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Ahh yes i remember that it had a very long run too, it had a BBC2 daily spin off too iirc.
There was also Guestimation [the other Nick Knowles lottery show] which also flopped. The second series of 'Come and Have a go (if you think you're smart enough)?'' adopted the lottery branding but it failed to boost it. |
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Both Guestimmation and The Peoples Qiuz started with over 5million viewers, helped by the Lottery branding. Never in a million years would they have even launched with 4m on Itv1, let alone 5m>..
The 3 flop quizzes ITV aired last year were either in the flop zone or against Countryfile/Strictly. Not exactly the same as when Guestimation and this time launched on summer nights in July! |
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The online gameshow community gave HoFAH quite favourable reviews and theres been much worse shows before which have lasted for years. .
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Dan Wooton has just tweeted that BGT will be moved this Saturday as well?! Can they make last minute changes since the schedule was locked in last week?
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Don't want to put a dampener on things, but one is from the creators of The Royal Bodyguard.
![]() They're actually good writers, though. They just direct their scripts to death. Quote:
No; that's why I think they should've gone with Britain's Got Talent at 8.15pm and The Cube at 9.30pm. 10.30pm may be a late finish but it's not overly late considering it's a Saturday night.
The best bit about The Voice, by the way, is reading Boyd Hilton's hilarious backtracking in Heat after he more or less pooh-poohed The Voice in week one and is now desperately trying to pretend he didn't, giving it the most mealy-mouthed reviews imaginable and repeatedly praising Britain's Got Talent to the skies, inevitably suggesting any success by The Voice is due to, natch, the Beeb not playing fair. Preusmably if The Voice rises any further, Hilton will explode given Cowell, like Gervais and Lucas, cannot be faulted at any point. What a hopeless TV "critic" he is. Quote:
Don't forget The People's Quiz which rated so badly, The National Lottery wanted nothing to do with them and pulled the branding half way through the series.
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Both Guestimmation and The Peoples Qiuz started with over 5million viewers, helped by the Lottery branding. Never in a million years would they have even launched with 4m on Itv1, let alone 5m>. Come and Have a Go (if you think you're smart enough) was popular in its 2nd series, getting over 6million viewers for many episodes according to BARB, and rating over 1million higher than the first series which didnt have National Lottery branding. Yes National Lottery shows do flop but they they have the advantage of starting much higher than what other quizzes can start with so can be more successful.
I don't buy the idea that people watch the shows just to see the numbers either, they know when they're drawn, they just need to switch on five minutes from the end. Guesstimation, of course, was a John De Mol/Talpa production, of course - as is The Voice. |
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Tuesday 10th April Overnights
BBC One 06:00- Breakfast: 1.4m (34.2%) ITV1 06:00- Daybreak: 0.6m (17.1%) 08:30- Lorraine: 1.1m (18.0%) Do we have a 6-8.30am figure for Breakfast and again for 8.30-9.15am? Quote:
No scheduling clash for #TheVoice vs #BGT on Saturday 21st April.
ITV and Cowell have backed down and moved BGT in the schedule from April 21 so there is NO overlap with The Voice. Sources: John Williams, Mark Jefferies Quote:
Presumably in response to The Voice, Channel 5's Once Upon a Time is moving to 9pm as of 22/4/12.
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That's bad for advertisers, good for ITV ratings I guess.
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Actuallly these were the says when In it to win it was getting 7-8m so a 5m debut wasn't exactly a good start.
We'll see what happens next time BBC One or Itv1 launch a new bog standard gameshow on a Saturday night, lets see if it launches with the 5million that 90% of new Lottery shows start with. Quote:
On what planet is slower than In it to win it [which is mostly disliked] a compliment from the 'gameshow community'?
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I don't buy the idea that people watch the shows just to see the numbers either, they know when they're drawn, they just need to switch on five minutes from the end.
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It is too late, though, you don't want light entertainment running until 10.30 because it seems far too flimsy, by that time of night people want adult programmes, and it makes earlier in the evening look incredibly weak.
