This whole iPad thing is pathetic, what's wrong with Android?

These Apple lovers need to get a life! They probably smell like Spam!

And another thing!, if there is a rich person with a spare iPad 3 please PM me.

Clearly never tried an Ipad or any tablet device.

It's not about being a fan person. The Ipad is the best tablet, first of the current generation after the first failures too.

All tech experts will tell you Ipad is better.

Don't use any of them.

BBC is 90% HTML
Sky Sports is 90% HTML
Digital spy video works on Ipad so 100% working
Google works
Youtube works via the app
Facebook works
Twitter works
Yahoo works
The Sun works 100% with Ipad
The Guardian is 100% HTML
Ebay works 100%

I'm going through all the major UK sites here.

And samsung lol..bit of a fail there of course it works they have lots of products on the market that has flash. Are people with the Ipad likely to browse it? Probably not.

Do you think the web, sorry the WORLD WIDE WEB is just limited to that list of web sites?? There is no room for anything inbetween? People are not allowed to be able to run any website that catches their attention right off the bat? Every browser/hardware/OS should be able to offer today in 2012 the ability to open and use any website.

Your argument just falls right apart there.

I hardly use any site with flash so Ipad does for me.

Keep dreaming we all miss flash because the Samsung ads have failed so far.

And as has been said flash are moving off web pages and onto other projects so soon there will be hardly any flash sites. What will you say when 90% of the web is flash free?

(I'm glad websites don't go all flash these days to be honest remember using it in a web design course. Not my cup of tea. It was cool in 2003 when people use to play games on it. Sites always had the slow loading... before all the links loaded. Same said for Java there's very little of that around now too).

When 90% of the web is flash free, nothing changes, whatever devices are out there at the time, whatever Operating systems are being used, they need to be able to offer the user 100% functionality with what is out there on the web. Ipad/iphone dropped flash a long time ago and have left their users unable to enjoy the web to the fullest. That is just not acceptable. Flash with die out just like all other technologies do, thats not the issue here and you know it. It's about one company trying to stop you from viewing the full internet, offering you a limited experience. What is worse is their justification for doing so, with the flash is dead line. You and I both know that is just not true.

Do you now understand why people have a problem with Apple's ethics here?

Has it? Maybe, but remember only a year or two back Apple followers were saying how badly Android were doing and now Android is the No1 selling phone platform in the world for smart phones.

There is room for Android and Apple in my humble opinion.

I'm waiting until later this year for a W8 tablet

Its so silly flash is now dead on the mobile market.

Sorry but your opinion is in the minority luckily.

Monopoly? Wow dude..wow, talk about a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation, flash WAS THE MONOPOLY. I suppose you think steve jobs controls html 5

You complaining about jobs, monopoly then ignoring the fact that html 5 is an open format, that kind of says it all about how the hatred for apple distorts all reality.

So you can't see 10% of it? That's pretty poor isn't it? Why is the BBC producing 10% of their output in Flash if it's dead. Answer, it's not dead. The BBC put out a Flash powered site earlier this year in fact. Look:
http://www.bbcworldwide.com/ricky/
(Yes, I know you're not interested in it and don't miss it on your toy, but that's not the point. Companies are using it on websites still. The 'major UK sites' Sticking your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist is rather childish, don't you think)


Gmail uses flash in parts, for example.


what about this page?
http://www.youtube.com/easportspl



Lots of FB games use flash. Of course you don't play them, living in a parallel universe in which Flash sites don't exist


Oh I don't doubt it, for the average, low bandwidth, non-swishy site there's no need for Flash. I would go as far to say, I don't doubt that some people are able to go through their common bookmarks and not encounter Flash. That doesn't mean that promotional sites are Flash-free though. Do you really think if Flash was dead, something as major as the Mass Effect 3 launch would be using it still?

(Guardian has some though, it was from a while back so I didn't include it. They've not updated their pages that have Flash though )


No, you're going through your bookmarks, many of which use Flash in 2012, which you claim you've never ever missed


You seem to have got your arguments confused. It isn't about whether it 'works', its the fact that major websites, from major companies, are still using Flash. It's not dead, it's not abandoned, it's right there, right now, leaving an iOS user with a less than complete internet experience.

Really? Ricky?

I'm sure any big organization takes a while to turn around, and has units that will take a while to change, but flash is going to slowly die...its just how it is.

