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An amazing result for The Voice, really. Putting aside the minutae of the BGT comparison, the simple fact that BBC One have a brand new show thats grown for three consecutive weeks and is now pushing 10 million viewers, is remarkable. To be honest, I don't see anything revolutionary in the show itself - though it's clearly very well made, with lots of money behind it, and has benefitted from an incredible PR job. I figured the hype of launch couldn't possibly be carried through (and it hasn't, really) but clearly the show itself has locked in the viewers and is ticking plenty of boxes for them. The next phase might be difficult, and I suspect BGT's usual growth for the finals stage will overwhelm it in the "war", but BBC One couldn't have wished for anything better from a first series.
Danny Cohen must be an incredibly happy man just at the moment. Whether you like the idea of another singing show or not, it is to his credit that he invested so decisively and resisted any temptation to half-cook the show in the same way I suspect many of his predecessors might. His channel still has problems that I was talking about just a few days ago, but having turned out two mega hits (The Voice and Call the Midwife) in the space of three months, he's certainly making his impact now his own commissioned shows are getting to air. |
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I'm surprised Voice beat Talent. I expected both shows to drop after the disappointing soap ratings on Friday night.
Wasn't So You Think You Can Dance? under 4m by week three of its series last year? I know it was under 3m by the end! The BBC will be delighted with Voice. Their entertainment department must have been at a very low ebb after Dance series two, and I expected them to balls Voice up, too. |
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With you saying 2010 I take it that it was the Katie Waissel being saved thing that was the final straw?
I think in a few ways ITV are quite lucky that The Voice is against Britain's Got Talent instead of The X Factor. Aside from the obvious reason that TXF is another singing contest and BGT is much broader, I've always thought that BGT is a less hostile show than TXF. There isn't the sense of exploitation that TXF occasionally has at the auditions, particularly this year with David Walliams on the panel (and McIntyre last year) who tends to lighten the mood. BGT feels like a celebration whereas XF can occasionally feel like humiliation. It's a much lighter show than The X Factor and is more upbeat (having Ant and Dec really helps them there). Even the banter on the judging panel is good natured between Walliams and Cowell, whereas there was clearly genuine dislike between The X Factor judges last year. It's just a more positive show, I think, and ITV should at least be pleased that it isn't TXF against The Voice (and that BGT has significantly upped its game this year to go against it). For what it's worth, BGT still remains a firm favourite amongst other members of my family. They rate Walliams in particular very highly. Not so keen on the return of Cowell interestingly. But both have helped, as I don't believe last year's panel was anywhere near strong enough to cope with The Voice. Through the panel changes, BGT isn't looking as tired as it might have done opposite The Voice. And from what I've read the arrival of the new kid on the block has encouraged them to step it up from a production P-O-V too, proving that competition really is healthy. |
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Danny Cohen must be an incredibly happy man just at the moment.
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But thats the problem.
I don't mean out of the box hits like The Voice. Fact is BBC has a number of decent ratings they can rely on. ITV? I think Take Me Out definetly, and Harry Hill was once upon a time. But the rest is cheap filler. ITV don't have things like Casaulty, I don't think that can be used as a criticism of BBC! And it has been their LE department thats had 10's of flops in the last 12 months alone. So obviously thats where they are looking to find some consistent hitters. |
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Jut as it highlights a short attention span to ignore the fact that The Voice has grown each week to the tune of more than a million viewers since the debut episode. This is despite the continued clash with Britain's Got Talent and the fact that it was airing over the Easter weekend this week. You don't perhaps think that people are looking at the three weeks of The Voice's ratings and judging that it has built up impressive momentum and word of mouth and this week not simply narrowed the gap with Britain's Got Talent but for intents and purposes made it non-existent.
I don't believe that anybody (except perhaps Robbie) has declared that Britain's Got Talent is dead and indeed its been pointed out by many that a drop over the Easter weekend was to be expected (which only serves to make The Voice's increase even more impressive). But frankly it is absurd to look at this weeks numbers and the numbers from the past two weeks and not praise the performance of The Voice which has consistently beaten the majority's expectations of it. ![]() Quote:
I still cannot understand this ITV obsession with the Keith Lemon character particularly not in regards to finding him a prime time Saturday night vehicle. He's just completely wrong for this kind of slot and for this kind of show. If they really are determined to get him onto ITV1 then I continue to think their best option for success is to give him a chat show and stick it on after the watershed. Lemonaid is a show Harry Hill would be perfect for. I'm not sure Keith Lemon is going to become a big primetime draw. Not with this show anyway. This Lemonaid had no fizz.
