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Old 26-03-2012, 18:22
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Does anyone have a rating figure for the Sports Relief Mile show the BBC ran yesterday afternoon? It's the first time it's been covered in any detail on TV and I wondered if there was any audience for it given the likely viewers were probably out there actually running it
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:26
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Homeland is one of the few shows C4 have to be cheery about at the minute. It's holding up very well. Much better than I thought it would. It helps that it's a great show.
To well perhaps - Sky are bound to have their sights on it now for season 3 onwards.

Yep, and the thing about that Sunday 8pm slot is, it's not a bad slot. Lots of people watching TV, looking for something good to take their minds off work the next day. And as we've seen only recently, pre-watershed drama can be one of the most popular genres at that time, and there is nothing that meets that criteria airing on Sundays at the moment.
Very true - though whether people will look towards C5 is another matter. ITV don't seem to have anything lined up to replace Dancing on Ice on a Sunday at the moment though so it is pretty much the perfect time to try and grab that Sunday night audience.


P.S. The Sun reporting today (just under the pic of Noel jumping a shark) that Deal or No Deal will have celebrity specials from Easter including Harry Hill, McFly and Noel himself playing with the show airing in primetime. This being C4 though rather than stick it on a Sunday night where there is sod all at the moment they're planning to put it on Saturdays - and knowing C4 they'll managed to have it clash with both The Voice and BGT.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:29
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Don't forget Sherlock too. If they do three weeks of Sherlock followed by 8 weeks of CTM at the same time as DOI that's pretty much the whole series of DOI in very serious trouble... I think it needs to be moved to a very different slot if it's got any hope of going on beyond next year.
I don't think Sherlock will be there as they start filming in 2013.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:36
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The Sun reporting today (just under the pic of Noel jumping a shark) that Deal or No Deal will have celebrity specials from Easter including Harry Hill, McFly and Noel himself playing with the show airing in primetime. This being C4 though rather than stick it on a Sunday night where there is sod all at the moment they're planning to put it on Saturdays - and knowing C4 they'll managed to have it clash with both The Voice and BGT.
They twisted Noel's arm then! He was very anti the idea of celeb specials at the beginning. Sounds like a potentially good lineup though. And if Noel will be playing, who will be presenting?

The thing about Deal or No Deal is, whilst it got boring for the more discerning viewer about 5 years ago, it's still massively popular and regularly Channel 4's best performer of the day in terms of audience share. I suspect these will do well as you can't normally go wrong with a celebrity special, but they'll have to be careful on Saturday nights to avoid the various obstacles that you've highlighted.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:36
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I don't think Sherlock will be there as they start filming in 2013.
Really? I thought it was airing early next year, I must have misread that headline. My bad.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:38
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Really? I thought it was airing early next year, I must have misread that headline. My bad.
Yes. They confirmed that the earliest people would be available is 2013 so I'd say we have that to look forward to in the Autumn of 2013 at a guess.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:39
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This went under the radar - ITV have commissioned a new series of All Star Mr and Mrs: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...039604.article
I was surprised they axed it in the first place, the last series was getting 4.5-5m on Saturdays in early 2010 so it's a decent rating show. I guess that it'll air late Summer/early Autumn (perhaps in the Sunday 7pm slot). ITV are recording more Celebrity Chase in May according to Lost In TV so that'll probably end up in the Summer. I notice they're running repeats of Celebrity Millionaire in the Tuesday 8pm slot from next week - seems a very bizarre thing to do although I'm sure they won't do any worse than some of the other stuff they've tried there. They're probably hoping viewers forgetg they've seen them before!

The Sun reporting today (just under the pic of Noel jumping a shark) that Deal or No Deal will have celebrity specials from Easter including Harry Hill, McFly and Noel himself playing with the show airing in primetime. This being C4 though rather than stick it on a Sunday night where there is sod all at the moment they're planning to put it on Saturdays - and knowing C4 they'll managed to have it clash with both The Voice and BGT.
A decent idea in principle but Saturdays would be crazy for them with The Voice/BGT and Pointless Celebrities earlier on. Sundays would be much better. Broadcast are saying they've ordered 8 episodes and it'll start on Easter weekend so very soon. Sundays at 7pm or even 8pm would be decent, and it'd probably get 2m+ for them there. Can't help feeling they're a couple of years too late on this one hough.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:43
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Demos for Britain's Got Talent and The Voice UK (I'll post the full list for the week tomorrow): http://i41.tinypic.com/258822p.jpg

Almost identical skews really, apart from ABC1s which BBC1 normally have automatically higher than ITV1 anyway.