The reason was it makes devices slow and crashes I think. If it improves the usability I'm all for it. People who really require flash can buy alternatives so I don't have any problem with Apple not having flash. There's a few apps that I can use on my Ipad that has flash if needed. Perhaps some should try them before moaning?

Well in response to that there's a BBC Iplayer app for Ipad which is very good. Just looks as good as flash.

And it's partly due to Ipad and HTML5 being popular. That's just how it is. In a few years we will be taking about if Ipad had allowed flash would it still be around.

Still missing the point, are you looking at the sites I'm linking for you? The app doesn't do what the site does. However it is very strongly related Why not check it out then comment.

What's wrong with the example of a new promotional site created by the BBC, in Flash?


Oh no doubt. I don't think anyone is expecting flash to be around in 5 years time. I'm sure if you look at that "best designed websites" page, you'll see an increasing number of new technologies as it gets more recent. The point is, plenty of sites/companies/people ARE still putting out content in Flash, and probably will next year, and possibly the year after that, meaning having that content inaccessible on an iPad browser is an issue for some.

Same reason BBC are trialing Super HD:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...-coverage.html

Plus the Iplayer on xbox. They like to try all platforms.

Good policy. The Iplayer site looks good whatever it's on though.

Good lord! what are people using?? an intel 486 pre 1994 with 28.8k modem?????

Flash has worked fine for the past decade for me. I really don't understand this flash doesn't work nonsense. Aside from a few badly made sites lacking optimization with certain browsers over the years, i've never encountered any major problems. Even on my phone i can play flash content even over the choppy performance of 3g and it's still decent enough. In fact I used to use the old shock machine web application which used flash made games and cartoons etc and played over my 56k connection albeit with a delay whilst the content loaded.

Today in 2012, flash loads in an instant, as most of us have at least 2mb download speeds and above! and a decent enough spec pc, smartphone or tablet (provided it's not made by Apple, do not have major problems playing flash)

Please stop with the Steve Jobs rhetoric, It's getting boring now. Flash is going nowhere fast. Accept it.

But even Adobe are stopping development of Flash player on mobile devices - it hardly sounds promising for Flash in the future if the company that makes it is stopping support on it.

Why would we want Flash to continue anyway?

apart from the bbc site which has a mobile version, who would want to go on any of those other sites at any time, particularly on a mobile phone?

the same with the top 10 list of flash sites. i've never been on any. who wants to go on a website about milk?

but as has been mentioned before you can view flash sites on an iphone/ipad a number of ways if you really wanted to

I often want to visit a website about milk

You can't ignore the huge number of casual browser-based Flash games.

The days are numbered for Flash, and I've been blocking it (or enabling it on demand) for years. But my/our experiences are not necessarily representative of all users.

But some people like it - my ex wife has an iPad 2, and recently asked me to suggest a netbook for her - primarily for flash based on-line gaming! We'd bought our son an N570 based netbook for Christmas, and its overall performance has convinced her that a netbook is the way forward for her.

My kids and the ex g/f (and her daughter) all seem to love flash gaming. Doesn't really make much sense, but I'm not going to argue the point with them.

Nor can you ignore the fact that Flash is on the way out. Heck, even Adobe have stopped support for mobile Flash. Flash remains probably one of the main causes of crashing on OSX, and so that, along with its natural decline, was a big reason iOS doesn't support it.

So when you buy an iOS device, there's a compromise - no Flash, but arguably other pluses. If people are actually bothered about playing particular browser based Flash games (even though there are hundreds of free or very cheap games for iOS devices, don't get an iOS device). Given the success of iOS devices, its difficult to argue that Apple have gotten it that wrong.

With most sites, such as the BBC, you can just use an app to view video. And its probably noteworthy that YouTube, the world's biggest video based site has ditched Flash based video.

So whilst Flash may remain for some time, lets's not pretend its for anything much other than niche, unnecessary things that increasingly and overwhelmingly have non Flash based alternatives anyway.

Well yes, anyone wanting to develop software for Apple devices needs to be able to develop software, and have something they can test their software on. That's not exactly anything new.

Apple aren't going to be making much money from anyone who doesn't make much money from their software.

With Flash based games, not every Flash based game is Farmyard, any more than every iOS game is Angry Birds.

The fact is that through the App store far more Apps are more immediately accessible to more people, than they were when they were only available on developers own sites, or specialist sites on the web.

What about the thousands of great app games for IPad far superior to flash games? If you have an iPad why would you even want to play flash games?