Deep danger here of reigniting a long-running debate in this thread

There's already one going on The Voice forum.

ok, why would someone who likes BGT the best, be watching the end of The Voice, when they could be watching BGT?

It would be like me watching the 2nd half of a Primeval episode, when I could be watching Doctor Who, when its more likely in that situation I would delay my viewing of Primeval, and watch it later in the evening.


its like he wrote that last bit just for us.

But if you're enjoying Primeval why would you switch over - even if you did prefer Doctor Who? When you'd be able to record Doctor Who or use a catch up device or watch it on iplayer? Once you've started watching something you may as well finish it if you're enjoying it.

In defence of LE commissioners, television is quite old and it's difficult to come up with a brand new format. BGT, for instance, has elements of Opportunity Knocks, New Faces, Michael Barrymore's My KInd Of People and The Gong Show about it. And Ant and Dec have been pretty open about the influence of Noel's House Party on Saturday Night Takeaway.

Record Doctor Who, and not watch it live, what madness is this? (actually I do both, i watch it live, and record it.

However I would do it because I like Doctor Who more than Primeval.

Dan Wootton blog on Voice v BGT
http://danwootton.tumblr.com/

So you would enjoy a show for 45 minutes and then switch sides instead of watching it to it's conclusion?

if I liked BGT the most, I would want to watch it live from the start.

I dont know why watching a favourite program live, is so hard for people to grasp.

I don't think I'd bother. If I was liking something on the other side I would watch the conclusion of that then catch up on the later show.

I'd agree if it was a live show but when it's just an audition package it doesn't seem to be that much of an issue how you watch the show.

I doubt this'll happen for me to be proven right or wrong, but I have the feeling that if The Voice and Britain's Got Talent clashed directly head to head The Voice's clash rating would decrease and BGT's clash rating would increase.

You could catch the conclusion later on the internet or on a recording. Or if it's a light entertainment programme it may be no hardship to miss the last quarter hour.

Yesterday my mum watched YBF at 7pm but switched over to DOND at 7.15 and didn't bother with the rest of YBF. No problem.

As The Voice is at the audition stage you wouldn't miss anything of great significence if you don't see the last twenty minutes.

I did the same with the first week of The Voice; watched 30 minutes then switched to TV Burp - but that's because I wasn't enjoying the former. I guess if people were watching The Voice as time filler before Britain's Got Talent then it makes sense for them to switch over; but if they're actively enjoying it they would be more likely to finish watching it and then catch up on the latter.

Look at the soap clashes. Emmerdale tends to lose against EastEnders when kept seperate yet is capabale of beating it when it clashes after a 30 minute headstart. If EastEnders had the headstart would Emmerdale still beat it...?

I wonder if it was my tweet to Cowell earlier that prompted his gritted teeth concession?

Is the "Danny" to whom he refers the pop nobody who is a Voice judge or the rival channel controller who has ensured Cowell's other crown jewel has also come off second best on Saturdays?

I'm starting to think that your hatred of The Voice was all a front, Robbie.

The shocks keep coming today!

So Cowell agrees with me then on the aggregation issue?

Top bloke.

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out if theres two popular shows which are similar, the programme being shown first will beat the other show head to head, especially with Sky+ and +1 channels around. Even I know and will admit that. But for The Voice to be in that position already is quite remarkable, I dont think anyone thought a month ago it would be getting 9.5million in week three and even beating BGT. And thats just the overnight ratings, consolidated ratings can be near 11million for it. I still laugh that Itv brought this all to themselves, if theyd scheduled Bgt at 8.20pm itd have been the top show every week and there wouldve been no one talking about the Voice beating it head to head .

I watched some of it last night. Even my lust for Jessie J isn't enough to keep me tuning in to a rather dull show that is a blatant rip off of the Cowellised talent show format.

He's being positive about The Voice!!

The problem is ITV can't move it now; it'd look like a retreat and the show can't really afford that - let's be rational for a moment, it still rated well.

I think the original idea was to try and force The Voice back as far as possible and it succeeded in getting it to start at 7pm. If they had scheduled it later then BBC One would've scheduled The Voice later and so on.

Talking of ITV and their struggles with LE formats, it seems that The One And Only Des O'Connor is less a celebration of Des's 80th birthday and 50 years in showbusiness and more a new edition of Des O'Connor Tonight. So Matt Lucas is a guest on the show not so much because he's a Des fan but because he happened to be on the chat-show circuit plugging his new TV show at the time of transmission.

Compare with the BBC's celebration of Bruce Forsyth's 80th birthday in 2008, where it's actually a programme about its star.

Maybe ITV are testing the water to see if they should bring back DOC Tonight for a series. If they're serious about doing more LE shows for weekday slots, they could have it planned for Wednesday at 8 or Friday at 9.

You too eh?

Jessie J is brilliant. Shes got everything, shes quirky, charming, good looking and shows her emotions. Great find for the show and I can see why Cowell wanted her(if that was the true case).
The judges do work well together, and with a set of judges comes the whole package of secondary gossip, press interest and who is in/out etc. Somewhat scary for the Beeb as judges have hardly been an issue in their other talent shows and they have only ever had one controversy-the ageism/Arlene thing.

Now there is an idea for a show title...........

I reckon it'll scrape the 3m mark if it's lucky. I wonder whether that result would scrap that particular dream.

Wootton, and I hope other users don't think am being too harsh here, is one of many snakes in the media. He'll slip into any bed he thinks will take him.

Hes hardly being positive. Ensuring he doesn't back it completly, and in fact scrapes the same muck off his wings by claiming it fell in other countries AGAIN, despite being untrue.

As any snake without a real bite he won't upset anyone.
Just try and make himself liked by those more powerful than him.

Pathetic man am afraid. Not much of a snake either, no venom to actually affect anything.
He uses 'peaks' when everyone knows their a stupid ****ing measurement. Like, co'mon now!


He wants exclusive content from ITV/BBC. I think he'll be disappointed as The Voice isn't the show to sell out its contestants to the likes of Wootton. That is all he wants. And a bit of ego too.

He won't last. These types come and go soon as they look at the wrong diva the wrong way.