The Voice UK and Britain's Got Talent popularity region by region:

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	        The Voice UK		Britain's Got Talent
Total.........	8.43m	37.6%.....	9.30m	38.7%
				
Border......	0.084m	37.3%...	0.126m	55.8%
East of Eng	0.597m	34.3%...	0.676m	37.3%
London....	1.320m	33.8%...	1.640m	37.4%
Midlands..	1.090m	34.3%...	1.310m	38.2%
North East	0.446m	37.4%...	0.495m	42.3%
North West	1.010m	40.0%...	1.180m	43.5%
Scotland...	0.776m	42.6%...	0.653m	34.4%
South West	0.219m	32.6%...	0.292m	41.3%
South & SE	0.832m	36.7%...	0.865m	36.8%
Ulster........	0.268m	41.9%...	0.341m	47.7%
Wales........	0.548m	44.6%...	0.527m	38.8%
West........	0.317m	46.7%...	0.261m	36.1%
Yorkshire..	0.914m	38.0%...	0.936m	37.3%
Very interesting to see how popular The Voice UK was in the non-English regions, it had really good shares in Scotland, Ulster, Wales - quite unusual for a BBC1 show. In fact, it had more viewers than BGT in Scotland and Wales - I can see why it was that popular in Wales (Tom Jones factor) but can't quite work out why it was so popular in Scotland (and why BGT is relatively unpopular up there!?). The Voice did best in the West of England with 46.7% share (comfortably beating BGT share-wise there...and in viewers) but did worst in the South West of England - dont have a clue why there was such a big share difference between the West and South West which are so close in location, but there you go! Britain's Got Talent rated best in the little 'Border' region and was very popular in the Northern parts of England and Ulster. They're not as keen on it in Scotland and the West of England though.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:43
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I was surprised they axed it in the first place, the last series was getting 4.5-5m on Saturdays in early 2010 so it's a decent rating show. I guess that it'll air late Summer/early Autumn (perhaps in the Sunday 7pm slot). ITV are recording more Celebrity Chase in May according to Lost In TV so that'll probably end up in the Summer. I notice they're running repeats of Celebrity Millionaire in the Tuesday 8pm slot from next week - seems a very bizarre thing to do although I'm sure they won't do any worse than some of the other stuff they've tried there. They're probably hoping viewers forgetg they've seen them before!
Well if it's in the Flopzone they don't have to worry about people seeing it for a second time!
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:47
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Demos for Britain's Got Talent and The Voice (I'll post the full list for the week tomorrow): http://i41.tinypic.com/258822p.jpg

Almost identical skews really, apart from ABC1s which BBC1 normally have automatically higher than ITV1 anyway.

The Voice and Britain's Got Talent popularity region by region:

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	        The Voice		Britain's Got Talent
Total.........	8.43m	37.6%.....	9.30m	38.7%
				
Border......	0.084m	37.3%...	0.126m	55.8%
East of Eng	0.597m	34.3%...	0.676m	37.3%
London....	1.320m	33.8%...	1.640m	37.4%
Midlands..	1.090m	34.3%...	1.310m	38.2%
North East	0.446m	37.4%...	0.495m	42.3%
North West	1.010m	40.0%...	1.180m	43.5%
Scotland...	0.776m	42.6%...	0.653m	34.4%
South West	0.219m	32.6%...	0.292m	41.3%
South & SE	0.832m	36.7%...	0.865m	36.8%
Ulster........	0.268m	41.9%...	0.341m	47.7%
Wales........	0.548m	44.6%...	0.527m	38.8%
West........	0.317m	46.7%...	0.261m	36.1%
Yorkshire..	0.914m	38.0%...	0.936m	37.3%
Very interesting to see how popular The Voice was in the non-English regions, it had really good shares in Scotland, Ulster, Wales - quite unusual for a BBC1 show. In fact, it had more viewers than BGT in Scotland and Wales - I can see why it was that popular in Wales (Tom Jones factor) but can't quite work out why it was so popular in Scotland (and why BGT is relatively unpopular up there!?). The Voice did best in the West of England with 46.7% share (comfortably beating BGT share-wise there) but did worst in the South West of England - dont have a clue why there was such a big share difference between West and South West, but there you go! Britain's Got Talent rated best in the little 'Border' region and very popular in the North of England and Ulster. They're not as keen on it in Scotland and the West of England though.
Fascinating as always rzt. Do you know how both shows did by age range?

