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Old 28-03-2012, 17:30
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I wonder what figures Sky get from their own system?
Less reliable ones?
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Old 28-03-2012, 17:35
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No, I posted it to make it clear that the 7.67m figure was indeed tape-checked (it finished at 7.56pm) and not a full-slot average because I know yesterday there was a bit of confusion over whether the EE figure posted was tape-checked or not. For what it's worth, I thought EE did alright yesterday share-wise, bearing in mind it was up against football which would've rated better than the usual ITV1 7.30pm flopzone stuff (as well as football on Sky/ESPN).
They seem to be rather short episodes of EastEnders this week. I might be imagining things, but the credits seem to be extended this week, to make up for some of the shortfall.

Of course, I might just be losing my marbles!
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Old 28-03-2012, 17:51
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better in so far as the sample will be bigger, worse in so far as they cant tell how many people are in the room but BARB probably is less than perfect as regards that too.
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:23
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BBC One had another steady night. Big Fat Gypsy Weddings has taken a tumble but is still performing respectably. The football on ITV1 was squeezed by the competition but it still did better than most flopzone material and the audience would've been favourable.

Looks like The Voice/BGT overlap remains for 7th April, as the BBC Media Centre has confirmed TVUK for 19:00-20:20 whilst BGT is down for 20:00 on the ITV Press Centre. How ridiculous. I notice BGT is down as 75 mins again that night so I suppose that might be the reason for it but it does seem stupid that they've left it. They've pushed LemonAid back to 18:15 though (with You've Been Framed and Best of TV Burp in the 7pm hour) so at least that'll avoid The Voice.
It looks like ITV1 have admitted defeat with The Voice and are looking to save Lemonaid instead. I can't see it doing well there, though. It's far too early.

Yep, giving them the perfect opportunity to save an episode for Easter Sunday, if they so wished.
But haven't the previous Easter Sunday episodes been 'specials' rather than a normal epsiode - a trip to London, a trip to Blackpool etc.?
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:26
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With regards to BBC 1 Monday at 9 pm it was the last episode of the excellent 'Story of Wales' from Huw Edwards. This has certainly gone down well here and aired instead of Empire each week.

The last one was followed by a making of special and a debate after the news as to how good/bad it was....so there was a themed BBC 1 night on Monday here.

I know it will have only modestly effected the figures for 9 - 10 pm but I suspect there was a good BBC 1 Welsh percentage during that hour at least.

They announced, by the way, that the six part series will get a UK wide airing shortly (BBC 2 I assume). Well worth a look when it does as it seems to have quite a bit of money and looked lavish. Shame it was not HD though as the panoramic scenes would have looked great. But knowing the BBC they probably filmed it in HD and simply never bothered to air it that way until everyone has seen it.
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:41
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Given the push that was made with the retro ads I think its pretty clear that Sky were hoping for a larger than average live audience for Mad Men and it hasn't really delivered.

But in the wake of yet another set of disappointing figures for Atlantic the question I'm left wondering is, is the channel worth it? Is the presence of Sky Atlantic really driving subscriptions to such a degree that its worth not just airing things like Mad Men and Game of Thrones on Sky1 where they'd undoubtedly get bigger over nights and possibly bigger time shifts as well.

Has anyone here, who wasn't already a subscriber, been compelled to join Sky because of Sky Atlantic?
Cleverdicks has not been delivering the goods either ( I think Sky Atlantic and Splash Media needed someone like former Thames TV newsreader Robin Houston who has experience in presenting quiz shows to host Cleverdicks rather than hiring flavour of the month Anne Widdecombe, who has no experience in quiz shows or presenting, and has ended up making Mick and Samantha at the 1989 Brits look good), otherwise Sky Atlantic wouldn't have needed to drop the 7am edition for Seinfeld repeats.

