Personally I would have placed her 2nd. Chico and Chemmy did nothing at all with their props, it didn't make their performances more difficult as it did with Jorgie. Jorgie is also far more artistically pleasing than either Chico or Chemmy.

Chico and Chemmy did a lot more technical skating in their routines so that's why they're placed higher with me

No, I was watching Jorgie do very little while carrying a stick with a ribbon on it just like you. She skated forward a lot with some forward crossovers - a bit stiff in the knees I thought. She turned to backwards and did a few back crossovers and she did some on the spot turns around. And had a couple of lifts. And stood on the spot waving the ribbon while Matt held her. Woop de doo - such thrills eh? :yawn:

She has done more in the past so it was a bit disappointing in week 8 or 10 or whatever to see such minimal technical content and the very basic skating performed without any real emotion or sparkle. Chemmy for example did a really fab step sequence and did it well, and appeared to thoroughly enjoy the props performance - an enjoyment that came across even through the TV. Chemmy's performance made me sit up and take notice while Jorgie's just bored me.

And shame on you if you really are a skater, throwing in the old chestnut of triple jumps. Honestly you know full well that's a stupid thing to say.

Oh yes....and Jennifer (who was marked higher) was sitting on a suitcase flaring her arms around?? Then was standing in a pot being dragged around? Then lay on the suitcase being dragged around. Then did lifts? How did this merit a higher mark than Jorgie?!? I'm glad you enjoyed Chemmy...it was entertaining and good

Lol...I know nothing of the sort I'd quite like to see one on these shows one day.

Jennifer was marked higher by Louie on her performance and by golly did she give a good performance. Not much skating no but that's not what Louis is there to judge. Jen lived her performance and used all the nuances of the music. Purely on the skating Jorgie just edged it for doing slightly more skating (but to be honest not a great deal more since much of it was forward skating ( about two laps of the rink ).

Jen didn't do a lot of skating granted but she did a lot of 'performance' On balance I'd probably have had Jorgie and her about equal overall. It's not easy getting on and off props on the ice - yes I have tried it and ribbon twirling too and I'd personally take the ribbon over having to balance on a moving suitcase and climb into a pot and skate forward while constrained in said pot and then get out of it with out falling over. I don't even like Jennifer much (and I hate clowns) but that performance drew me in and I enjoyed it. It wasn't boring.

And if you skate then you do know it's stupid and disingenuous to throw in the idea or any of them doing a triple anything. Even Chris F who could skate well and fast before he even started and was superconfident on ice only managed an under-rotated two footed axel at the end of his series.

How long have you been skating and what's your highest level jump? Even allowing for the fact the amount of training they get is equivalent to about 5 years worth of any normal person's you aren't going to see any such jumps on DOI.

You might get one from the pros but I think the hardest jump they've had on these shows to date was Mark H's beautiful double axel.

OK, granted her performance was nice, but I much preferred Jorgie's. It's a difference of opinion. You liked Jen...I liked Jorgie. No harm done.

I've been skating for 5 years and can land doubles - not attempting triples, I just enjoy the sport and the odd competition. No...you'll never see a triple on DOI - I wasn't actually thinking this would be a possibility :P

Who was Mark H and which series?

He was Rosemary's partner this year

Oh, OK - I thought you were referring to a celeb and I didn't recall ever seeing a celeb do a double axel!

I seem to recall Colin doing quite an advanced jump last year and one of the females not sure who doing an impressive spin. I'm never impressed by celebs drawing attention to themselves, the show is about the celebs learning to skate.

Mark did his double axel as part of the pro opening number

I remember Colin doing his backflip in one of his routines with Laura and thought that a bit showoffy as the routine had already had a high level of skating and tricks from Laura herself and as a partnership so didn't need it (plus he'd already showed he could do that sort of thing in the pro routines)

I agree it doesn't look right for the pros to have big standout moves in the routines they do with their celebs as that stuff should be saved for the pro routines. However not fair to criticise Colin or any other pros for it when T&D choreograph the routines.

of course but it still came across a bit "look at me"

She was twirling it while doing a 360 degree turn (I won't insist on "spin") while moving across the ice. You're either missing part of the routine, or you're calling something stationary that wasn't. And your "few back xovers" is just a version of the incredibly minor point that she didn't twirl it while moving forward. (It's so minor a point that I still haven't bothered to check whether it's true.) Describing it as "the few back xovers", or "a brief moment", makes it sound like much less of the routine than it was.


I don't think anyone is making that confusion.

But 7.5 would be more reasonable. Louie was deliberately making a point by giving her 6.5, creating controversy.

Apparently flaring arms around is what Loius likes to see and regards as an expressive "performance". (His laughable explanation for Jorgie's 6.5 was that she didn't make large enough arm gestures.)

Well, Jorgie did more than trail it behind her and give it the occasional wiggle.


No one at a DOI level of skill would be able to use the prop to its full potential. No one used any of the props to their full potential or ever has in any series of DOI.

A reader would never guess from that that (for example) she was twirling the ribbon during the lifts.


The amount of technical content is down to T&D.


Whether it lacked emotion or sparkle is subjective opinion with which many disagree. "Sparkle" is a curious choice in any case for a routine that was, and was meant to be, fluid and graceful.

which is why Louie was perfectly in order to mark it how he saw it and in his critique