Oops I'm a dunce. I didn't look at the picture!
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:49
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P.S. The Sun reporting today (just under the pic of Noel jumping a shark) that Deal or No Deal will have celebrity specials from Easter including Harry Hill, McFly and Noel himself playing with the show airing in primetime. This being C4 though rather than stick it on a Sunday night where there is sod all at the moment they're planning to put it on Saturdays - and knowing C4 they'll managed to have it clash with both The Voice and BGT.
Did they not make a lot of the fact that they wouldn't do celeb specials?!

Knowing Channel 4 if it's a success they'll recomission them with a new series returning every 5 weeks, on top of the usual daytime episodes!
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:49
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1.3m for Alcatraz? My drink nearly ended up over my keyboard when I saw that one. Including repeats and +1, well over 2 million watched the pilot, which is amazing.
Yes, 1.3m is an amazing start for Alcatraz, its just a shame its not very good at all. A total borefest IMO. And with it dying in The States its close to cancellation anyway.



As for last night, despite ITV winning the night, those are some very underwhelmimg ratings. I think the fact the clocks altered affected the DoI Final. It is abit silly have the Final on this day. Maybe next year they should bring it forward a week to avoid this, but a 7.1m average (exc. +1) is very bad indeed. I'm not sure how this can be reversed to be honest. The whole series averaged 6.7m (inc. +1: 6.9m). Its probably fair to say no one saw that coming!

As for Titanic, abit of a disaster really. With 3 weeks(?) of promotion only 6.9m bothered to tune in for the first episode. And looking at the breakdown, its not surprising it fell so much. It was bloody awful. Why would they big up something so much only for it be fail like this? Red or Black springs to mind. It was a total disappointment. Homeland held up remarkably well. I haven't seen any episodes yet - I've got them all on the Sky+ and plan on watching them at a fairly fast pace once its ended. I hope its as good as people are suggesting.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:51
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Fascinating as always rzt. Do you know how both shows did by age range?
It shows in the table how they did by age range. The Voice UK was ever so slightly more popular among the 55+ whilst BGT lead the way in the under 55s.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:51
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As for last night, despite ITV winning the night, those are some very underwhelmimg ratings. I think the fact the clocks altered affected the DoI Final. It is abit silly have the Final on this day.
I'm sure the weather had more to do with it rather than the clocks going back, it could have been cold & raining all day yesterday, last year it might have been.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:52
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Homeland held up remarkably well. I haven't seen any episodes yet - I've got them all on the Sky+ and plan on watching them at a fairly fast pace once its ended. I hope its as good as people are suggesting.
You won't be disappointed. Probably a good way to do it actually as it's one of those shows that always leaves you wanting more and a week for the next episode seems too long. (see also 24, Dexter)
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:53
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As for Titanic, abit of a disaster really. With 3 weeks(?) of promotion only 6.9m bothered to tune in for the first episode. And looking at the breakdown, its not surprising it fell so much. It was bloody awful. Why would they big up something so much only for it be fail like this?
as a tribute to history?
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:55
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Yes, 1.3m is an amazing start for Alcatraz, its just a shame its not very good at all. A total borefest IMO. And with it dying in The States its close to cancellation anyway.
Sky's biggest hits of late seem to have been with one series wonders.

And thanks rzt for the region and demo breakdown - very interesting. I wonder where all the 65+ audience went from BBC1.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:55
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as a tribute to history?
They could have done it in a much cheaper and more original and interesting way than that, I'm sure. The hype was ridiculous for a show that clearly offers nothing new at all.
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Old 26-03-2012, 18:58
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I'm sure the weather had more to do with it rather than the clocks going back, it could have been cold & raining all day yesterday, last year it might have been.
Yeah a big factor, and bad luck for ITV really.

