What you mean...late April

I agree though. But the Beeb won't go too late...there other shows do rather fine. And The Voice is hardly struggling.
ITV should just move a bit and see what happens. And if The Voice moves, move back. See how the BBC like the idea of a major clash.

ITV must think we are all missing TV Burp so much, we have the Green Flag adverts on a loop for 30 minutes on a Saturday night.

Other emergency break down services are available, just none staffed by green ants, voiced by Harry Hill.

It's like I was saying a couple of days ago - ITV1 have little in way of support packages around their big shows at the weekends. The ratings are either sublime or ridiculous. In comparison BBC One have been able to axe Total Wipeout without too much being said. Can you imagine if ITV1 axed a show as stable as Total Wipeout? Some are wondering what they're going to do without TV Burp in the autumn and that wss barely managing 4m at the end.

I disagree with 'must see' to 'meh', though. People still want to see Britain's Got Talent - they're just not following it live which is a problem for a commercial broadcaster. But the people are bothering to catch up is a small crumb of comfort they can take out it. The show with the 'lead in' is always going to have a better chance of beating the programme starting cold turkey - you said it yourself.

It's hard to know the reason for the big decline last year, but I'd say TXF has definitely peaked now. No way will it hit the heights of 2010. The judges contributed to the decline, and it all started at the live shows really as the auditions rated excellently last year. As much as the panel did become fairly annoying last year - too much of a panel change could send things down further. I'd get rid of Kelly and keep everyone else.

No it hasn't as people are still tuning in after The Voice has finished in as many numbers as they always have done.

Most people can't be bothered setting up recorders/time shifting etc on a Saturday night so will obviously finish what they are watching and then tune into BGT part way though, unlike a drama what you've missed doesn't effect the part that you watch.

Alesha for Kelly? I wouldn't be surprised if Britain's Got Talent is something of an audition stage for her as much as the acts on stage.

The Voice can't end after 8.30** because MOTD can't start after 10.30.....

8.30 In It To Win It
9.20 Casualty
10.10 News
10.30 MOTD

**(A-hem!)

I never thought of that - But thats not a bad idea at all actually. Alesha would work well on TXF with Gary, Tulisa and Louis I reckon.

Which happened even though BGT/TXF generally starts at 8pm every year thesedays, so the papers will go with whatever angle they want.

I'd love to see BBC1 schedule longer episodes of The Voice and finishing at 9pm, get rid of the Lottery game show to make this happen. Actually it might happen for the live shows. What would Itv do to BGT if The Voice airs until 9pm?

At least with ITV you had a million chances to take a leak.

I don't see the need of a 50 minute quiz show when BBC One have big hitters on at the same time. They should cut them down to 10 minutes which would give them a bit more flexibility in the schedule and air the quiz shows over the quieter periods where Saturday nights are lacking a big hitter - at the moment quarter one and quarter three.

Well they will still be deciding how to schedule the live shows

Not going to happen at the moment. BBC have still got another seven episodes of In It to Win It to air. When that finishes we got twelve episodes of Secret Fortune.

The DS ratings report says "Silent Witness still comfortably ahead of Scott & Bailey" but including +1 it's 5.47m to 5.27m in SW's favour. And I agree that +1 is pertinent here as it would seem that a significant chunk of viewers have used the service to view two programmes with heavy audience overlap.

Its all hypothetical and will never happen.
BBC would have to have 2 hour long episodes of The Voice, its unnecessary and would affect their ratings/quality.

But if it DID happen? 7 o'clock start for BGT I suspect or similar.

The Voice would be on too long though, and ratings would suffer, benefiting ITV. So they might just stick with 8 and watch The Voice struggle to hold its audience.

If The Voice doesn't 'increase' but 'shift' ITV will move BGT to start first. I think ITV need to realise giving Strictly/The Voice those early starts is a bad thing and gives BBC too much of an advantage, but I think the Beeb knows this now and is unlikely to move for any force thrown at them.

In fairness. Last Saturday's In It to win It last still beat every show on ITV apart from Britain's got Talent.

They could delay the 7 remaining episodes of In It To Win It to the summer? Its normally shown in the summer isnt it.


The live shows definately could be 2 hours between 7 oclock and 9 oclock. Theres gonna be 10 contestants in the first live show, thatll take about 90 mins of performances, then have Cheryl Coles massive comeback performance and then the results which would be 2 hours altogether. SCD was 2 hrs last year for some episodes, as could the Voices live shows.

When was the last time BBC One reacted to ITV1 kicking up a stink about anything? They showed their hand when they started to schedule Strictly beyond 8pm so it's no surprise they followed suit with The Voice. Even if it was clear that BBC One had instigated the clash (and to be honest, as they're encroaching the 8pm hour it can be argued they have anyway) they wouldn't have done anything about it.


And now they've backed themselves into a corner. I don't think they believed The Voice would be the hit it is and it's completely wrong footed them. If they move Briatin's Got Talent completely out of the way it'd just generate more headlines. A half hour clash would probably lead to The Voice winning the night.

I think they should move the show to 8.15pm and then add 15 minutes to the end of the show to be sure it wins the night. There can't be too many headlines about that as the gap would remain the same as before.

Even if BBC1 did move it later - and I'm not convinced that they would - ITV still come out better providing they can reduce the overlap at all. 8.15pm has never been too late for BGT in the past. Series 5 launched at 8.20pm, IIRC.


It won't - they'd need at least 16 contestants to do a 2 hour show (probably more). It's equivalent to more than 2.5 hours on commercial TV (12 minutes of ads an hour plus trailers & competition nonsense) and that doesn't factor in the good few minutes wasted on "after the break" and "welcome back" that come with having adverts.

IITWI serves a purpose, performing decently against BGT and keeping Casualty mostly out of the firing-line.


Wasn't there a massive gap in the middle of the last series of IITWI?

ITV's scheduling was so poor BBC One could've probably aired back to back episodes of Don't Scare The Hare followed by Empire and still have that feat to their name.

Last year SCD was 1hour50minutes for episodes which 12 contestants so 10 contestants were dancing in 90mins. Same as The Voice, get 10 contestants singing in 90 minutes and then 30 minutes for Cheryl Coles massively hyped comeback performance and the results.

But this is where ITV have to be careful - if they move Britain's Got Talent too early, BBC One will simply move The Voice later into the preferable 8pm hour.

It'll be interesting to see where BBC One schedule The Voice once Britain's Got Talent has finished with no Match of The Day to fit in. They could move it to 8pm which could make things interesting come next spring if both shows are in the same slot as both would have a claim on the time.

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In It to Win It was originally a summer show. It was when it first aired in 2002. Then BBC decided to move it around and in the last few years (except this year), it became more of a new year treat.

They could delay it but then they will be seven weeks behind with Secret Fortune. The problem BBC have got is the sporting schedule. They have got Euro 2012 in June, Wimbledon in June/July, depending what happens on the first Saturday (if Andy Murray is still on) and the Olympics in July and August. Come September we got Strictly back. I know since 2008 they never air any lottery shows in the autumn. If we were in 2013 then it would be easy to move it around.

The BBC tried airing In It to Win It in autumn 2010 but after three shows they had to pull it mid-series for the return of Strictly. Down to schedule congestion. The remaining shows were aired in January 2011. I don't think they will be pulling that stunt again.

I will mention that every lottery show in the last six years always had an eight show commission. It is interesting that this series of In It to Win It and the future series of Secret Fortune have been given a twelve show commission. Had it been the normal eight show commission then it wouldn't be a problem delaying it.