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A-Z of Horse Racing (Part 2)
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jmclaugh
29-07-2012
Tatler Handicap.
allaorta
29-07-2012
Originally Posted by Big Dipper:
“Sly, Pamela Marigold - became the first British woman to train an English Classic winner when Speciosa made all in the 2006 1,000 Guineas.”

I've never met Pam but I know or have met some of the Slys one of whom (Derek) she married and subsequently divorced though I know that certainly up to a few years ago he still helped her with the horses. She's a quite remarkable woman who has suffered arthritis for a number of years but carries on despite her difficulties.

Ulysses by James Joyce which features a story about the Ascot Gold Cup.
allaorta
30-07-2012
Vindicated....American horse from a few years back.
jmclaugh
30-07-2012
West Sussex.
allaorta
30-07-2012
Untried over a mile in West Sussex.
allaorta
31-07-2012
Vestal Virgin....South African horse.
jmclaugh
31-07-2012
Avoiding X allaorta!

Extraordinary, a mare who failed to live up to her name finishing last on her only start.
allaorta
31-07-2012
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Avoiding X allaorta!”

Yes, apologies, don't know what came over me but it wasn't winners at Goodwood, only three at the moment.

York Ebor meeting.
Big Dipper
31-07-2012
Zipadeedoodah - 1979 filly by Kaskaskia.

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah is a song from the 1946 Walt Disney film Song of the South. I suggest that the lyric contains one of the worst rhymes in musical history, like so:

Mister Bluebird on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actch'll
Ev'rything is satisfactch'll
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!


I rest my case.
allaorta
31-07-2012
Ardent Spy....pretty hopeless chaser from the eighties.
allaorta
01-08-2012
Buisson Ardent....classy fifties horse who became a top breeding sire.
jmclaugh
01-08-2012
A Certainty as in today's Sussex in which the £8,500 prize money for fifth place isn't even being contested.

I do wonder why Cecil bothered with this race, should have stepped him up to 10f after Ascot.
allaorta
01-08-2012
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“I do wonder why Cecil bothered with this race, should have stepped him up to 10f after Ascot.”

It wasn't a race just a work-out but I agree with you about the lack of competition for prize money. Joe Mercer was interviewed on Channel 4 and whilst he recognised Frankel as a great horse, he wouldn't go so far as saying he would have beaten Brigadier Gerard but he did say he didn't think Frankel would stay a mile and a half. I think Frankel has both the class and the pace to be successful and top class at a mile and a half and I have no doubt he would have beaten Brigadier Gerard, good as he was.

Danehill....his grandad.
Big Dipper
01-08-2012
Put me down as another who thinks Frankel should have stepped up to 10f by now.

However I defer to the experience of a man who has trained the winners of 36 Classics and over 400 Group races.
Big Dipper
01-08-2012
Eleanor - in 1801 became the first filly to win the Derby and the first to complete the Derby/Oaks double.
allaorta
02-08-2012
Frankel .....I can't think of a big mile and a quarter race between Ascot and the Juddmonte. It'll be interesting to see if O'Brien tilts at him in the Juddmonte, perhaps with a certain 3 year old who will have a serious weight advantage at the time of year when it counts. Question is, would the O'Brien camp risk defeat?
allaorta
02-08-2012
Gladiateur...top French owned but British trained Triple Crown winner long before even I was born.
jmclaugh
02-08-2012
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“I can't think of a big mile and a quarter race between Ascot and the Juddmonte.”

The Eclipse, which Brigadier Gerard won in a bog after winning the Prince of Wales at Ascot and then went on to win the King George.

Quote:
“It'll be interesting to see if O'Brien tilts at him in the Juddmonte, perhaps with a certain 3 year old who will have a serious weight advantage at the time of year when it counts. Question is, would the O'Brien camp risk defeat?”

Great as would be to see Camelot take on Frankel he's going for the Leger so it makes little sense to run him over 10f, AOB may run St Nicholas Abbey though.

The Joe Mercer interview was very interesting and he was very keen on Kris who is an underrated miler. While Frankel is brilliant I also wouldn't like to say he's better than the Brigadier who simply sauntered past a certain Mill Reef to win the Guineas by 3 lengths.

Halling the last horse to win back to back Eclipses and also won the Juddmonte at York.
Big Dipper
02-08-2012
Iroquois - in 1881 became the first American-bred colt to win the Derby and the third of 5 winners in the race for Fred Archer.
allaorta
02-08-2012
Jenny Candish.
Big Dipper
03-08-2012
Kastrup - in 1974 the first winner of the Coral Golden Hurdle Final (now the Pertemps Final) at the Cheltenham Festival.

Named after a suburb of Copenhagen where the city's airport is located.
jmclaugh
03-08-2012
Longchamp where it is possible Frankel may make an appearance in the Prix du Moulin.
Big Dipper
03-08-2012
Marske -1750 colt by Squirt and the sire of Eclipse.

Named after the village of Marske near Richmond in North Yorkshire where he was foaled.
jmclaugh
03-08-2012
Nassau Stakes named from the friendship between the 5th Duke of Richmond who owned Goodwood and members of the Dutch Royal House of Orange-Nassau. Established in 1840 for 3yo fillies it was originally run over a mile, then a mile and a half and then to its present distance in 1911. It was opened up to older fillies in 1975.
allaorta
04-08-2012
Orchestra....decent horse from the fifties.
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