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The Ratings Thread (Part 33)
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sn_22
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“If a programme is shown once on a minority channel (SSF1) and once on BBC1 (the number 1 channel in the UK) then surely it is blindingly obvious that it will get a much lower total audience than if it is shown twice on BBC1.

How could anyone expect anything else?

The questions are:

1) Is the Sky audience a good audience for Sky? (Given the number of homes which have it etc)

2) Is the BBC highlights audience a good audience for what it is?

Neither of the above questions can be answered by just adding together the two figures and saying they are the lowest for umpteen years.

My own view is that Sky and BBC WILL both be very pleased with their figures. But any interpretation may be accused of spin so I'll leave it at that for now(!)”

Yeah, I think they'll both be satisfied enough too. Though foolishly, I might attempt some analysis...

I suppose you could say that of the move to Sky "displaced" roughly 1.4m (or two-thirds) of last years live viewers. The BBC's highlights coverage snapped up half of them (700k) in addition to last years delayed 2m viewership, while the other 700k went missing altogether. I think the BBC can probably be relatively pleased with that. For non-live races, they can never hope to draw a viewer away if that viewer is able to watch on Sky and willing to get up at the time needed to do it. They just have to target those that aren't. And this time round you might say they catered for 2.7m of the 3.4m that fell into that category. Thats not bad. Though for future afternoon races the time-difference factor (that enhances the size of that "can't/won't" pool) won't play into their hands so well.

The above is obviously full of assumptions and generalisations, but it was interesting in my head....

Regarding SSF1 - do we have a rough figure for how many homes it's actually available in? As you say, it's almost impossible to judge because as far as I know, no other major channel has that peculiar "Sport plus HD" availability that Sky have given it. (Surely, in time, it's just going to be absorbed into the Sport pack? Without ads, it's the only way they can make money once HD is standard...)
Andy23
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“EastEnders doing well on twitter tonight (must better than past Mondays infact)

EastEnders is 2nd most popualr topic trending in the UK
George Michael
Heather
Ben Mitchell

also trending

Poor Heather is trending Worldwide”

As EastEnders was a big episode tonight I assume anything less than being number 1 programme tonight will be seen as poor.
Fudd
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“As EastEnders was a big episode tonight I assume anything less than being number 1 programme tonight will be seen as poor.”

Coronation Street had a big double bill as well.
AlexiR
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“The Voice has quadruple eliminations every week anyway (one per judge).”

It doesn't (or shouldn't).

The first batch of live shows alternate between teams so week 1 'Team Jessie' and 'Team Tom' will perform and then week two 'Team Danny' and 'Team will.i.am' perform. That's also how the show can get by without a results show for the opening live shows. The eliminations are folded into the following weeks show. That format also means the live shows don't have to be so long.

Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Calling Game of Thrones poor? Possibly one of the most ridiculous comments I've seen on here. Granted, it wasn't perfect, but its become a massive success. It averaged 9.3m viewers in The States and every episode shown on Sky Atlantic last year was over 1m. It's also broke the HBO DVD record becoming the most successful first week DVD release of all-time selling over 350,000 units.”

As I said before Game of Thrones is production values and not much else. That people are desperately clinging to this notion that Thrones is some kind of modern masterpiece is yet another example of how poor HBO's output has been in recent times and how poor US television in general has been as of late. True Blood had the exact same issue. For the first couple of years everyone was desperately trying to convince themselves it was a great piece of television but however you slice it, it just isn't. And that's fine not everything has to be that.

To deal with some of your other points

Game of Thrones averaged 8.3 million over multiple airings and on demand viewing. That sounds impressive but both True Blood and Boardwalk Empire are averaging more than 10 million by the same metric and the utterly terrible Entourage was pulling similar figures to Thrones (although it was down to 7-8 million for its final season).

I don't care about its first week DVD sales. They aren't particularly illuminating beyond telling us that Game of Thrones fans are a bit obsessive and I already knew that. More important are how the weeks to come do.
AlexiR
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Enlightened is great and did well at the Golden Globes. why do people call Boardwalk Empire, Broadwalk Empire?”

A monkey defecating can do well at the Golden Globes if the monkey is (a) famous enough or (b) the studio behind it pay enough. And to be honest I think you're overstating how well it did at the Globes. It didn't sweep the board or anything.

Quote:
“Totally unrelated. The same as they bought stuff from Showtime, NBC and CBS.”

They didn't massively overbid for the stuff from NBC, CBS or Showtime.

The truth is Sky had to go and buy Mad Men because if they hadn't it would have been a glaring omission from the Sky Atlantic line-up (especially with the branding they were originally aiming for) and that's the point. That HBO hasn't produced anything in that league for years now so that even after Sky sign a huge deal for exclusive rights to HBO's content they have to go out and buy another show because it casts such a long shadow nothing HBO is doing can get out from under it. Or even come close.
derek500
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Regarding SSF1 - do we have a rough figure for how many homes it's actually available in? As you say, it's almost impossible to judge because as far as I know, no other major channel has that peculiar "Sport plus HD" availability that Sky have given it.”