If that's happened, it doesn't abode well for the other showings at 12pm and 7pm, as seen with Shortland Street on Living after it's morning edition was axed. You can bet your bottom dollar Sky Atlantic will drop the evening edition soon and put Voyager or Next Generation there and shunt Cleverdicks to lunchtime only.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:08
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Cleverdicks has not been delivering the goods either ( I think Sky Atlantic and Splash Media needed someone like former Thames TV newsreader Robin Houston who has experience in presenting quiz shows to host Cleverdicks rather than hiring flavour of the month Anne Widdecombe, who has no experience in quiz shows or presenting, and has ended up making Mick and Samantha at the 1989 Brits look good), otherwise Sky Atlantic wouldn't have needed to drop the 7am edition for Seinfeld repeats.

If that's happened, it doesn't abode well for the other showings at 12pm and 7pm, as seen with Shortland Street on Living after it's morning edition was axed. You can bet your bottom dollar Sky Atlantic will drop the evening edition soon and put Voyager or Next Generation there and shunt Cleverdicks to lunchtime only.
As mentioned in this thread. I suspect they'll run to the series ends. It wraps up next Friday.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:15
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Countryfile and Antiques Roadshow region-by-region:
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Total......	4.77m	21.4%		5.62m	22.0%

Border......	0.075m	25.3%		0.035m	11.7%
East of Eng	0.372m	21.7%		0.429m	22.1%
London....	0.589m	15.7%		0.824m	18.5%
Midlands	0.827m	25.3%		0.893m	23.5%
North East	0.256m	22.2%		0.267m	21.0%
North West	0.457m	19.3%		0.612m	21.5%
Scotland	0.343m	19.9%		0.375m	19.2%
South West	0.138m	20.6%		0.188m	26.1%
South & SE	0.702m	29.7%		0.734m	27.3%
Ulster.......	0.086m	15.5%		0.092m	13.6%
Wales.......	0.315m	25.8%		0.319m	23.3%
West........	0.195m	24.5%		0.229m	25.8%
Yorkshire	0.411m	17.3%		0.553m	20.9%
Would you have "regional" figures for the 6 Nations
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:18
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Catching up with tonight's final episode of My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding. Much (maybe all if it continues like this...) of the episode revolving around one extended gyspy family, which includes 2-4 people who were in the last series too, including the girl who created headlines getting grabbed, the boy who grabbed her and the gypsy couple who were on Alan Carr's Chatty Man.

Maybe my mind is running away, but the whole Wedding thing can't last forever and I do wonder if they are preparing for the future here. Feels a bit like a pilot. This family has a ton of kids, so loads of potential for the future.

'My Big Fat Gypsy Family' on the horizon...
I always assumed after the ridiculous rating for the original Cutting Edge documentary that would be the route it would go as couldn't imagine people watching gypsies in massive wedding dresses week after week. That's obviously so 2011 though!


what is More 4 doing with The DailyShow, seems to have been moved to the midnight hour, from 11pm, the show just keeps getting later and later, its very worrying.
I don't really get why More4 kept the Global Edition. It's alone in the schedule and although the Daily Show was the sort of thing More4 should be doing, it never rated particularly well and I expect the weekly edition has even less viewers.

Yep, sure.

Dancing on Ice Final region-by-region:

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Total.......	7.02m	29.8%

Border......	0.104m	35.4%
East of Eng	0.480m	26.7%
London....	0.978m	24.3%
Midlands	0.942m	27.1%
North East	0.396m	33.1%
North West	0.872m	33.8%
Scotland	0.608m	33.4%
South West	0.230m	33.4%
South & SE	0.743m	29.8%
Ulster.......	0.216m	35.7%
Wales.......	0.380m	29.7%
West........	0.221m	26.6%
Yorkshire	0.850m	34.4%
Incidentally, the average age of BGT's audience on Saturday was 42. Average age for The Voice UK's audience was 45.
Any age for the Dancing on Ice final for comparison - and Take Me Out perhaps. (And not too surprising but reports todays seem to confirm the shorter episodes of Take Me Out are due to contestants with dubias pasts being edited out!)

