I think it was a mistake. I do not think he would give such a low mark at this stage in the contest for a routine that while it was boring and safe, had no obvious mistakes in it.

I don't think Robin's score was a mistake, I think he was told to change his score.

Had guy #1 and guy #2 been TOLD what to do, and then the judges marked them and said "well, guy #1 deserves to win because he did three and you only did one" how's that fair? Nobody has a say in the choreography they're given, or how many props they're given, so your example isn't necessary.

We'll see if Jorgie's skating is just as high as the others in the competition next Sunday, won't we?

I actually think the skills test is a brilliant idea. We can all compare them equally without all the opinions of "it's harder being a wo/man because...", "choreography is different so it's all subjective" etc. They'll all have the same routine and so we really will be able to compare them all properly. Bring it on I say


I highly doubt Robin changed his score after the boo's and a few "stares" from the production team.

I don't care what anyone says, the judges are much like actors. They come in on a Saturday, watch the performances, discuss with backstage crew what scores should be given to the skaters based on the performances they've just seen (give or take a few points depending on how well they do on the night/if they make a mistake), and they have what they're going to say to the skaters WROTE down on a piece of paper next to them.

It's all manipulated really, but as long as the leaderboard looks correct at the end, I don't really have a problem with it.

There's just no way Robin would change his score after receiving boo's and a couple of stares.

Don`t believe that for one second.

Didn't watch the YouTube link, I'll take your word for it

I still think he backtracked, it certainly seemed that way at the time. It looked a bit like "didn't think about it that way, Matt... better backtrack and 're-phrase' what I meant before I upset Chris & Jayne!"

I understand what he was saying about it not being "Jorgie" as the focus was on the ribbon, and so her performance suffered because of it, but 6.5? Really?

7.5 would be the absolute lowest that I would have given her for that performance, as I do see the point he was making besides the digs at the choreography. Even then though, a 7.5 is stingy for what she did. I guess it's all subjective though, as some on here agree with his 6.5 although I guarantee most of them are fans of Matthew/dislike the idea that she's "the chosen one".

why not watch the video to see what Louie actually said? .. lol

and he didn't backtrack .... when Matt spoke he actually asked the judged a question, he asked if they were marking on progression of perfection and Louie said he was marking on performance and he felt that Jorgie usually gives far more .. he then demonstrated how he felt she wasn't working the ribbon as artistically as she could and that the prop seemed to be making her more inward .... he never mentioned the choreograhy at all

I thought Jorgie's performance wasn't great tonight and thought she should have only been higher than Jen on the scoreboard .... and I'm not a Matthew fan so I'm not saying it for that reason

I wondered if he did mean that mark too and then changed his mind due to the reaction.

BUT also just had another thought giving him benefit of the doubt could he have had a sudden memory fail and forgotten they now mark out of 10 rather than 6 like they used to?? Only a longshot given its a while since they changed it but its a remote possability.

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And SD was ripped apart on here at the time for having the audacity to argue with T&D.

You're getting this wrong on two counts.

Actually, your description above is exactly how Tom Daley became a top contender at a young age - doing less difficult dives but without a single error, which helped him score higher than guys with higher start values and less clean execution.

Plus I think you'll find that the argument here is over whether the ribbon - as arguably the most difficult of the props - should have caused Jorgie's routine to have a higher 'start value' and thus improve her technical marks further, balancing out what some saw as mediocre execution.

Personally, I think Jorgie's been given higher marks and greater praise for doing things that bored me considerably more than the ribbon routine, but I'd agree that she didn't deserve marks as high as the others because their routines had more flair, dash and pizzazz last night.

So at this stage of the comp should they all be skating the same routine to show the different technique levels and then the comparisons the judges have to make would be fair? but then they wouldn't give their marks till everyone had skated.

Very boring for viewers so never gonna happen but I agreed with Louie last night so wasn't fussed that Jorgie was bottom of leaderboard.

I thought Louis correct in his assessment, she was boring last night, it was like waiting for something to happen. She does have grace and flair but there was a lack in the performance. Glad she didn't go out though.

I totally agree with you. x

Ask yourself this question 'If Jorgie's performance was first would her score be different? I think it would of been higher. But then the judges may have given the other contestants higher than Jorgie. But I do reckon the scores would have been different.

Her routine was a complete contrast to the others, so if she had gone first I think she may have got higher marks!

If I am being kind I would say it was a genuine mistake. However I suspect that two low scores would create a greater shock for the viewers/audience even if one was changed.

I found it all a bit odd. Schofield immediately threw to the judging panel without speaking to Jorgie and Matt. The judges all have ear pieces so obviously could hear the director, and the remarks in their ear for why they were going 'straight over to the judges'.

Found it mildly amusing that Robin was looking down and immediately said 'mine should be 8.5' and Louie chirped up, 'mine is correct', throwing his hands in the air as if to say there was no problem with the scoring mechanism. No way way he going to change his mark!!


Whatever, the programme is all over-dramatised ....... anyone would think that Simon Cowell was in charge of it!

As for Matt not being amused ..... who can blame him.

Choreography given to them by T & D, we should almost go down the route of two marks being given.

T & D marked on their choreography skills, and the mark for the skaters on how they performed their choreography.


The ribbon was the most difficult prop, however what do I know, I thought Chemmy and Shaun's routine was the most entertaining and the best of the night, and they got dumped out of the comp.

I would not be surprised if the low initial score from Robin along with Louis's low score was intended to create more drama. I would not be surprised either to learn that to have Jorgie at the bottom of the leader board was all planned.

The may top the table for wild conspiracy theories. He was genuinely puzzled because he punched in 8.5. It was either a mis-keyed entry or a technical glitch - you could hear the production crew scrambling in the background to correct it.

Really?


I couldn't hear anything, but a confident and possibly pre-rehearsed Schofield throwing to the judges.

He asked a very important question: were they being marked on how well they did the routine, or on how much progress they'd made?

With judges marking any random way they like, it's impossible for T&D to know what sort of routine to devise or for the celeb and partner to know whether they're doing something that might give them good good marks or whether they're wasting their time.

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BTW, I'm a bit shocked that people think Robin meant to give 5.5 but changed his mark because the producers told him to or because of the crowd response.

If people have so little respect for the judges -- even for Robin -- and think they are so lacking in integrity, how can DOI have an credibility?

Why would they want to create "shock" or "drama" that made the show look ridiculous and will do it more damage in the longer term than it could help?

And why would the likes of Robin be so lacking in professionalism and integrity as to go along with such "plans"?

That might make sense if Jorgie picked what was in her routines. But she doesn't.

And we know T&D don't always give the celebs all the skating they can manage.

That is simply not true.

She did not only skate in a straight (or even gently curved) line when keeping the ribbon moving in the air.

I'm not surprised people think the routine was poor when they don't remember what was in it.


He also said it was all about the ribbon and nothing happened, which certainly seems to have something to do with the choreography.

Katarina's also made little sense, since she thought the number of props was important and that the others' props were more integrated into the routines, and then that the judges expected more from Jorgie because of the first week, which made it seem the mark was because of what she'd done on the night.

The average on the app was 9 and a quarter of the people gave it 10. So a lot of people disagreed with the marks, which suggests it couldn't have been all that dull a routine.