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Old 13-03-2012, 20:54
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I really don't like Three as a company, but I don't like to see people posting incorrect facts in these forums.
The above was qualified with fact - NOT!

Anyway enough nonsense....this thread needs to return to it's purpose so time to let others respond with their opinions re the Ofcom news if they can be bothered wading through the pointless personalistaion posted. Then again perhaps that is the intension.
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Old 13-03-2012, 20:59
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Negative comments already via Vodafone!

"It comes as a surprise that the regulator is now considering giving the largest player in the market permission to use its existing spectrum for 4G services before the rules for the auction have even been concluded or it has divested spectrum as required by the European Commission," a spokeswoman said.

"We seriously doubt that consumers' best interests will be served by giving one company a significant head start before any of its competitors have a clear path to 4G."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17355399


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Why can't other providers use their existing 2.5G spectrum for 4G?
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:00
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Why can't other providers use their existing 2.5G spectrum for 4G?
They can, Ofcom have said they would probably allow Voda & O2 to do the same. O2 are already using some of theirs for 3G.

Vodafone are just trying to delay the entire 4G roll out so that they can continue to invest as little as possible into their network. It's atrocious that they're trying to claim that they are acting in customers best interests.
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:01
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Why can't other providers use their existing 2.5G spectrum for 4G?
Because it's largely in use for 2.5G I think, with some 3G being used on 900Mhz. They would have to cut back on 2G services and capacity in order to do it. Remember 50% of users are still on 2G, so I just don't think they have the spectrum to do large scale LTE at 900Mhz.

If they did they wouldn't need the new frequencies and they wouldn't have to spend all the money at the up coming auctions.
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:08
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However, considering that Three are now turning an annual profit, have found their marketing 'niche', are growing quickly, and has the prospect of grabbing some decent 800Mhz spectrum in the near future, then it makes absolutely no sense for HWL to sell at this stage.
Er - how many of the 9 years they have been in business have they turned a profit and how does that compare to the investment made to obtain it?

A prospect of grabbing some 850MHz spectrum (or 2600MHz maybe, or EE's surplus 1800MHz?), all are going to require further investment and meanwhile the others have spectrum to refarm. Not a great gamble really when as a company you have 1/3rd of the customers of the others and about 20% of those are 'dissatisfied' compared with 1/2 that volume who state the same about the competition.

EE's move on 1800MHz LTE could be the thing that makes HWL think seriously about how they can salvege something from their UK 3G folly.

Ofcom supported 3 for years as a new disruptive entrant. Now with EE things have changed. They are powerful and compete with two other hard competiors, the disruption is now happening between the big three and the 1800MHz move by EE questions the need for a fourth disruptor. Just an opinion but I think recent developments have changed the market from what it was in the last few years.
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:10
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The above was qualified with fact - NOT!

Anyway enough nonsense....this thread needs to return to it's purpose so time to let others respond with their opinions re the Ofcom news if they can be bothered wading through the pointless personalistaion posted. Then again perhaps that is the intension.
(several decent on topic posts with sensible discussion)

Er - how many of the 9 years they have been in business have they turned a profit and how does that compare to the investment made to obtain it?

<snip>... how they can salvege something from their UK 3G folly.
I thought you wanted to return on topic, rather than continue your off topic bashing of the Three network?
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Old 13-03-2012, 21:21
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I thought youwanted to return on topic, rather than continue your off topic bashing of the Three network?
The stalking and personalisation continues....... complete with the usual labelling agenda. Just what a forum needs to encourage intellegent disussion!

Anyway, the points have been made re the changes in the market over th last couple of years. Things have changed because of the creation of Everything Everywhere and they are now flying the flag and taking the lead in delivering the next mobile network technology. That is significant and will have implications for all the others bringing better communications to customers faster and cheaper and that is what matters to most.
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