If you get the chance to would love to see the region by region breakdown of the 6pm news hour and whether the national news wins in the regions where the local news wins. Would also be interested to have an indication of how well the STV and UTV 10.30pm bulletins do.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:18
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Would you have "regional" figures for the 6 Nations
Is there a particular match you'd want the regional figures for?
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:22
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But haven't the previous Easter Sunday episodes been 'specials' rather than a normal epsiode - a trip to London, a trip to Blackpool etc.?
I don't know. I don't watch it very often, and when I do, I usually have no clue about what's going on.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:36
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Yep, giving them the perfect opportunity to save an episode for Easter Sunday, if they so wished.
With the double episodes being out of sync for weeks? I don't think so.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:37
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I don't know. I don't watch it very often, and when I do, I usually have no clue about what's going on.
I think the point of previous Easter episodes is that they're self contained to a point so casual viewers can get into them and it doesn't overly matter if regular viewers miss the episode.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:41
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I think the point of previous Easter episodes is that they're self contained to a point so casual viewers can get into them and it doesn't overly matter if regular viewers miss the episode.


With the double episodes being out of sync for weeks? I don't think so.
You keep mentioning the double episodes. Do only the 7.30pm episodes have cliffhangers, then?
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:46
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Tuesday 27th March Overnights
BBC One
19:30- EastEnders: 7.67m (38.4%)
20:00- Holby City: 4.54m (20.3%)
21:00- The Syndicate: 5.16m (21.6%)

ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.14m (33.9%) , +1: 211k (1.0%)

Channel 4
21:00- Big Fat Gypsy Weddings: 3.38m (14.2%) , +1: 798k (4.8%)
* 2012 overnight series average: 4.08m (16.75%)
* 2011 overnight series average: 6.42m (24.37%)


Multichannel
Sky 1
20:00- Touch: 598k (2.7%)

Sky Atlantic
21:00- Mad Men: 98k (0.41%)
21:55- Mad Men: 45k (0.26%)

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21:00- Alcatraz: 360k (1.5%)

Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary
A solid night for BBC1. EE did OK and obviously less number of people watching TV last night as the share was fine. Again same with Emmerdale, although it did record its lowest rating of the year so far. No surprise considering the mini heatwave we're having right now. The Syndicate did very well securing 5.2m, especially considering HC wasn't as strong last night. BFGW hasn't done no way near as good as last year and the hype seems to have gone after just one series despite it still been good for Channel 4.

Moving on the the multichannel ratings, Touch did well with almost 600k whilst Alcatraz is falling fast with just 360k. Can't see that episdoe topping 1m in the officials. And it doesn't deserve to either cos its rubbish! Ratings for Mad Men look very low - but I'm not sure what it used to bring in on BBC3. More than than I'm guessing!
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:52
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3.3 million wasn't stellar for the football last night, but considerably better than what ITV1 would have achieved for shows like The Biggest Loser( apt name for the flopzone). Next year on Tuesdays 22 nights on my calculations will be devoted to the ECL and the FA Cup replays, plus possibly any England friendlies or qualifiers. This will, should teams like Man U get into the ECL knockout stages or have a cup replay against someone like Liverpool, guarantee at least 5 million viewers.
Also with Corrie out of the way on Thursdays, should Liverpool do really well in the Europa League, then it could be payday on these nights and a guaranteed anti Corrie audience of young men and ABC1s.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:57
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You keep mentioning the double episodes. Do only the 7.30pm episodes have cliffhangers, then?
On Monday & Fridays the 8:30pm episodes often start with a continuation of the same scene that ended the 7:30pm episode. It looks very odd when they are shown out of sync.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:58
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Cleverdicks has not been delivering the goods either.....
From the figures I've seen Cleverdicks is performing well in the 7pm slot and its 'performance index' is very high.

