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Pathetic rating for Titanic but worth mentioning that ITV themselves did not spend £11 million on it. That was the total budget that was split between the 3 sources of funding, meaning that ITV spend just under £3.7 million on the whole series, or just over £900,000 per episode. Obviously that's still very expensive but it's not as disastrous for ITV as some are making out (obviously they won't be happy with the ratings at all but they will have still made a profit on it).
Lacklustre night for ITV as a whole - Des O'Connor didn't do much and All Star Family Fortunes was never going to do well in such a random slot (it's been on Saturdays for the last 7 weeks!) that it was clearly thrown in at the last minute (it's back on Saturday next week!). Elsewhere solid as ever for BBC1 although Silent Witness was down quite a bit week on week. Celebrity Deal or No Deal did alright for C4 - obviously a shadow of its former self but it did better than most of the stuff C4 airs in that slot. OK for Once Upon A Time but it can't afford to fall much further from there (they'll be hoping for it to settle at 1.5m+ I reckon). Also interesting that BGT's ITV2 repeat beat The Voice's BBC3 repeat despite airing in the afternoon compared with The Voice's 7pm slot. Between that, the ITV1 repeat, +1, timeshift etc it's clear that BGT is still the most popular of the two talent shows. |
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You'll be able to see if you're right next weekend when ASFF moves to 7pm on Saturday.
Channel 4 is off the radar so much I'm not sure if that rating for Celebrity DOND is actually any good or not? |
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Indeed. But the royal documentary did perform very well, far exceeding my expectations. It certainly wouldn't have got that at 8pm on a weekday.
Next week's scheduling is nothing short of a joke though with Toy Story 2 far too early at 4pm, and Practical Magic getting the better slot leading in to OUAT. It should be the other way round to maximise ratings. |
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Heres a trivia question: when was the last time a brand-new programme on Itv1 got over 5million viewers without a Coronation St. or X Factor lead in? Discounting live sports or Titanics first episode. Outside of the already established reality shows, Itv1 new shows are incapable of getting 5million without the Coro St. or XFactor lead in.
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I'm still quite shocked that ITV abandoned its original plan to air Titanic over four nights from Thursday, April 12 (the day the ship set sail) to Sunday, April 15 (the day the ship sank), as that seemed like a great way to commemorate the sinking. Plus, Part 3 would have aired on Saturday, April 14 after Britain's Got Talent.
That's why I'm glad that ABC here in the US is airing Parts 1-3 on Saturday, April 14, quickly followed by Part 4 the next night. |
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If they had have done that, what would they have been showing over the last few weeks?
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The mistake ITV made with Titanic was in creating a four week series. Do we know why they chose this option and not a two hour one off which the drama only really sustains without the padding and repetition we thereby get?
I've avoided all spoilers. |
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I bet ITV will still commision Des O'Connor to do a series of shows for midweek filler, hoping that he can hold up at the 3m mark.
Interesting ITV2's afternoon repeat of Britain's Got Talent defeated BBC Three's evening repeat of The Voice. Maybe ITV1 should consider airing the original episodes at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon?
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We're stacking them and will watch in a one off two and a half hour or so session.
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Very bad for ITV, but abysmal for Titanic. With a budget of what it has, I'm sure ITV wanted at least 6.5m a week for it. Being half of what it should be getting is pretty embarrassing.
I'm still not convinced by this Mr Selfridge series either - I applaud the ambition of launching with a 10-part series rather than the usual six (or less) - but from the info so far there is nothing to suggest it'll be must see TV. |
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Abysmal for ITV. All Star Family Fortunes was also wasted there, should have been put up against The Voice - would have done higher than YBF and TV Burp did against it in my opinion.
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You'll be able to see if you're right next weekend when ASFF moves to 7pm on Saturday.
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Oh, believe me, Titanic is in a whole other league to Royal Bodyguard. One was a cheap and cheerful sitcom that just didn't work, the other was a lavish, megabucks, international drama, supposedly ITV's biggest new highlight of 2012, trailed since Christmas (the trailer itself featured in their festive programe highlights ffs!), and guaranteed 9-10m viewers if not more.