You won't be disappointed. Probably a good way to do it actually as it's one of those shows that always leaves you wanting more and a week for the next episode seems too long. (see also 24, Dexter)
I love 24 (my favourite show ever!) and I'm a big Dexter fan too. Season 6 starts this Friday on FX.

as a tribute to history?
Good point, but did it have to be so bad? Too many characters, no panic or tension. Dreadful!
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Old 26-03-2012, 19:00
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I stopped caring about what The Radio Times thought ages ago.
Haven't read their Voice article (I don't bother with their website since the botched revamp), but I'm inclined to agree with your assessment of RT magazine: generally if it doesn't involve Julian Fellowes, or isn't behind a paywall on a Sky package channel (one of RT's biggest advertisers), there tends to be little enthusiasm much of the time.
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Old 26-03-2012, 19:03
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And thanks rzt for the region and demo breakdown - very interesting. I wonder where all the 65+ audience went from BBC1.
Quite a number of 65+ year olds went to All Star Family Fortunes, which averaged a decent 4m during 7-7.30pm as it's popular with that demo - 35% of ASFF's audience were aged 65+ which is high for an ITV1 LE show. Looks like younger skewing shows such as TV Burp were hit harder by The Voice than older skewing stuff like ASFF. I think that's the way ITV will have to find a decent counter audience against The Voice, trying to sweep up the older viewers. Keith Lemon's new show isn't going to do that though...
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Old 26-03-2012, 19:07
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Demos for Britain's Got Talent and The Voice UK (I'll post the full list for the week tomorrow): http://i41.tinypic.com/258822p.jpg

Almost identical skews really, apart from ABC1s which BBC1 normally have automatically higher than ITV1 anyway.

The Voice UK and Britain's Got Talent popularity region by region:

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	        The Voice UK		Britain's Got Talent
Total.........	8.43m	37.6%.....	9.30m	38.7%
				
Border......	0.084m	37.3%...	0.126m	55.8%
East of Eng	0.597m	34.3%...	0.676m	37.3%
London....	1.320m	33.8%...	1.640m	37.4%
Midlands..	1.090m	34.3%...	1.310m	38.2%
North East	0.446m	37.4%...	0.495m	42.3%
North West	1.010m	40.0%...	1.180m	43.5%
Scotland...	0.776m	42.6%...	0.653m	34.4%
South West	0.219m	32.6%...	0.292m	41.3%
South & SE	0.832m	36.7%...	0.865m	36.8%
Ulster........	0.268m	41.9%...	0.341m	47.7%
Wales........	0.548m	44.6%...	0.527m	38.8%
West........	0.317m	46.7%...	0.261m	36.1%
Yorkshire..	0.914m	38.0%...	0.936m	37.3%
Very interesting to see how popular The Voice UK was in the non-English regions, it had really good shares in Scotland, Ulster, Wales - quite unusual for a BBC1 show. In fact, it had more viewers than BGT in Scotland and Wales - I can see why it was that popular in Wales (Tom Jones factor) but can't quite work out why it was so popular in Scotland (and why BGT is relatively unpopular up there!?). The Voice did best in the West of England with 46.7% share (comfortably beating BGT share-wise there...and in viewers) but did worst in the South West of England - dont have a clue why there was such a big share difference between the West and South West which are so close in location, but there you go! Britain's Got Talent rated best in the little 'Border' region and was very popular in the Northern parts of England and Ulster. They're not as keen on it in Scotland and the West of England though.
this is really interesting Can you find this info out for more shows? I remember a while ago there was one comparing Emmerdale and Dr Who on Christmas day.
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Old 26-03-2012, 19:10
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this is really interesting Can you find this info out for more shows? I remember a while ago there was one comparing Emmerdale and Dr Who on Christmas day.
Yeah, I can find the regional breakdown for any show. Takes a while to get, calculate and put in tabular form, but if it's something interesting, I can have a look for it.
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Old 26-03-2012, 19:12
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https://twitter.com/#!/Lord_Sugar/st...05727958040576 - 1.2m for The Apprentice on iPlayer in 5 days!
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Old 26-03-2012, 19:12
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It shows in the table how they did by age range. The Voice UK was ever so slightly more popular among the 55+ whilst BGT lead the way in the under 55s.
Quite a number of 65+ year olds went to All Star Family Fortunes, which averaged a decent 4m during 7-7.30pm as it's popular with that demo - 35% of ASFF's audience were aged 65+ which is high for an ITV1 LE show. Looks like younger skewing shows such as TV Burp were hit harder by The Voice than older skewing stuff like ASFF. I think that's the way ITV will have to find a decent counter audience against The Voice, trying to sweep up the older viewers. Keith Lemon's new show isn't going to do that though...
The Voice definitely does well with the younger demos for a BBC1 show, it needed them so that it'd be successful as BBC1 tends to have an older audience generally speaking.

And that is why a clash doesn't help either. It's not like Strictly v X Factor with the latter appealing to younger viewers, so a clash doesn't dent X Factor that much.
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