The midday showings are getting roughly the same as the 7pm slot was getting the week before Cleverdicks started.
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:02
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On Monday & Fridays the 8:30pm episodes often start with a continuation of the same scene that ended the 7:30pm episode. It looks very odd when they are shown out of sync.
Sounds a bit like Neighbours in the old days, where an episode would begin with the continuation of the final scene of the previous episode, with the occasional bonus of a character vanishing from the scene between the end of one episode and the start of the next episode.
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:13
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Looks like Channel 4 aren't that stupid. They've changed the schedule and giving Celebrity Deal or No Deal an 8pm slot on Easter Sunday. With the lead-in to Homeland. They're keeping the 7pm Saturday night slot for the show but they're airing Sunday's regular episode but they're repeating that on Easter Sunday in their normal Sunday afternoon slot.
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:16
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A solid night for BBC1. EE did OK and obviously less number of people watching TV last night as the share was fine. Again same with Emmerdale, although it did record its lowest rating of the year so far. No surprise considering the mini heatwave we're having right now. The Syndicate did very well securing 5.2m, especially considering HC wasn't as strong last night. BFGW hasn't done no way near as good as last year and the hype seems to have gone after just one series despite it still been good for Channel 4.

Moving on the the multichannel ratings, Touch did well with almost 600k whilst Alcatraz is falling fast with just 360k. Can't see that episdoe topping 1m in the officials. And it doesn't deserve to either cos its rubbish! Ratings for Mad Men look very low - but I'm not sure what it used to bring in on BBC3. More than than I'm guessing!
I never could comprehend the huge ratings for BFGW. Nine miilion? FFS! Nice to see it fall down to more sensible levels. Pity it didn't drop to Channel-4-comedy levels.

The Syndicate's audience struck me as decent until I saw how poorly Holby City did, and then I became more impressed. Holby, though, needs to buck up its ideas. Just over 5m last week against a repeat of Homes From Hell. Poor. Its overnights include River City in Scotland. Does that perform better or worse than Holby City does in the rest of the UK?

And Mad Men was on BBC4. A bit too highbrow for BBC3 methinks.
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:33
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Any age for the Dancing on Ice final for comparison - and Take Me Out perhaps. (And not too surprising but reports todays seem to confirm the shorter episodes of Take Me Out are due to contestants with dubias pasts being edited out!)
Not sure what the average age for DOI's audience is - at a guess, somewhere in the 50s. TMO is most likely mid to high 30s.

If you get the chance to would love to see the region by region breakdown of the 6pm news hour and whether the national news wins in the regions where the local news wins.
On Monday 26th March:

18:00-18:30:
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	      BBC News at Six		ITV Regional News	
Total......	3.90m	26.1%		3.05m	20.3%

Border......	0.032m	18.9%		0.068m	40.2%
East of Eng	0.286m	26.5%		0.202m	18.7%
London....	0.533m	20.5%		0.365m	14.0%
Midlands	0.718m	30.9%		0.366m	15.8%
North East	0.135m	20.0%		0.150m	22.2%
North West	0.405m	26.2%		0.354m	22.9%
Scotland	0.318m	23.9%		0.430m	32.3%
South West	0.168m	38.7%		0.065m	15.0%
South & SE	0.428m	26.6%		0.336m	20.9%
Ulster.......	0.084m	18.3%		0.172m	37.5%
Wales.......	0.197m	28.3%		0.158m	22.7%
West........	0.162m	37.9%		0.060m	14.0%
Yorkshire	0.429m	26.3%		0.340m	20.8%
BBC News at Six is very popular in the Western regions of England, especially South West. ITV Regional News does poorly in those areas (West and South West). On the mainland, ITV Regional News gets its highest shares in the Border and Scotland regions. BBC1 won 9 out of the 13 regions between 6-6.30pm (only losing in Border, North East, Scotland, Ulster). Viewers from the Border region watched the most news in that half an hour with a combined 59.1% share on BBC1 and ITV1, whereas Londoners watched the least with 34.5% share.