It is the biggest programming catastrophe of 2012, lets not underestimate the calamity of this for ITV and Fellowes.
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This is very true, TRB whilst a huge failure probably had quite a smallish budget... Titantic on the other hand...
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The budget isn't really an issue - it has been sold in so many countries that they've made their money before it even aired. It's the "opportunity cost" to ITV1 that's the issue - Sunday at 9pm is one of the best slots of the week and something better could have been put in its place.
I think the only big loss we've seen ITV make was probably from R/B (a very sore one I recall); but at the same time we have to remember there are day to day runnings of ITV PLC that ITV have to pay for. Adverts for example do not pay for themselves, neither does the cost of staff who are not included in 'budgets' but very much work on shows. Generally Titanic won't have been 'loss making' in a Budget VS Direct Profit basis, but certainly its not paid its way as another drama would have in the same slot. Which WILL mean that ITV are paying for future investments on a lower profit than the previous year. So Titanic overall is a dud, but ITV were very sensible to get a co-production set up considering the cost and risk. Without it this would be worse than R/B as its only 4 episodes. We shouldn't concentrate on the 'business' of these things, ITV made losses for years so we all know its not straight forward budget VS profit. But we don't know enough about the internal costs. [Although from press stories on the Beeb, we know their significant outgoings] It will mean that ITV look to capitalise more on in-house productions through ITV Studios though. Which I think would work very short term, and not be good for the industry. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17201427 This shows ITV don't care as much about their home overnights and more about those international sales. Titanic will be fine for them, if disappointing (a bigger problem is trust - Sky pay a ****ing fortune for HBO for a reason - quality; Titanic is well...not a good way to make your brand respected compared to lets say Hartswood's Sherlock - thats the bigger problem) |
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Pathetic rating for Titanic but worth mentioning that ITV themselves did not spend £11 million on it. That was the total budget that was split between the 3 sources of funding, meaning that ITV spend just under £3.7 million on the whole series, or just over £900,000 per episode. Obviously that's still very expensive but it's not as disastrous for ITV as some are making out (obviously they won't be happy with the ratings at all but they will have still made a profit on it).
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Do we know that the cost was split equally between the three? Or is this speculation? (Don't mean this to sound accusatory Score, genuinely intrigued to know and I haven't been able to find this info)
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Paying £1m for an hour of TV drama is the maximum any UK broadcaster can afford. ITV paid for 35% (£4m) of the costs of Titanic as its co-producer. Two funding partners came in: Germany's ZDF, and the US network ABC. Pegged to the centenary of the ship's sinking, 12 April, the drama was then sold to 86 countries.
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The project, once it had writer Julian Fellowes’ name attached, was then crucially kick-started by ITV’s backing, making a generous financial contribution of £3.8 million - a third of the total budget. One of many backers of the drama, ITV committed first, on a three-page treatment, long before the script was ready. The production credits for Titanic roll like a film - they list nine different sources of finance and support (although this is chiefly an Anglo-Hungarian-Canadian series) with subsidy from the Broadcasting Authority, Ireland, and the media programme of the European Union. The post-production editing, took place in Canada, benefiting from its tax credit system. It has been pre-sold to around 86 broadcasters, with ABC and Germany’s ZDF co-funders, such is the pull and urgency of the anniversary, meaning no one is going to lose out financially.