Sky Sports News is Entertainment Extra and/or Sky Sports 1 & 2.

Don't know how BARB work out the weightings for the different subscription options and how often they're updated.
Charnham
19-03-2012
shouldn't #dodgystuntfight also be trending, fair enough it was an alright episode but Ben not hitting Heather with the photoframe was laughable.
Agent F
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Coronation Street had a big double bill as well.”

Ah yes but it wasn't the second most popular Twitter trending topic in the UK.

These things ARE relevant you know.
Agent F
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“shouldn't #dodgystuntfight also be trending, fair enough it was an alright episode but Ben not hitting Heather with the photoframe was laughable.”

It was the first half decent episode of EastEnders in months so naturally the soaps forum goes mad and proclaims it the best episode of EastEnders ever. Until the next one...
dan2008
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“shouldn't #dodgystuntfight also be trending, fair enough it was an alright episode but Ben not hitting Heather with the photoframe was laughable.”

I don't see how.It was the Spur of the moment thing and she hit her head on the way down.
Tomorrow's episode carries on where this one left off and in fact the 'Aftermath' carries on into Next Mondays episode too.

Looking at clips there's some powerfull scenes coming this week

If you noticed with the trailer the BBC was showing it's the 'Aftermath' that they hyped up. Phil's return and what will happen next
dan2008
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Coronation Street had a big double bill as well.”

Yes to a Big whodunnit
Fudd
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Ah yes but it wasn't the second most popular Twitter trending topic in the UK.

These things ARE relevant you know. ”



Back to last night...Dancing On Ice is gliding on thin, er, ice towards it's conclusion. 7m is decent but low all thing considered. It's not as though it's up against overly tough competition. Upstairs, Downstairs is also limping and it'll be interesting to see how it does against Titanic next week. Homeland is performing very well at the moment - it could be an interesting battle at 9pm.

And on another issue, how typical TV Burp is back. I'm pleased but I'm surprised ITV didn't hold the news back until the last episode of the series aired.
Fudd
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Yes to a Big whodunnit”

Though to be fair practically everyone guessed it was her before tonight. They may as well have had a big red arrow pointing at her from Friday's double bill onwards at least.
dan2008
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Though to be fair practically everyone guessed it was her before tonight. They may as well have had a big red arrow pointing at her from Friday's double bill onwards at least.”

Was it his mother then? I watched the 7:30pm episode but not the 8:30

Thing is wasn't it only her and Sally at the factory so it had to be one or the other
Charnham
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“:

And on another issue, how typical TV Burp is back. I'm pleased but I'm surprised ITV didn't hold the news back until the last episode of the series aired.”

is that confirmed?
Fudd
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Was it his mother then? I watched the 7:30pm episode but not the 8:30

Thing is wasn't it only her and Sally at the factory so it had to be one or the other”

Spoiler
Yes...though I have no idea why I'm using spoilers.


Originally Posted by Charnham:
“is that confirmed?”

I thought it was earlier. Was it just a rumour which wasn't confirmed?
dan2008
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“is that confirmed?”

Yes! Harry has done a U Turn
Agent F
19-03-2012
To be fair the "fact" TV Burp was meant to be ending was never actually confirmed in the first place...
Andy23
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Was it his mother then? I watched the 7:30pm episode but not the 8:30

Thing is wasn't it only her and Sally at the factory so it had to be one or the other”

No, obviously or there wouldn't have been all the suspects!
Fudd
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Yes! Harry has done a U Turn”

I hope he takes the mick out of himself on Saturday. "Don't you hate shows which are supposedly on the 'final' series and then produce another set?"
dan2008
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“To be fair the "fact" TV Burp was meant to be ending was never actually confirmed in the first place...”

It should end. It's become very stail now
I don't even laugh at anything in it anymore because you just know what's going to happen.

I think either Bin it (which is clearly what they are not doing) or give it a revamp
Charnham
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Yes! Harry has done a U Turn”

I mean confirmed beyond the tabloid tittle tattle we saw this morning
Andy23
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I hope he takes the mick out of himself on Saturday. "Don't you hate shows which are supposedly on the 'final' series and then produce another set?" ”

Although nobody within the show or on ITV ever referred to it as the final series anyway!

Good news, I know on DS there is only ever extreme views and a weak episode translates to 'the worst ever, it should be axed', but in reality a series with a few good moments is better than nothing at all.
Dancc
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“is that confirmed?”

Industry bible Broadcast says talks are at an early stage between Harry and ITV.
Andy23
19-03-2012
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“It should end. It's become very stail now
I don't even laugh at anything in it anymore because you just know what's going to happen.

I think either Bin it (which is clearly what they are not doing) or give it a revamp”

Sounds like EastEnders!
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