop was making her inward ...... are you saying that T&D told Jorgie to be emotionelss and without spark?

It was Robin and Katarina who criticised the choreography and the one prop yet it seems to be Louie who's getting all the flack.

Your correct...he did slate her performance, not the choreography.

In my opinion, however, the '6.5' was far too low as the performance really wasn't that bad...which is why he's getting the flack. At least Katarina and Robin awarded an OK mark.

OK...there was no triple lutz or toe salco's...or sit spins or three jumps....but her performance was beautiful and she looked like a true skater out there.

I'm not sure what you were watching.....Corrie perhaps?

yet when he gave Matthew a low mark compared to the other judges he didn't seem to get any flack ... the same when Katarina gave Matthew a low mark compared to what Louie and Robin gave him she didn't get flack either .... perhaps Jorgie fans are just a bit more vocal and touchy about such things

I doubt you can categorize all Jorgie fans to be vocal and touchy. When Matt received the smaller mark, it was weeks ago when others were getting the same results. He certainly wasn't at the bottom of the leader board with the likes of Jennifer ahead of him.

Did they give Matthew a 6.5? I genuinely can't remember.

I used to skate too and I agree with Icedragon ..... there was barely any technical skating content in Jorgie's programme this week

as for Coronation Street .... it's not on on a Sunday and if it was it wouldn't be on the same time as DOI as it's on the same side

Louie gave him a 6 when he got an 8 and a 7.5 off Robin and Katarina and Katarina gave Matthew a 6.5 when he got an 8.5 and an 8 from Louie and Robin

Thank you They do sound really low for Matthew. but as they were weeks ago, it is diffciult to compare them. Was he beaten by Andy or Jen and bottom of the leaderboard?

there are far less contestants now so it's more likey for any of them to be at the bottom of the leaderboard

Katarina gave Matthew the same mark as Andy that week

personally I thought that this week Matthew, Chico and Chemmy skated better than Jorgie so I would have put her second bottom