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He penalised Italy 10 times whilst only giving 2 penalties against Ireland...both against Sexton. He gave Ireland the perfect platform. All they had to do then was touch the ball down for 7 tries.
Owens has a history of being a bit lenient on Munster in particular, but also Ireland. He's not called O'wens for nothing ![]() |
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#2752 |
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And are you saying there weren't penalties or what?
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Loved the match on Sunday... especially how the petulant Farrell was rattled once again... still failing to see where this has ever actually happened and caused a problem. From memory he was yellow carded against Italy last year but that's been about it... people just love to hate him, thankfully for England he loves to play his best when under the most pressure.
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#2754 |
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The shocking thing is even though France have been as awful as you say they are still on the same points as 2 other teams at the top going into the final game.
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#2755 |
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Loved the match on Sunday... especially how the petulant Farrell was rattled once again... still failing to see where this has ever actually happened and caused a problem. From memory he was yellow carded against Italy last year but that's been about it... people just love to hate him, thankfully for England he loves to play his best when under the most pressure.
He was a model of composure and has been rightly commended for it. The lad had one of, if not his best game in an England shirt. However, this has not always been the case with young Owen. He has got involved in quite a few silly altercations so far in his career. I don't mind him being abrasive in defence as long as it is legal but the off the ball stuff isn't very clever. Anything that risks 10 minutes in the bin for the fly half really isn't very sensible. I'm seriously hoping that he has turned a corner after showing that he is a far better player when he concentrates on game management first and foremost. Also, he doesn't always play his best under pressure. This is a common misconception. He has done some braindead things when under the spotlight and I'm not referring to any niggle. His passing has crumbled, he has missed kicks (both from ground and hand) and his decision making has been suspect. All these things are showing signs of improvement though and he may just make a top quality 10 if he continues to progress as he is. |
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#2756 |
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Who is suggesting that Farrell was petulant/rattled on Sunday?
He was a model of composure and has been rightly commended for it. The lad had one of, if not his best game in an England shirt. is. |
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#2757 |
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I think that was his point - Farrell went against what the critics believe.
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same starting XV for England
England: M Brown (Harlequins); J Nowell (Exeter), L Burrell (Northampton), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester), J May (Gloucester); O Farrell (Saracens), D Care (Harlequins); J Marler (Harlequins), D Hartley (Northampton), D Wilson (Bath), J Launchbury (Wasps), C Lawes (Northampton), T Wood (Northampton), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Morgan (Gloucester). Replacements: T Youngs (Leicester), M Vunipola (Saracens), H Thomas (Sale), D Attwood (Bath), T Johnson (Exeter), L Dickson (Northampton), G Ford (Bath), M Tuilagi (Leicester). |
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#2759 |
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same starting XV for England
England: M Brown (Harlequins); J Nowell (Exeter), L Burrell (Northampton), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester), J May (Gloucester); O Farrell (Saracens), D Care (Harlequins); J Marler (Harlequins), D Hartley (Northampton), D Wilson (Bath), J Launchbury (Wasps), C Lawes (Northampton), T Wood (Northampton), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Morgan (Gloucester). Replacements: T Youngs (Leicester), M Vunipola (Saracens), H Thomas (Sale), D Attwood (Bath), T Johnson (Exeter), L Dickson (Northampton), G Ford (Bath), M Tuilagi (Leicester). I still think this is going to be a difficult game for us. We may/hopefully be able to pull away a little bit as the Italians hopefully tire but it won't be a landslide. |
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I agree it will be tough, I'm not expecting a try-fest cricket score result.
The last two times England have played Italy were difficult hard fought matches. I think we should do enough to win the match, but not by enough to worry Ireland ahead of their title deciding match against France. |
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Hope Joe Marler becomes a dad before Saturday as he's been a lot better than Vunipola in the scrums this Six Nations.
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Agree, with the way France have been going I can't see anything more than Ireland winning the championship.
Which over the course of the 5 games is probably about right; England did well to overpower them and close them out at home but in Ireland I'm not sure we'd have managed it. Slightly frustrating but for 2 lucky/unlucky bounces we'd have beaten the French but who knows how that would have effected us going forward. |
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Agree, with the way France have been going I can't see anything more than Ireland winning the championship.
Which over the course of the 5 games is probably about right; England did well to overpower them and close them out at home but in Ireland I'm not sure we'd have managed it. Slightly frustrating but for 2 lucky/unlucky bounces we'd have beaten the French but who knows how that would have effected us going forward. The French are lethal when they have no one believing in them. If Ireland think they only have to turn up in Paris to win they are mad and I don't think for a second their coaches would allow them to believe that. Would I put a bet on Ireland winning in Paris. Not on your life. |
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I guess history is also against the Irish, with only one win in 40 year away to France.
