Originally Posted by Charnham:
“what is More 4 doing with The DailyShow, seems to have been moved to the midnight hour, from 11pm, the show just keeps getting later and later, its very worrying.”
The good news is that it looks to me as if Comedy Central are preparing to bow to pressure and take over the rights as and when they can. I think they'd be wise to just import the Daily Show/Colbert Report block to the UK channel. Part of the problem the show had on More4 is that it was always incredibly isolated on the schedule and just stuck out like a sore thumb because there was nothing remotely complementary to it on the schedule.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“better in so far as the sample will be bigger, worse in so far as they cant tell how many people are in the room but BARB probably is less than perfect as regards that too.”
The big stumbling block is that they can't actually tell if anyone is watching at all. The only data they can get is how many boxes were tuned into Atlantic in the period and not how many of those boxes were connected to televisions that were turned on.
Originally Posted by
iaindb:
“I never could comprehend the huge ratings for BFGW. Nine miilion? FFS!
Nice to see it fall down to more sensible levels. Pity it didn't drop to Channel-4-comedy levels.”
Big Fat Gypsy Wedding is one of the few genuine 'water cooler' shows of the past decade. The fact that it drove so much conversation is the only reason the ratings got so big as we're seeing now the novelty has worn off the ratings are coming back down to earth.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Channel4 must be worried about the state of their entertainment shows. Deal Or No Deal is five years past its best, Million Pound Drops ratings have halved in two years, Big Fat Gypsy Weddings has lost 2million from last year and The Bank Job can barely just get 1million viewers. They must find new hits soon, this cant just go on.”
But the real problem is that they only have themselves to blame. The way they've bungled Million Pound Drop is just staggering. Not only have they overexposed a successful format but they've managed to do it in what might very well be the worst possible slots. I'd honestly love to know what the thought process was that landed Million Pound Drop on a Friday and Saturday night. Its depressing that over the past few years Channel 4's speciality has become taking mildly successful formats and running them into the ground. And now with The Bank Job they're taking not even mildly successful formats and running them into the ground.
I half wish they'd renewed Big Brother at this point. At least that gave them some sense of structure. Right now the whole channel is just drifting and in fact all of the C4 channel's are just drifting.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“They could have done really with a Doctor Who special to fill the gap until the new series - or even delaying the Christmas Special to Easter.”
They could do with finding a third family drama for Saturday night to sit alongside Doctor Who and Merlin. Its a shame Robin Hood died (or never really got off the ground) because that would have been a brilliant trio for the BBC to run on Saturday nights throughout the year. Hopefully if The Voice holds up this year the BBC will invest in trying to find a Merlin to pair with it for series two.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“For most of the year, the US version of HBO gets significant ratings for an hour a week on a Sunday and little else!”
That's not entirely fair to HBO (and at the same time also overstates their ratings success).
Having said that it highlights the problem with creating a 'British HBO' and specifically with Sky trying to create a 'British HBO' – HBO is essentially the entire Sky platform in one package. The bulk of its content is films, concerts, comedy specials and boxing and their original scripted content is fairly limited. Sky was never going to be able to effectively replicate that because they already have Sky Movies, Sky Sports, Sky1, Sky Arts and everything else in between which left them with this weird channel that basically had no content.
Quote:
“Launching a new channel is always incredibly difficult but I don't think there's any doubt that even at lower viewing levels, Sky Atlantic has the potential to provide more value than Sky 2 or 3 or whatever had that slot before.”
Does it?
I keep coming back to this idea that there is some inherent value in Sky Atlantic as a concept and I'm not sure I see it. I think there's value in some of the content on the channel but I'm not sure that value would be decreased if it were to air on Sky1 or Sky Movies instead. Is there really a significant number of people who weren't already Sky subscribers now signing up so they can watch Game of Thrones or Mad Men?
Increasingly it seems to me as if Sky have shot themselves in the foot with Sky Atlantic. They passed on the chance to dramatically strengthen Sky1 so they could create a brand that very few people seem to care for or understand (including the people who work at Sky). There just seems to be no coherent point to Sky Atlantic. In fact it seems to me that the Sky Atlantic content could all be on demand and very few people would actually notice the difference.
Quote:
“The HBO deal didn't bring in a huge amount of original content so like any new channel, they've got to build on that and it will take a while. For a relaunch I'd go with "no ads", at least in primetime. But not before they build up a stronger line-up of original content.”
The thing is it can't possibly have come as a surprise to them that the HBO deal wasn't going to bring an avalanche of original content. They must have had some idea of how much new content they were actually buying when they signed that deal and that it wouldn't all be coming at once. Hell a quick glance at the HBO website would have told them that.
It seems to me that the glaring mistake they made with Atlantic was that they launched a brand new channel with next to no new content. If memory serves Boardwalk Empire and Blue Bloods (which was a truly bizarre choice for the channel) were the only genuinely new content they had upon launch. It just seems insane to me that anyone at Sky looked at that schedule and thought – 'this the strongest possible launch schedule for our brand new heavily promoted channel'.
And even now they still have next to no new original content on the channel.
Also for the record I don't think the unscripted content needs to go I just think they need better unscripted.