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Hahaha. A worshipper at the altar of jobs ......
A very long rant dissing a tool that helped change the web forever...... think what the web was like before flash if you are old enough. Is it perfect? No. Far from. But its here to stay for a while at least. Sorry but the complaints about the horrible usability of "flash" websites like the two examples posted are completely valid and separate from any apple issue. Bad design can happen without flash, but with flash it exploded, seems to appeal to those who barely touch a computer themselves and just think the more animated and eye dazzling the better. It didn't change the browser, it pushed people into installing flash blocking extensions. |
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If this thing isn't selling, why is my online order not getting here until April?
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Absolute nonsense! Firstly,the pages aren't that slow considering they offer a level of interactivity and creativity. Flash sites, at least the good ones are works of art and should be admired. Secondly, you can't speak for the millions of internet users what content they do or do not like. Flash is obviously an avenue that people like to explore. I've seen some amazing flash sites, which are pure flash or a combination of html and flash, which are diverse in their content and as functional as a regular site.
Just because YOU do not like flash based websites doesn't give mean that these sites do not get an audience. Im in to photography and graphic design I have seen some stunning flash sites which are a joy to use. There are good flash sites and their are bad ones, just like any other sites. The good ones work pretty well and i've no complaints. There are even web based flash site creation tools around for people who want to create a site with a little interactivity but do not have technical know how, are able to get their content online.There is still a lot of flash around and there are people who still make good use of it without any problems. Just because Apple told you flash is crap you all go jump on the band wagon. Try thinking for yourself for a change and don't be so damn arrogant. |
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I thought most cancelled and just popped down to Currys to get one?
Th iPad seems to sell 3.5 million a month anyway so it is/was simply 'as usual'. |
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I thought most cancelled and just popped down to Currys to get one?
Th iPad seems to sell 3.5 million a month anyway so it is/was simply 'as usual'. |
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I thought most cancelled and just popped down to Currys to get one?
Th iPad seems to sell 3.5 million a month anyway so it is/was simply 'as usual'. Most would have stuck with the order. I doubt they would release figures if they all cancelled. The Apple haters just don't like the fact this has hit record breaking sales.
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Don't believe the Jobs marketing fluff.
It was done for one very simple reason: if flash was prevalent then app developers could write once, work anywhere. They would write their apps in flash and put them on the web. That would greatly diminish Apple's app store, their last great barrier to entry, it would diminish their ability to control the platform and earn a cut of every developer's income - 30% of all app sales, app ad revenue and in-app purchases is quite a lot. |
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What did I say about jobs, you think script blocking is on an ipad?
Sorry but the complaints about the horrible usability of "flash" websites like the two examples posted are completely valid and separate from any apple issue. Bad design can happen without flash, but with flash it exploded, seems to appeal to those who barely touch a computer themselves and just think the more animated and eye dazzling the better. It didn't change the browser, it pushed people into installing flash blocking extensions. |
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Quite, they need to close all the channels that could bypass their 30% cut on apps. This way they can sit on their arses and earn money from other people's work.
I don't doubt Apple are making a killing, but I think developers are probably doing pretty well out of it too. And that designer blokes website? Horrendous. |
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It is for some people who seem to be brainwashed, I have an ipad and think its absolutely brilliant, but to say it wouldnt be better with flash is quite frankly a load of tripe, I encounter sites every single day that have flash and its a pain in the ar5e, you still get people who insist they never come across flash sites though....... I call them fanboys.
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Most would have stuck with the order.
![]() This of course has nothing to do with sale quantities. Only the haters don't wait then? |
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Creativity? All the poor usability websites like those all exhibit the same "creativity", funny how that works. The mess of animation and thoughtless flashiness is so uniform there is nothing insightful or artistic about it, its just folks who don't know how the net works or don't give a damn about the end user making websites, or commanding a poor web developer to do more animations, more pop, more flashy colors! Oh the website is moving, its so high tech!! Its like some 50 year old upper management suits idea of what should be done.
What an arrogant point of view. But then what do you expect from most apple fanboys. You must have won awards for your web sites then. Care to show off how brill it is? You really seem to be dazzling us with your web development know how. |
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Don't be silly.
Most would have stuck with the order. I doubt they would release figures if they all cancelled. The Apple haters just don't like the fact this has hit record breaking sales. ![]() |
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Nice to see an Apple/ipad user who isn't totally deluded like some of these fanboys, with their, "I never even come across a flash site" nonsense. Wish they would stop making excuses for the lack of flash. It's still an integral part of the web. Even if they don't care to use a flash site, there are still html sites that incorporate elements of flash.Why would anyone be happy about lacking functionality when it comes to web browsing?? It makes no sense whatsoever!
I also get fet up with my flash plugin crashing on multiple operating systems and browsers. Although some websites are a pain at the moment without flash, there is the added benefit of not seeing those awful flash adverts when you browse on the ipad... |
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Perhaps there's a need to distinguish between the various very different uses of Flash, such as playing videos, displaying worthwhile animations, displaying adverts, and casual browser-based games.