What I find particularly frustrating about all of this though is that they've had Harry Hill under contract for a good few years now – why have they not been developing shows for him in this kind of slot? He's already proven popular with the audience that's there with TV Burp so why didn't they try and find him a second format? That in turn would have reduced the number of TV Burp episodes they were churning out each year which probably would have extended its life cycle considerably. |
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Danny Cohen must be an incredibly happy man just at the moment. Whether you like the idea of another singing show or not, it is to his credit that he invested so decisively and resisted any temptation to half-cook the show in the same way I suspect many of his predecessors might. His channel still has problems that I was talking about just a few days ago, but having turned out two mega hits (The Voice and Call the Midwife) in the space of three months, he's certainly making his impact now his own commissioned shows are getting to air.
I'm still a firm believer that Casualty could be doing 6 million if it were a controlled run across the Summer (or anywhere quite frankly, just make it 'a series'). One of the things thats gone a bit unnoticed is a few not so great ratings for dramas on BBC One. But generally hes not had any FLOPS - just things that could do better if handled a bit more with care; and along side some big hits. Hes certainly ballsy. The Voice was his big bet. I do think BGT moving earlier works in his favour though ![]() As others have mentioned both shows are helping one another (same reason Strictly/X Factor do well together then less well together, no matter who wins overall). And then ofc hes got a run of later months with NO BGT! Hes a happy bunny atm. Very happy. |
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It gives him a lot of backng now to look closer at BBC One's other problems as well.
I'm still a firm believer that Casualty could be doing 6 million if it were a controlled run across the Summer (or anywhere quite frankly, just make it 'a series'). One of the things thats gone a bit unnoticed is a few not so great ratings for dramas on BBC One. But generally hes not had any FLOPS - just things that could do better if handled a bit more with care; and along side some big hits. Hes certainly ballsy. The Voice was his big bet. I do think BGT moving earlier works in his favour though ![]() As others have mentioned both shows are helping one another (same reason Strictly/X Factor do well together then less well together, no matter who wins overall). And then ofc hes got a run of later months with NO BGT! Hes a happy bunny atm. Very happy. |
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That's true, but I think they're trying to get middle hitters on the cheap which simply isn't going to work.
Even R/B is working more as a pilot for series 2. Quote:
I think ITV1 has a bigger Light Entertainment base than BBC One does, but BBC One has a couple of extra soaps and The One Show plus their documentaries tend to hold up much better. Look at Land of the Lost Wolves - many people called the rating for BBC One 'poor' but if it had been on ITV it would've been deemed a stable if unspectacular figure.
Tbf to ITV this is part of a narrative thats built on them since last summers shocking performance.If they'd done those figures against a Benidorm on BBC One, I'd probably say 'fair enough' no matter their situation. In fact I thought it did alright for BBC considering. But I do take your point. ITV just seem to either be big figures or very poor. There only middle ground show atm is Take Me Out. They really could do with an Ant and Dec vehicle, but their appeasing Cowell with R/B atm (I think!) (oh I do think the BBC are being coy with Who, for the sole reason that whilst they are thinking about a run straight into Christmas, they'll put it against R/B if they see the oppurtunity!) - and personally I like their shows. They just need to stop looking for a 'format'. Have a different quiz/competition every week. It'll still get viewers and they can identify what people like, as oppose to getting stuck with dud formats! Quote:
This Lemonaid had no fizz.
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An amazing result for The Voice, really. Putting aside the minutae of the BGT comparison, the simple fact that BBC One have a brand new show thats grown for three consecutive weeks and is now pushing 10 million viewers, is remarkable. To be honest, I don't see anything revolutionary in the show itself - though it's clearly very well made, with lots of money behind it, and has benefitted from an incredible PR job. I figured the hype of launch couldn't possibly be carried through (and it hasn't, really) but clearly the show itself has locked in the viewers and is ticking plenty of boxes for them. The next phase might be difficult, and I suspect BGT's usual growth for the finals stage will overwhelm it in the "war", but BBC One couldn't have wished for anything better from a first series.
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Danny Cohen must be an incredibly happy man just at the moment. Whether you like the idea of another singing show or not, it is to his credit that he invested so decisively and resisted any temptation to half-cook the show in the same way I suspect many of his predecessors might. His channel still has problems that I was talking about just a few days ago, but having turned out two mega hits (The Voice and Call the Midwife) in the space of three months, he's certainly making his impact now his own commissioned shows are getting to air.
I think Danny Cohen could become one of the all time great BBC1 Controllers. His shows are starting to come through and many have worked also he shown some canny scheduling.He has Michael Grade's scheduling gene, he put Mrs Brown's Boys in primetime and that just exploded into a big hit. And he has Lorraine Heggessey's commissioning gene. Call The Midwife is his Doctor Who moment and The Voice is his Strictly Come Dancing moment. He commissioned The Inbetweeners and Skins at E4 & Being Human at BBC3. So he has form for greenlighting good shows. |
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BBC1s demographics are terrible though.