Plus outside the tenth repeat of films what adult shows have ITV1 got? They may as well risk The Cube; it's going to be hurt either way - the lead in may at least give it a boost. |
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How can bad for advertisers be good for ITV's ratings. This move is great for advertisers as people will now watch BGT live rather than record and skip the ads.
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Football SPOILER attached (Match Of The Day is on BBC1 at 10.45pm)...
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So head to head with Homeland?
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We'll watch something off the planner after The Voice, and still spin through the ads of BGT. But you're right, the live viewing will increase.
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They should've kept a 15 minute clash. In a 75 minute show it's nothing and with the same ad break pattern of 31st March (start dead at 8.15pm; no break until 8.30pm) it should be enough to keep it ahead of The Voice without making Britain's Got Talent look pathetically weak - which is how it looks now. Yes, the ratings look ok for the moment but we'll see what happens on Saturday now The Voice is the scheduling king of Saturday night.
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Both Guestimmation and The Peoples Qiuz started with over 5million viewers, helped by the Lottery branding. Never in a million years would they have even launched with 4m on Itv1, let alone 5m>. Come and Have a Go (if you think you're smart enough) was popular in its 2nd series, getting over 6million viewers for many episodes according to BARB, and rating over 1million higher than the first series which didnt have National Lottery branding. Yes National Lottery shows do flop but they they have the advantage of starting much higher than what other quizzes can start with so can be more successful.
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Yep. That should be interesting! It's possible that they don't share that many viewers, they are after all very different. I watch both and will continue to do so.
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In It To Win It mostly disliked? Its one of the most enjoyable quizshows out there and Ive rarely come across anyone who has a bad word to say about the actual game element of it, I know some people get irritated by the presentation though
! Any quizshow which is similar to IITWI is on the right path as far as Im concerned and I know quite a few people on the quiz circuit who would agree with that sentiment.However, I will now spend the next five minutes trying to convince you that my answer is not so obvious, so it could be incredibly entertaining as I do remember seeing a show on the BBC at some point in the past which could possibly maybe have passed as incredibly entertaining, but hang on. It could also be mildly addictive. Oh sorry, that's just Dale and fake tan. So let's go back to my original answer and now pretend to discount that answer and actually question how anyone could possibly think In it to Win It is tediously slow. But no, it obviously is but I'll nervously suggest the answer I was so confident about three minutes will be my answer to the question to which I obviously know the answer to and say "Tediously slow". Quote:
Are you sure?
Of course I'm ****ing sure - you've made me spend five minutes talking through the blatantly obvious answer to a blatantly obvious question. Just get on with the fake tension will you!![]() Seriously though The Voice has surely raised the level of expectations for BBC on a Saturday night (though not the budget) and the lottery shows do look very cheap and dated now. I can't believe the tedious In it to Win It has survived when much better shows like Winning Lines and Jetset have been dumped over the years. I'd like to see the lottery shows return to a live entertainment based programme myself - certainly outside of the Strictly and Voice season. Not so much because I think the lottery should be in the centre of a song and dance, but more because it is a way for the BBC to stick a 30-minute entertainment format on Saturday nights and it to have a shot. It also takes the pressure off the presenter too - if it fails it'll be seen as a failure of the lottery and the BBC, not of the host attached. |
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I still don't buy this idea that the Lottery branded quizzes do well because they're Lottery branded. As I've said before I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that this slot has consistently been a quiz show slot for the BBC for years now so that audience is always there. The problem ITV have had (and will continue to have) is that they have absolutely no consistency to their scheduling outside of the soaps. Everything is just thrown around the schedule at will so there isn't a 'game show' slot where they consistently air game shows that will build up a solid audience.
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As we've seen from week 1 and 2, the papers aren't interested in the whole ratings, they are focussing on the clash. You could have a 5 minute clash where BGT loses and then gets 100 million for the remainder of the show, and the papers would still lead on the clash figure. Hence why keeping a clash of any sort is pointless.