18:30-19:00:
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	       BBC Regional News	ITV Evening News	
Total.....	4.98m	29.6%		3.19m	19.0%

Border.......	0.052m	20.7%		0.049m	19.5%
East of Eng	0.408m	30.5%		0.236m	17.6%
London.....	0.622m	21.5%		0.395m	13.7%
Midlands	0.803m	31.7%		0.388m	15.3%
North East	0.153m	16.9%		0.186m	20.5%
North West	0.386m	24.3%		0.447m	28.1%
Scotland	0.462m	30.8%		0.364m	24.3%
South West	0.196m	40.7%		0.076m	15.8%
South & SE	0.641m	34.8%		0.357m	19.4%
Ulster.......	0.117m	24.3%		0.125m	26.0%
Wales.......	0.247m	29.9%		0.180m	21.8%
West........	0.238m	44.1%		0.061m	11.3%
Yorkshire....	0.637m	34.6%		0.322m	17.5%
During 6.30-7pm, the gap between BBC1 and ITV1 widens. BBC Regional News is most popular in the West region whilst least popular in the North East. BBC Regional News has a better share than BBC Six O'Clock News in all regions apart from North West and North East. BBC Regional News beat ITV Evening News in 10 out of 13 regions (only losing in North East, North West, Ulster).

ITV Evening News is most popular in the North West and least popular in the West of England (it gets thrashed about 4 to 1 there by the BBC). What is interesting is that although between 6-6.30pm, ITV had more viewers than BBC1 in Border and Scotland, BBC1 actually beat ITV1 in those two regions during 6.30-7pm (the Border audience in particular collapsed from ITV Regional to ITV Evening News). Also quite interesting is that at 6.30-7pm, ITV went in the other direction in the North West region, beating BBC1 in that half an hour even though BBC1 beat ITV1 in the North West during 6-6.30pm.

Between 6.30-7pm, viewers in the South West of England watched the most news, with a combined BBC1+ITV1 share of 56.5%. As with the half an hour beforehand, viewers in London watched the least with a 35.2% combined share of the two channels.

Would also be interested to have an indication of how well the STV and UTV 10.30pm bulletins do.
On Monday 26th March:

ITV1 network average (22.30-23.05): 1.21m (8.4%)
Scotland Tonight (STV 22.30-23.05): 96k (7.7%)
UTV Live Tonight (UTV 22.30-23.05): 82k (15.0%)
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:48
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Sounds a bit like Neighbours in the old days, where an episode would begin with the continuation of the final scene of the previous episode, with the occasional bonus of a character vanishing from the scene between the end of one episode and the start of the next episode.
Which is what Reg Watson's Crossroads did twenty years before his Neighbours.
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Old 28-03-2012, 21:03
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Looking at DigiGuide, starting from Easter weekend the Eastenders Omnibus seems to be moving to a late night slot on Friday:

Friday 6th April - 23:30
Friday 13th April - 00:05
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Old 28-03-2012, 21:06
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Some shocking figures above for ITV local news.

It looks like viewers in the South West and Westcountry have completely rejected the new news super region (though isnt it true that especially the South West was always one where the BBC completely dominated) .

London is low, but even the BBC regional news is relatively low, suggesting that its more of a London issue.

The midlands rating is the big shock. If i remember rightly in the days of Central South and Central News East, they used to always advertise the fact that they were the areas number one news programmes (im not sure about Central News West). To go from that situation, to a situation where the BBC gets double the viewers. Again seems to show that viewers are not happy with the super regions.

Saying that, low ratings means that ITV can go to ofcom and claim that there is no market for them to show regional news.

If anyone has them, it would be interesting to see the regional breakdowns for The One Show and Emmerdale to see what impact the lead ins have on the start of the prime time programme block.
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