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Pros to be axed from Strictly!
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olivej
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by tawny:
“I would like to see Kristina go - she is big headed”

what complete and utter waffle!!!

Kristina is the least big headed person I have met in a very long time - she is a complete sweetheart, very grounded and very down to earth
Steve9214
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“Would love Erin to either replace Tess, or, more ideally, leaving Claudia to take that job, have her replace Alesha. Allow Anton to keep his place on the show in a Bruce type form, and give them both their American Smooth/Quickstep/Foxtrot in the final show like when Alesha and Bruce did their dance? If they want to replace them with newer fresher dancers I'm ok with that, but I'd like them both to stay.”

Interesting points - but my mind starting racing about other "couples" previously mentioned -could they replace Bruce and Tess ?

Anton & Erin
Vincent and Flavia
James and Ola
Brendan & Natalie

Personally I think the last one could actually work.
Natalie would be excellent doing the "backstage" thing, and Brendan could probably be a good host.

Although Vincent and Flavia - so charming - but would that be too much Italian passion on one stage ? (inc Bruno)

James and Ola? Not really

Anton & Erin would be close to standard of Bruce & Tess, with someone who knows about dance doing the interviews.

Stupid thought - not worth its own thread, but thought I'd throw it out there LOL
peeve
20-03-2012
Bearing in mind that this report was in the Daily Fail and therefore an idle bit of speculation to fill a few column inches, there's no harm in wondering which of the pros will be returning for the next series.

I suspect most of us on this forum are as interested - if not more interested - in the pros as in which celebs are picked. But the great majority of Strictly viewers couldn't care less. In a recent episode of 'Pointless', people were asked to name any dancer who had appeared in the last series of Strictly. Only three names were not mentioned at all and were therefore considered pointless - Pasha Kovalev (fair enough, as new boy); Robin Windsor (which surprised me); and Flavia Cacace (which totally surprised me).

I believe that certain pros' popularity may be their downfall. For the BBC, nobody is bigger than the show and I would bet that Ian, Matt, Darren and Lilia were dropped because they were too popular. On the other hand, I think others were dropped because they just didn't appeal to the GBP at all - Nicole, Hayley and Jared spring to mind.

So, if you want to continue as a pro dancer on Strictly - be good, but not too good. If anybody is replaced, I'd put my money on Anton and Erin, but that might just be wishful thinking...
Jan2555*GG*
20-03-2012
Get rid of Aliona and replace her with Anna Krebuskaya who is a genuine red head with a non surly personality and a great choreographer who brings out the best in her celebs no matter how good or bad they are.
Veri
20-03-2012
I thought the previous round of changes made the show worse, so I fear this round will continue the trend.
Mystical123
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“Interesting points - but my mind starting racing about other "couples" previously mentioned -could they replace Bruce and Tess ?

Anton & Erin
Vincent and Flavia
James and Ola
Brendan & Natalie

Personally I think the last one could actually work.
Natalie would be excellent doing the "backstage" thing, and Brendan could probably be a good host.

Although Vincent and Flavia - so charming - but would that be too much Italian passion on one stage ? (inc Bruno)

James and Ola? Not really

Anton & Erin would be close to standard of Bruce & Tess, with someone who knows about dance doing the interviews.

Stupid thought - not worth its own thread, but thought I'd throw it out there LOL”

Originally Posted by peeve:
“In a recent episode of 'Pointless', people were asked to name any dancer who had appeared in the last series of Strictly. Only three names were not mentioned at all and were therefore considered pointless - Pasha Kovalev (fair enough, as new boy); Robin Windsor (which surprised me); and Flavia Cacace (which totally surprised me).”

I saw that as well - was convinced that Natalie, Aliona and Katya would be pointless (particularly as surnames were required as well!), but no. I could understand Pasha due to not many people knowing his surname, could also understand Robin as I personally don't think he's made much of an impact on the show, but was shocked to see Flavia there as I thought she and Vincent were among the more popular pros and recognised pros - maybe it was her surname that people didn't know, but it is a bit strange!