For casual games, Flash is the de facto standard for the PC and IMHO that's very unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. |
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I loved Flash for the way it got all the ads, the ones that I never got to see because my standard setting was 'press flash button to play'.
The other ludicrous extreme was those who had the entranceway in Flash and thus lost half half their traffic. |
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wow, what can you say to that??? You must be really something then, let's see your website? crapping on people trying to do something for themselves or others whilst using a web tool that enables them to get published. That's pretty low. The beauty of the internet is that it's now accessible to people with all different abilities and interests. I think it's great that people can get creating content in a few clicks. All this end user nonsense! you some kind of techno facist? Would you rather see web technologies in the hands of a few just to appease the END USER? Are you serious?
What an arrogant point of view. But then what do you expect from most apple fanboys. You must have won awards for your web sites then. Care to show off how brill it is? You really seem to be dazzling us with your web development know how. Sorry, did you even look at the worst website lists and take note of what many of the sites had in common? The same artsy fartsy nonsense of throwing things at the screen to dazzle instead of serving the needs of the user. You think I"m an apple fanboy? Sorry that strawman shows how weak your argument is, I'm typing this reply on a pc, so you can really stop it with that line of nonsense. Bad websites are bad websites, and flash contributed to a slew of truly god awful ones. Websites are there to serve the end user. You thinking that is appeasing is pretty damned funny. Better to annoy the end user instead to show off how pretentious you are right? Yea sure no ones stopping you from making the most ridiculous website you want, no one ever said any different, but it doesn't mean we have to pretend those sites are good things, when they only exist as shrines to outsized egos. |
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Really? got any stats to back that up?
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Meanwhile many of those other people are making more money than ever, now that their apps can so easily be found by so many people.
I don't doubt Apple are making a killing, but I think developers are probably doing pretty well out of it too. And that designer blokes website? Horrendous. All that opposed to platform independent programmes using flash. I can understand a lack of flash may not be such an issue for mobile phones, but with tablets with screens with a resolution of a big laptop or even a desktop, flash will be missed, IMO.
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Yea lets see your own equivalent to google or shut up on the subject right?
Sorry, did you even look at the worst website lists and take note of what many of the sites had in common? The same artsy fartsy nonsense of throwing things at the screen to dazzle instead of serving the needs of the user. You think I"m an apple fanboy? Sorry that strawman shows how weak your argument is, I'm typing this reply on a pc, so you can really stop it with that line of nonsense. Bad websites are bad websites, and flash contributed to a slew of truly god awful ones. Websites are there to serve the end user. You thinking that is appeasing is pretty damned funny. Better to annoy the end user instead to show off how pretentious you are right? Yea sure no ones stopping you from making the most ridiculous website you want, no one ever said any different, but it doesn't mean we have to pretend those sites are good things, when they only exist as shrines to outsized egos. I'm guessing many serial killers use knives but that doesn't mean we should be limited to spoons and forks Surely this is just down to poor design and use of the tools ....... its not adobes fault! So many key sites have used (or still do) flash ...... In my opinion flash on mobiles is purely "dying out" due to jobs wanting to keep the monopoly. He basically bullied the market. I wouldn't be surprised if mobile support is extended now Android has the market share.... they already extended it for ics. |
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Although some websites are a pain at the moment without flash, there is the added benefit of not seeing those awful flash adverts when you browse on the ipad...
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So many key sites have used (or still do) flash ...... It's foolish to pretend that flash is 'bad', any more than javascript is bad, or Java is bad. They can be used in 'bad' ways, bad in this case being inelegant and clumsy websites. They can also be used in good ways. Lets balance out that "worst websites ever", with 10 of the best websites that won't work on ipads http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/best-flash-sites Museum of Me, by Intel is awesome; I've not tried the others yet. |
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Can't believe we are still having the flash site debate a year on.
Flash is finished for desktop sites despite what some say here. Nobody cares about the Ipad with no flash anymore the argument is old. |
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Well if I was after one I would not be waiting 3 weeks+ with them sitting there in the shop windows, sometimes for less.
This of course has nothing to do with sale quantities. Only the haters don't wait then? |
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Flash is finished for desktop sites despite what some say here.
edit: oh, and pepsi.com. and marlboro.com. And www.cartier.us. and the mass effect 3 site. http://masseffect.com/videos/video/7...a97b9df891115d edit edit: and samsung.com http://www.samsung.com/uk/galaxys2/?...xysii_20120125 Hmmm. very dead. edit3: last one, but quite cool regardless of the debate. http://www.bestwebdesignaward.com highlights some of the best webdesign. Not all are flash, but many are, including new ones this year. Lots of cool stuff there regardless. Oh, and the awards site itself uses Flash
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All that opposed to platform independent programmes using flash. I can understand a lack of flash may not be such an issue for mobile phones, but with tablets with screens with a resolution of a big laptop or even a desktop, flash will be missed, IMO.