It's hard to know which France will turn up, but I'm slightly siding with Ireland |
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more team news
Wales: Liam Williams (Scarlets); Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro), George North (Northampton Saints); Dan Biggar (Ospreys), Mike Phillips (Racing Metro); Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Rhodri Jones (Scarlets), Luke Charteris (Perpignan), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys), Dan Lydiate (Racing Metro), Sam Warburton (Cardiff Blues, capt), Taulupe Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons). Replacements: Richard Hibbard (Ospreys), Paul James (Bath Rugby), Adam Jones (Ospreys), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Rhodri Williams (Scarlets), Rhys Priestland (Scarlets), James Hook (Perpignan). France: B Dulin; Y Huget, M Bastareaud, G Fickou, M Medard; R Tales, M Machenaud; T Domingo, D Szarzewski, N Mas, P Pape (cpt), Y Maestri, L Picamoles, A Lapandry, D Chouly. Replacements: G Guirado, V Debaty, R Slimani, A Flanquart, S Vahaamahina, W Lauret, JM Doussain, M Mermoz. Ireland: R Kearney (Leinster); A Trimble (Ulster), B O'Driscoll (Leinster), G D'Arcy (Leinster), D Kearney (Leinster); J Sexton (Racing Metro 92), C Murray (Munster); C Healy (Leinster), R Best (Ulster), M Ross (Leinster); D Toner (Leinster), P O'Connell (Munster); P O'Mahony (Munster), C Henry (Ulster), J Heaslip (Leinster). Replacements: S Cronin (Leinster), J McGrath (Leinster), M Moore (Leinster), I Henderson (Ulster), J Murphy (Leinster), E Reddan (Leinster), I Madigan (Leinster), F McFadden (Leinster) Scotland: S Hogg (Glasgow Warriors); D Fife (Edinburgh), A Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), M Scott (Edinburgh), M Evans (Castres); D Weir (Glasgow Warriors); G Laidlaw (Edinburgh); R Grant (Glasgow Warriors), S Lawson (Newcastle), G Cross (Edinburgh), R Gray (Castres), J Hamilton (Montpellier), R Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), K Brown (Saracens, capt), D Denton (Edinburgh). Replacements: R Ford (Edinburgh), A Dickinson (Edinburgh), E Murray (Worcester), T Swinson (Warriors), A Strokosch (Perpignan), C Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), D Taylor (Saracens), J Cuthbert (Edinburgh). |
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Hope Joe Marler becomes a dad before Saturday as he's been a lot better than Vunipola in the scrums this Six Nations.
Mako isn't a bad back up |
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final bit of team news
Italy: L McLean (Treviso); A Esposito (Treviso), M Campagnaro (Treviso), G Garcia (Zebre), L Sarto (Zebre); L Orquera (Zebre), T Tebaldi (Ospreys); M Aguero (Zebre), L Ghiraldini (Treviso), L Cittadini (Treviso), Q Geldenhuys (Zebre), M Bortolami (Zebre), J Furno (Biarritz), R Barbieri (Treviso), S Parisse (Stade Francais). Replacements: D Giazzon (Zebre), M Rizzo (Treviso), A De Marchi (Treviso), G Biagi (Zebre), P Derbyshire (Treviso), E Gori (Treviso), T Allan (Perpignan), A Masi (Wasps). |
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#2768 |
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I just got what your post meant, didn't realise his baby was due now
Mako isn't a bad back up |
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I guess history is also against the Irish, with only one win in 40 year away to France.
It's hard to know which France will turn up, but I'm slightly siding with Ireland If Ireland manage to beat France where we failed to win, then as far as I'm concerned, they're worthy 6Ns winners. If France pull it out of the bag, then that's great news for England...assuming we beat Italy. Allez les bleus!! |
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Mako is handy in the loose but he isn't a great scrummager as yet. Marler has come on leaps and bounds with the new scrum engage.
Interesting moves by Gatland, with Jenkins being under pressure but this cap being a record I think the fact it's Scotland they're playing came into the reckoning.. also, typical of Gatland to take an under pressure player, replace everyone around him as if to tell him that he's confident in him, could be a very astute move. I can see Wales pumping Scotland but I think it'll be a bandaid and may hide the bigger issues. |
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Hasn't Mako had one bad game in the scrum and that was against Australia for the Lions when it was mostly reffing anyway...? I don't think Sarries starting props tend be known for being bad scrummagers, and he's against 2nd choice props for Italy anyway so I'm not overly worried.
Interesting moves by Gatland, with Jenkins being under pressure but this cap being a record I think the fact it's Scotland they're playing came into the reckoning.. also, typical of Gatland to take an under pressure player, replace everyone around him as if to tell him that he's confident in him, could be a very astute move. I can see Wales pumping Scotland but I think it'll be a bandaid and may hide the bigger issues. Also you mention that Sarries props are not bad scrummagers but have you forgotten about Matt Stevens? I'm not overly worried but a lot of scrum issues are decided on referees interpretations so if Mako can hold his side up legally, we should be ok. Wales should win...10-15 points at least. Even without 1/2p. |
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I thought I heard Marler was definitely ruled out?
Only heard this week he was due to be a father, he's awful young- though you wouldn't think it looking at him, he'd easily pass for 30 |
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Farewell BOD ya legend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNG4HdnVrYQ ... Winning the championship tomorrow would be the perfect sendoff.
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I wouldn't right the French off. The French were one penalty off of wining the world cup when they had been pretty awful for most of the tournament.
The French are lethal when they have no one believing in them. If Ireland think they only have to turn up in Paris to win they are mad and I don't think for a second their coaches would allow them to believe that. Would I put a bet on Ireland winning in Paris. Not on your life. |
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Looks like for once PSA has picked his best side available to him
Finding it harder to call the closer it gets. |
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