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“I believe that certain pros' popularity may be their downfall. For the BBC, nobody is bigger than the show and I would bet that Ian, Matt, Darren and Lilia were dropped because they were too popular. On the other hand, I think others were dropped because they just didn't appeal to the GBP at all - Nicole, Hayley and Jared spring to mind...”

I think that's right to a certain extent, but nonetheless Anton is still there and he's probably the most well-known of them all! Likewise I'd say most people could name Brendan, but very few would name the likes of Natalie or Katya. So there are obviously other factors in play as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ian return this year if they get a tall female celeb.

Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Get rid of Aliona and replace her with Anna Krebuskaya who is a genuine red head with a non surly personality and a great choreographer who brings out the best in her celebs no matter how good or bad they are.”

I think that's a little harsh. Why should hair colour make a difference? Ola and Kristina are not natural blondes yet I don't see you saying they should be replaced by natural blondes! Hair colour has nothing to do with dancing ability.

Secondly, have you met Aliona? If you have, then the personality comment would be fair if that's how you perceive her from experience (it's how I view another couple of pros as I have met them), but if you haven't, then that's just as bad as the poster above who called Kristina big-headed - no-one can make any personality allegation unless you're speaking from experience. If you think she comes across as surly, then say so, but please don't state it as fact when it isn't.

And to say Aliona doesn't bring out the best in her celebs good or bad is also quite harsh as she's a) got to the final, b) won and c) had a less-talented celeb who nonetheless went too soon - the same could be said of Kristina with Goldie, Erin with Rory and many others besides. Aliona seems to me to get picked up on one bad choreographical decision a lot more than most...
olivej
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Get rid of Aliona and replace her with Anna Krebuskaya who is a genuine red head with a non surly personality and a great choreographer who brings out the best in her celebs no matter how good or bad they are.”

what on earth has hair colour got to do with anything its clear you dont like Aliona but your post is really harsh!
Jan2555*GG*
20-03-2012
You've both misunderstood me sorry. ... I only mentioned the hair because Aliona was asked to change her hair to red in series 8 so the producers obviously wanted a red head. The rest I don't apologise for.
*Topaz*
20-03-2012
Does anyone know if Katya was asked to change her hair colour or was it her own choice? I remember when she first started on SCD she was blond as she was in the film 'Take the Lead' - then in her second series she turned brunette - I think she looks gorgeous with both colours by the way but I was wondering if she too was asked like Aliona to change - because they already had enough blondes with Natalie, Ola, Kristina and Erin's hair seems to get lighter and lighter every series with her highlights.
Jan2555*GG*
20-03-2012
No I have never met Aliona but yes I find her surly. On ITT & when waiting for judges comments she often has an expression of 'whatever' on her face when she receives criticism, which I would describe as like a surly teenager.

I think she has yet to show us her choreography prowess. The routine she did for the pro girls last series wouldn't have looked out of place in a gentlemans club frankly.
nosilauk
20-03-2012
I think that decisions may be made regarding the pro's after a tentative celeb line up is decided.
Decisions will then be made around height and suitability etc.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were more singles added in for showmance potential.

Bear in mind most viewers are watching for the celebs not the professionals.
dancing-girl
20-03-2012
I love reading posts on this an other threads, the only down side is the let's "bash Aliona" posts!

I have not met her (I would love to) and find her to be a delight to watch and if she has an "attitude" that shows on her face (this is news to me) how do you know what she is thinking, are you an expert on neuro linguistic programming (NLP) English is not her first language and it could be that she is just taking it in.

It's a shame that Aliona get such a lots of stick. I think that Aliona worked very well with Harry and his QS was sublime.

Aliona made a mistake with one celebrity (so what) She has made up for it in the next series (Matt Baker) and more recently with Harry. Who would have thought that the winners of SCD dancing 2011 would also make a clean sweep on the tour by winning 30 out of the 41 shows in 2012. Matt also won 26 shows in 2011 with his amazing Samba and Tango.