The BBC cannot be about ratings if it wants to survive. |
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BBC1s demographics are terrible though.
The BBC cannot be about ratings if it wants to survive. BBC does well in demographics. The Apprentice/Doctor Who (especially DW!)/The Voice (we'll need to see where it is growing though)/Merlin - I mentioned shows growing, this is increasingly doing better in the younger demos Shows like New Tricks are big raters cause they skew old. But the key word there is SKEW. It still does well across the board. Demographics only matter to the Beeb in terms of reaching everyone! They generally manage that. No idea what it is your talking about ![]() As if the BBC would become a commercial organisation and NOT change accordingly! |
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BBC1s demographics are terrible though.
The BBC cannot be about ratings if it wants to survive. |
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Does anyone have the ratings for yesterday's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory on ITV1?
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Yeah but Lemonaid was never commisioned to be risque.
I caught a bit of it last night and was shocked at how many in-jokes there were. Its like they think Keith Lemon is big and well known. He does amazingly for ITV2 - but thats for ITV2. They need to pull back and introduce the show. Overall it looked pretty dire, he seemed more like a pedophile who'd been given the early tea time slot. Thats not to be too harsh, its just his act didn't change and so he comes across as the dirty old weirdo from down the street. I just think ITV are failing to use him in any good way. The show itself didn't seem to work from the bits I saw, and felt more like a variety pilot. I think it'll be down next week. |
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Urgh i guess we'll have a day of each side adding +1's and peaks and HD ratings and catch ups and BBQ's to the argument. Yay.
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Excellent points there. I'd go along with pretty much all of that.
For what it's worth, BGT still remains a firm favourite amongst other members of my family. They rate Walliams in particular very highly. Not so keen on the return of Cowell interestingly. But both have helped, as I don't believe last year's panel was anywhere near strong enough to cope with The Voice. Through the panel changes, BGT isn't looking as tired as it might have done opposite The Voice. And from what I've read the arrival of the new kid on the block has encouraged them to step it up from a production P-O-V too, proving that competition really is healthy. Just caught up with The Voice and I'm getting into it. Surprisingly Jessie J is probably my least favourite of the 4 coaches, I find her slightly irritating. Will.i.am is great though and much better than I expected him to be. Tom Jones is a legend and is working surprisingly well with the others, whilst Danny is very good too. BBC1 have got this show very, very right. Let's hope they don't fumble it with the later stages. |
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BBC1s demographics are terrible though.
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The Voice's continued success should be a wake-up call for ITV: it can't continue to rely so heavily on Cowell's titles and needs other shows that can stand on their own, rather than being propped up by TXF/BGT.
This is the first time in 8 years that the BBC have found a format that, were it on ITV, would be a rival to BGT. And they've had to buy it from a Dutch company after it has been run all over the world. Strictly is big but for ITV, it wouldn't make the same kind of money as XF/SCD. So the fact for ITV is that there is a seriously limited pool of big formats they could put on a Saturday night. It just so happens that two of them are produced by one company. Quote:
Happy and relieved. I wonder how that spoof TV Controller account on Twitter is coping with the first three weeks of Voice ratings.
"8.7 million/ 36% share for Britain's Got Talent #beating ITV #crushingCowell #fu*king Fincham #becomingthenextDG" |
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This morning...
"8.7 million/ 36% share for Britain's Got Talent #beating ITV #crushingCowell #fu*king Fincham #becomingthenextDG"
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It's fair to say Simon Cowell won't be seen sporting any Adidas kit then, after their 20:12 ad break helped The Voice to victory last night.
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We know EastEnders has had a disappointing rating, when we get a "gap" update from Roscoe.
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Saturday 7th April Overnights
BBC One 19:00- The Voice UK: 9.54m (41.1%) * peak: 10.68m * 20:00-20:20: 10.0m ITV1 20:00- Britain's Got Talent: 9.43m (38.7%) , +1: 532k (2.3%) * peak (exc +1): 11.3m * peak (inc +1): 11.9m * 20:00-20:00: 6.3m 21:15- Take Me Out: 4.06m (18.6%) , +1: 235k (1.1%) |
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cylon is a bit unfair saying George never gives BBC1 credit for anything; when they air Panorama or fine art documentaries against ITV dramas he is positively effusive....
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Completely agree. This is the main strength of The Voice, the feel-good vibe and one they must focus on going forwards.
Cowell's shows got too nasty for me personally, hence me ditching them in 2010. They are good at what they do if you can turn a blind eye to it but they put ratings first and well-being of the contestants second, and after a while that becomes too uncomfortable to stomach. |
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You must remember those days of high brow Saturday night entertainment, which occured never
Blind Date v Noel's House Party was the height of high brow! Noel's House Party was the dog's danglies. I will not standby and let the House Party be mocked!
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