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Then they should've avoided the clash from the start. Take Me Out is a weak excuse; if they were that concerned about the clash they would've risked Take Me Out sinking just to keep Britain's Got Talent out of the way.
I think this discussion is going round in circles now |
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The Voice could have flopped or been pushed back to clash at a later time.
I think this discussion is going round in circles now I did say last night BBC One would have probably instigated a clash at some point although at least if ITV had tried to avoid The Voice the BBC would've been to blame, as it were.Either way, PR wise, ITV have made a complete mess of it. |
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Seriously though The Voice has surely raised the level of expectations for BBC on a Saturday night (though not the budget) and the lottery shows do look very cheap and dated now. I can't believe the tedious In it to Win It has survived when much better shows like Winning Lines and Jetset have been dumped over the years.
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I'd like to see the lottery shows return to a live entertainment based programme myself - certainly outside of the Strictly and Voice season. Not so much because I think the lottery should be in the centre of a song and dance, but more because it is a way for the BBC to stick a 30-minute entertainment format on Saturday nights and it to have a shot. It also takes the pressure off the presenter too - if it fails it'll be seen as a failure of the lottery and the BBC, not of the host attached.
I'd be tempted to call this a good idea but my fear is that it might result in the BBC giving a more prominent slot to Tonight's The Night. But as long as that never happens I can get behind more general entertainment formats being attached to the Lottery branding.
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Tuesdays at 8pm have had quite a lot of game shows for years!
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The Voice could have flopped or been pushed back to clash at a later time.
I think this discussion is going round in circles now The Voice/BGT scheduling discussion has become very tedious reading. Yesterday we had 4 pages saying why ITV should move BGT then today we get another 4 pages saying why they've made the right decision to move. Don't let them clash again please! |
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Does it ever!
The Voice/BGT scheduling discussion has become very tedious reading. Yesterday we had 4 pages saying why ITV should move BGT then today we get another 4 pages saying why they've made the right decision to move. Don't let them clash again please!
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True.
I did say last night BBC One would have probably instigated a clash at some point although at least if ITV had tried to avoid The Voice the BBC would've been to blame, as it were.Either way, PR wise, ITV have made a complete mess of it. |
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All this The Voice v's BGT fluff talk is getting rather ridiculous. In a nutshell: The Beeb will be delighted with the ratings and press coverage, ITV/Cowell will be delighted with the ratings and press coverage.
The Beeb have a big LE hit, Cowell/ITV are still making money. The End!
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Not for the sake of BBC or ITV but for the sake of the Ratings Thread sanity.
![]() ![]() I do think some things are being missed in terms of ratings facts/not being discussed: - BBC One finally has a nice wee hit there with The Syndicate. Nothing major, but staying solid! - Silent Witness is down a bit, I'm seeing some changes to the show, wondering if this is an attempt to freshen it up (honestly the Beeb maybe need a change to the cast) - The Apprentice is a bit of a rubbish group this year and isn't really benefiting from last years mega build up! The rest of the ratings are dull though. The usual things are shit, the usual things are solid... Were lacking any real...hits...and soaps are dead now too (seriously they all need to get their acts together, EE looks most in danger to me) Something big and new to do well would be nice. Which is why everyones talking about The Voice quite frankly! Fact is the reality shows are more bite sized and easier for people on here to talk about I suppose. Whilst The Syndicate needs to be watched to be fully appreciated; Titanic on the other hand is just plain crap and crap is easy to understand and thus discuss! |
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All this The Voice v's BGT fluff talk is getting rather ridiculous. In a nutshell: The Beeb will be delighted with the ratings and press coverage, ITV/Cowell will be delighted with the ratings and press coverage.
The Beeb have a big LE hit, Cowell/ITV are still making money. The End! ![]() |
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! Any quizshow which is similar to IITWI is on the right path as far as Im concerned and I know quite a few people on the quiz circuit who would agree with that sentiment.