If Aliona was axed from SCD so be it, but I think that there are other on the show are past their sell by date and the two Russia males and the lovely Aliona are setting the pace.
molo flapian
20-03-2012
I think I feel for anyone British/married to a Brit.
Doesn't look good for them.
And history says they don't do well in a Strictly cull.

I don't envy any of the dancers the worry this news is causing.
Best of luck to them all.
*Topaz*
20-03-2012
I don't dislike Aliona - so I can see it from both sides really - I find her frustrating and delightful in equal measure - I liked more of what she did with Matt than she did with Harry.

I really don't think she's in any danger of being axed for reasons that've been stated before - mostly because she's current champion.

I think the test for her will be what she can do if she gets a celebrity that's not naturally gifted - and I really do hope the producers play fair and assign her one if she's back this year - you can give a natural and popular celeb daring choreo and let your imagination run wild and still get voted through week after week but it's risky game to play with someone not so natural like she did with Rav which ultimately cost him his place.
yohinnchild
20-03-2012
I wonder if with Alesha gone, Matt will return.

I think her having been his partner may have meant she had a conflict of interests so may be the reason why he got a week 1 exit in series 7 and was then swiftly axed. He must be on good terms as he did return for the christmas special etc.
petertard
20-03-2012
Aliona is defending champion and a major asset/ratings winner.
Stockingfiller
20-03-2012
Is Aliona herself a major ratings winner ? I think that she's had two excellent partners in the last two years and that many of the votes were for them and of course the partnership, rather than just for Aliona.
I'm not knocking her though. I think that the pro dancers have a tough enough time as it is.
*Topaz*
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Aliona is defending champion and a major asset/ratings winner.”

Strictly was a successful ratings winning show before Aliona came along All the pros are assets to the show not just Aliona - they all have their strong points and weak points even my beloved Flavia and Vincent.

And as has been said before a major part of Aliona's success has been her luck in partners for the past 2 series.
virgo48
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by petertard:
“Aliona is defending champion and a major asset/ratings winner.”

Personally I don't think any of the 'new' girls (Kristina, Aliona, Katya, Natalie) should be replaced before Erin, Flavia or Ola - the longer serving girls, but I would not single out any of them as a "major asset/ratings winner". Aliona has been extremely lucky; if she'd been partnered with Dan, Rory or Audley, she would most likely have been one of the 1st out last season.
fatskia
21-03-2012
I think the pros are not a major problem for the show. Nearly all of them will do a good job with a good celebrity. Gavin could have been seen as a poor celebrity, but Katya and Gavin were entertaining and maybe were 'manouvred' out of making the final. Same with Flavia and Russel and Anton and Nancy - no great dancing but entertaining for a while.
They do need to keep the show fresh though. Some of that can be the celebrities, but the pros also have to be imaginative, controversial and entertaining - to give the judges something to work with.

Last year there wasn't such a good selection of celebrities, the VT's were generally dire and there weren't a lot of really good pro dances. The show is fairly close to the right format now and the key things IMO are the celebrities and matching the pros and celebrities correctly.
lynxmale
21-03-2012
I still say they should use mud wrestling to decide it. Producers, why don't you listen?
Angela F
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by TheAuburnEnigma:
“Well looking at the age range last series (I might be wrong on some of these but think I have most of them right):

Under 30s: Harry, Chelsee, Holly
30-40: Jason, Alex, Robbie, Dan
40-50: Audley
Over 50: Anita, Russell, Edwina, Rory, Lulu, Nancy

I would have said about 3 per age group was correct, but I'm surprised at the amount of over 50s - they made up nearly half of the line-up.

As for younger celebs, it is usually the younger ones that get to the latter stages - the oldest winner we have had was Chris Hollins who was 39 when he won in 2009. If I got )Jason's age right (I don't think I have, I thought he was either late 30s or early 40s then all of the top 6 would have been under 40. Pamela in 2010 was the oldest finalist ever.

