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Simon Cowell says he'll axe X Factor off his own accord rather than see it be one of those shows which overstays its welcome and keeps going down in the ratings year after year:
Maybe one way forward would be for him to launch a new show where bands and singers actually play and perform their own material with Simon as head judge. It might not be as mega, but it could do well and I would like the idea. |
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Simon Cowell says he'll axe X Factor off his own accord rather than see it be one of those shows which overstays its welcome and keeps going down in the ratings year after year:
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He says it every few years, usually when people start talking contracts (ITV only has a BGT and XF deal until next year).
Anything to strengthen his bargaining position. He knows he can't be as commercial on the BBC, he can't take the shows to Sky and limit the audience and no other commercial channel has ITV's money - so ITV hold all the cards and will be looking for a reduction in the amount they pay given lower ratings. All he can do is threaten not to run the shows at all - that'll make ITV stump up cash. |
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Funny that in the early days of the show a series would run every night for 12/13 nights. You would look back to April/May 2000 when the last time they actually had a stripped series.
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Hell's Kitchen I think could make a comeback if ITV1 could persuade Ramsay to do it again and also make it more like the US version with members of the public and weekly. Although I think with Ramsay busy in the US, with HK, Masterchef and Kitchen Nightmares plus his new show Hotel Hell, it may not be possible.
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Simon Cowell says he'll axe X Factor off his own accord rather than see it be one of those shows which overstays its welcome and keeps going down in the ratings year after year:
My guess is the truth of the situation is – I'll pull it from air as long as I have another format that will replace it. I'm sure he'd fight to keep it on air if ITV hinted they'd fill the void with a Pop Idol or Popstars revival. |
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My guess is the truth of the situation is – I'll pull it from air as long as I have another format that will replace it. I'm sure he'd fight to keep it on air if ITV hinted they'd fill the void with a Pop Idol or Popstars revival.
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There's no way they convince Ramsey to do it. I'm not even sure if he'd be allowed to – what's his deal with Channel 4 over here? Reviving Hell's Kitchen in non-celeb form isn't a terrible idea though. The problem of course is finding the right chef to anchor the whole thing... |
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Confirmation the BBC has lost the Grand National, the Derby and Royal Ascot. Quote:
Channel 4 has secured a four-year deal to broadcast the Grand National, Derby and Royal Ascot from 2013. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/17423844
The deal means Channel 4 will be the exclusive broadcaster of British racing on terrestrial television. |
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I wonder what he would've done if ITV had gained the rights for The Voice. Suddenly the singing contest in competition would be on 'his' channel. That would've made for some interesting negotiations.
January is too close to The X Factor and then its Dancing on Ice and Britain's Got Talent and the license fee and proximity to The X Factor would have made the summer a non-starter (not to mention the sport) and then its The X Factor. Presumably they would have had to shift Dancing on Ice somewhere else (maybe January or the summer) or pulled it completely to accommodate The Voice. The whole thing is just madness and would have made ITV wall-to-wall phone votes for the entire year. Anyway... To be honest I'm always slightly amazed that ITV haven't more overtly leveraged Cowell with a Pop Idol or Popstars revival when it came time to renegotiate The X Factor. It always seems like that would drive the fee down somewhat because as has been mentioned ITV is really the only viable UK home for The X Factor (and Britain's Got Talent for that matter) so Cowell really does need ITV as much as they need him. Also it just occurs to me that the only new format we've heard about as being in the works at SyCo is that awful sounding 'DJ Idol'. Have they got something completely secret up their sleeve or has Cowell genuinely lost the plot and believes that could be a big new format for him? |
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I still wonder what ITV would have done if they'd actually won the rights to The Voice – can anyone work out where they'd have scheduled it? I can't.
) and stripped the auditions/battle rounds across the following week. They could've had double eliminations like The X Factor to get numbers down quickly and have it over within the month. It would've been very messy though.
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I still wonder what ITV would have done if they'd actually won the rights to The Voice – can anyone work out where they'd have scheduled it? I can't.
January is too close to The X Factor and then its Dancing on Ice and Britain's Got Talent and the license fee and proximity to The X Factor would have made the summer a non-starter (not to mention the sport) and then its The X Factor. Presumably they would have had to shift Dancing on Ice somewhere else (maybe January or the summer) or pulled it completely to accommodate The Voice. The whole thing is just madness and would have made ITV wall-to-wall phone votes for the entire year. Anyway... To be honest I'm always slightly amazed that ITV haven't more overtly leveraged Cowell with a Pop Idol or Popstars revival when it came time to renegotiate The X Factor. It always seems like that would drive the fee down somewhat because as has been mentioned ITV is really the only viable UK home for The X Factor (and Britain's Got Talent for that matter) so Cowell really does need ITV as much as they need him. Also it just occurs to me that the only new format we've heard about as being in the works at SyCo is that awful sounding 'DJ Idol'. Have they got something completely secret up their sleeve or has Cowell genuinely lost the plot and believes that could be a big new format for him? Or maybe tried it midweek - ITV keep saying they are going to do more entertainment during the week. Mind you, they keep saying they are going to do Comedy as well and Benidorm aside haven't really got round to doing it. ITV probably never had clear plan themselves. |
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Hell's Kitchen in the US format is definitely something to look at - especially when Ramsay's C4 deal comes up. Quote:
I still wonder what ITV would have done if they'd actually won the rights to The Voice – can anyone work out where they'd have scheduled it? I can't.