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ITV contributed around a third of Titanic’s £11m budget, leaving Vaughan to put together the remaining £7m. With a “lavish” sales brochure, he hit the road with Fellowes and Stafford-Clark. They secured a pre-sale with Quinn Taylor, ABC’s senior vice-president for movies, mini-series and acquisitions, and a co-production deal with Canada’s Sienna Films, before heading to Mipcom 2010, where Vaughan claims to have held 40 meetings in two days. Sources: Guardian, The Stage, BroadcastThe deal with ABC was an important piece in the jigsaw, argues Stafford-Clark. “Thanks to Simon’s persistence, he managed to get an American network to pre-buy it. As far as I know, this is the first UK drama the US has bought before it has aired since 1983 mini-series Kennedy.” Maybe ITV should read the script first before committing to a project next time. |
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Predictably terrible for Titanic. In many respects I think its a shame that this has turned out so badly for ITV because if nothing else the ambition of the project should be applauded. Its nice to see any broadcaster take the gamble on a big event piece of drama even if that drama turns out to be a complete dud. Quote:
The Royal Bodyguard slumped more sharply than Titanic, although as Robbie said earlier, Titanic costs a lot more and was trailed more. (although The Royal Bodyguard definitely should not have flopped the way it did - but it was crap)
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BBC Breakfast will launch from its new Media City Salford studios on Tuesday morning.
Lorraine Kelly will return to her show following her riding accident from next week. |
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Cowell pretending he's going to be 'nice' and complimenting The Voice is just another in his long line of PR scams, with the only objective of keeping himself in the news (which his little lapdog The Sun will happily assist in).
For Cowell to really change, he'd have to admit he has made sacks of cash plunging karaoke-type singers into oblivion whilst simultaneously helping to stifle originality and creativity in the music industry, and say he's going to stop. And that ain't gonna happen. Is it? While the Cowell talent shows have been a huge success for ITV1, their very success has turned people's stomachs now as viewers are starting to realise they are just disposable, forgettable Saturday night shows whose cancellation would barely raise a comment. I watched a 1970 Benny Hill special on ITV3 yesterday, I very much doubt we'll be watching a BGT repeat in 42 years time. |
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While the Cowell talent shows have been a huge success for ITV1, their very success has turned people's stomachs now as viewers are starting to realise they are just disposable, forgettable Saturday night shows whose cancellation would barely raise a comment.
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I watched a 1970 Benny Hill special on ITV3 yesterday, I very much doubt we'll be watching a BGT repeat in 42 years time.
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Fox have renewed Glee, Raising Hope and New Girl over the weekend. Some good news for Sky there. Not sure Channel 4 are going to pick-up the second season of New Girl though. Although they might want to try it as part of the E4 block instead. It was incredibly isolated on C4.
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Cowell's so desperate to get his shows in the news his loyal ally The Sun led with a headline about Danni Minogue last week, as if anyone is that bothered. Wonder if his shows go into a BB style decline, if The Sun will do to him what it did to BB, ignore it, or let the television critic royally rubbish TXF each week.
While the Cowell talent shows have been a huge success for ITV1, their very success has turned people's stomachs now as viewers are starting to realise they are just disposable, forgettable Saturday night shows whose cancellation would barely raise a comment. I watched a 1970 Benny Hill special on ITV3 yesterday, I very much doubt we'll be watching a BGT repeat in 42 years time. All Simon Cowell stories in the newspapers are bad for the heart - because of the very large pinch of salt they have to be taken with. |
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You are aware that BGT is on average up on last year?
I doubt we'll be watching a repeat of your favourite Big Brother either, or The Voice for that matter but as per usual it's only ITV's reality shows that seem to annoy you. BGT might be up, but I reckon TXF is starting to tank and don't be surprised if it goes at the end of its contract next year. |
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I doubt we'll be watching a repeat of your favourite Big Brother either, or The Voice for that matter but as per usual it's only ITV's reality shows that seem to annoy you.
And to be completely honest I don't think its impossible that some kind of 'Best of Britain's Got Talent' could land on repeat rotation. In theory there's a good variety show there. In fact why has Cowell never pitched something like that to ITV for their Christmas schedule? An old school variety show hosted by Ant & Dec and featuring some of the best talent from BGT over the years? |
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Fox have renewed Glee, Raising Hope and New Girl over the weekend. Some good news for Sky there. Not sure Channel 4 are going to pick-up the second season of New Girl though. Although they might want to try it as part of the E4 block instead. It was incredibly isolated on C4.
E4 seems to pretty much be the only home for US comedy at the moment. Am I right in thinking that they've got the "for life" rights to Big Bang Theory so Sky can't come knocking! |
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