I'd like to see more of the 30-40 age group, as they have given us some of the best celebs - Colin Jackson, Mark Ramprakash, Austin Healey, Tom Chambers (think he was just about in his 30s, possibly Jill Halfpenny as well), Zoe Ball etc etc

As for pros:

Brendan's the bad boy turned good, "rent a pro" certainly hasn't done him any harm, I would be shocked and disappointed if he went as I think he's one of the best professionals there.

Artem is known for innovative choreography (a bit like Aliona but his is generally liked more) but he has been quite lucky with his celebs and from what I've heard he was good on the tour with Nancy so would like to see what he does with a "dud" - will the choreography still be exciting? Also, I could see him leaving of his own accord if he keeps picking up an injury every series. I don't think he'd be axed.

Pasha has done really well for his first series, some great choreography there, but like Artem sometimes I feel that he tries to push his partners a bit too hard. Nevertheless, he's proven quite popular I think so he'd be safe.

Vincent - master of AT but pretty good at every dance, and although his choreography isn't memorable as such, he does tend to do quite well with his celebs. The only reason I could see him leaving would be due to MT, but I shouldn't imagine that would be a problem.

James, Anton and Robin I think are in the danger zone - I feel Robin should be given one more series with a younger, better contender to see how he does. He managed to get Patsy and Anita to around 6th/7th in his 2 series so I think he's done well. He's not as memorable as Artem or Pasha but then there hasn't been a possible showmance angle like there has been with the other 2. James, although I think he's a good teacher and does tend to get the best out of his celebs, I feel he's a pale imitation of former bad boy Brendan and people don't seem to like him as much as they did Brendan in the earlier days. Think he could be going. Anton just isn't up to the Latin, bless him. I actually think he could be a potential replacement for Len, but I doubt he'll be going just yet.

Of the girls, I think Aliona, Natalie and Flavia will be safe. Kristina is in the bubble and I reckon that if she hadn't had Jason last series she would be toast. I think her choreography has saved her from the axe. Katya is like Robin in that she hasn't had a contender as such, so I would also give her one more series to prove herself. Erin like Anton isn't as good at the Latin, but she is the ballroom queen and does usually get her celebs quite far in the competition, I can only see her going if Anton does. Ola is who I think should go, some of her choreography has been great but the Latin stuff tends to be the same thing every time and by now it's like we've seen it all before.”

Jason was born in June 1968 which means he was 43 last birthday.
TheAuburnEnigma
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by Angela F:
“Jason was born in June 1968 which means he was 43 last birthday.”

I did think I'd got it wrong, but he does look young for his age tbh. He looks younger than Audley
afterthoughts
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by TheAuburnEnigma:
“Hmm, iirc, the first "shake-up" happened after series 7, with Darren/Lilia/Ian/Matt leaving (forgive me if I've forgotten anyone)

Here's how many series everyone has done:

Brendan - 9
Anton - 9
Erin - 9
James - 6
Ola - 6
Vincent - 6
Flavia - 6
Kristina - 4
Natalie - 3
Aliona - 3
Katya - 3
Artem - 2
Robin - 2
Pasha - 1

Ian, Lilia and Darren went after doing 6 series each, Matt went after 4 I think. Of the pros, I think James & Ola will be gone (they can only have one bad boy and that is Brendan). Vincent is an outsider possibility (I think if push came to shove, they'd pick Flavia over him). Robin and Katya haven't had many chances tbh, but out of the 2 I'd pick Katya to go.

^^ That's if it is 4/5 pros axed btw, which I don't think it will be. 3 at the most.”

Lest we forget Brian Fortuna 2
TheAuburnEnigma
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by afterthoughts:
“Lest we forget Brian Fortuna 2”

I thought he left on his own accord to do BTF rather than being sacked?
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