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To be honest I'm always slightly amazed that ITV haven't more overtly leveraged Cowell with a Pop Idol or Popstars revival when it came time to renegotiate The X Factor. It always seems like that would drive the fee down somewhat because as has been mentioned ITV is really the only viable UK home for The X Factor (and Britain's Got Talent for that matter) so Cowell really does need ITV as much as they need him. I'm not sure that Pop Idol is a credible threat, tbh. I think it's a hard one to do after X Factor and with an entirely new team required. There's also the involvement Talkback Thames who are definitely "Team Cowell" when it comes to the two Simon's and would definitely push the case for XF over PI. Then the arrival of BGT (particularly as ITV missed that one first time) strengthens his position. Also it just occurs to me that the only new format we've heard about as being in the works at SyCo is that awful sounding 'DJ Idol'. Have they got something completely secret up their sleeve or has Cowell genuinely lost the plot and believes that could be a big new format for him? Plus, I'm not sure Syco are taking the pi*s when it comes to license fees on the shows. You look at Big Brother when Endemol got that massive deal and clearly didn't put anything significant into the production budget - the same couldn't be said for Syco in the past few years and it has paid dividends for ITV. Certainly Cowell's talent deal with ITV was never that huge. In terms of development, that DJ show isn't going anywhere. I have a feeling it won't be made. I've never been able to see where it could sit in the UK (and Cowell seems determined to limit his options to ITV1!). There's some kind of cookery show that has been mentioned a few times. But Syco have been atrocious when it comes to development in the past few years so who knows. Somehow they got through 4 years from Got Talent to Red or Black without doing anything new. Most producers follow up every hit with a deluge of new shows (most of them hideous) trying to capitalise on their initial success. It works a lot better than what Syco do (because generally, it takes a lot of swings to connect with a hit format). Tbh, I think their bigger focus might be this Nickelodeon development deal for Rachel Crow (the kid off X Factor USA) because that could open up a whole new area for them (one which Cowell has been desperate to get into for years) and it's a healthier genre that the reality format business at the moment. Whatever else they might have, I'm far from convinced that they've got X Factor 2.0 sitting on the shelf. |
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Was it ever confirmed it was ending? Or is just one unnamed source in the sun saying that their previous unnamed source was making stuff up?
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My tv guide says it was always going to be Planets Funniest Animals at 6.45 and Dancing on Ice at 7. Due to FA Cup match, semi final draw plus the news, they surely couldnt fit in the tv burp repeat this week?
It's not the first time it's ever been in primetime before, though, I remember them shoving a couple out on Saturday nights in the early noughties when the hidden camera show Hotel Getaway was a stinker and shoved at 5pm, with that after it. |
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So farewell horse racing then. A fading mass appeal sport, as evidenced by the almost continuous decline in ratings over the past 20 years. Once a 16-17m banker, everyone starts getting excited now if the National touches 9m.
It will never do so again, with the sheer weight of the BBC largely ignoring it. And if the race delivers 5-7m at peak for C4 next year, then the tabloids will see it as a declining event too. Hopefully the BBC will substantially run down their coverage next month from Aintree and the other two later in the year. Cruel sport anyway, at least when jumps are involved. Time it was banned... |
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BBC1's F1 highlights peaked with 3.2m yesterday.
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3.2m seems a decent enough afternoon re-run peak figure but I have a feeling the average was of that order in 2011
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So farewell horse racing then. A fading mass appeal sport, as evidenced by the almost continuous decline in ratings over the past 20 years. Once a 16-17m banker, everyone starts getting excited now if the National touches 9m.
It will never do so again, with the sheer weight of the BBC largely ignoring it. And if the race delivers 5-7m at peak for C4 next year, then the tabloids will see it as a declining event too. Hopefully the BBC will substantially run down their coverage next month from Aintree and the other two later in the year. Cruel sport anyway, at least when jumps are involved. Time it was banned... |
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BBC1's F1 highlights peaked with 3.2m yesterday.
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So farewell horse racing then. A fading mass appeal sport, as evidenced by the almost continuous decline in ratings over the past 20 years. Once a 16-17m banker, everyone starts getting excited now if the National touches 9m.
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Sky Sports F1 live coverage averaged 246k, peaking at 455k.
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Homeland hit a series high of 2.46m inc. +1. Great rating!
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Dancing on Ice- 7.2m/30pct and 6.0m/23.4pct, WWTBAM- 5.6m/22pct (all include plus 1)
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) and stripped the auditions/battle rounds across the following week. They could've had double eliminations like The X Factor to get numbers down quickly and have it over within the month. It would've been very messy though.

