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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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richie4eva
15-03-2014
Originally Posted by Stunty:
“Wales do need a strong pair of half backs. The game is controlled from those positions and none of the present selections do that, and Phillips slow delivery is a real problem.

I have always championed James Hook, he has natural flair, handling and kicking skills, it's just Warren Gatland has a blind spot when it comes to Hook. Do hope he saw that wonderfully adept off-load to North, then the kick through that made the try, and he's a trusted kicker. How he rates Priestland above him is beyond belief.”

Priestland and Hook should be the first choices going to South Africa, will be interesting to see who Gatland gets in as backup for those two

Phillips has had his day now
Last Request
15-03-2014
Originally Posted by tealady:
“What decade are you stuck in?”

The current one.
irishfeen
15-03-2014
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“D'oh, what a time to be poorly - poor irishfeen!
I just realised we have the same username name in different languages!
'Feen' means a 'lad' doesn't it? Or something like that?”

Aye yeah - a "Feen" is Cork slang for a lad so we the same
irishfeen
15-03-2014
I forgot in all the excitement earlier to say fair play to England for their effort in pushing us all the way ... Ireland and England have been on a totally different level to the rest in this championship, I said after the Eng v Ire match that one of the two would win it and that prediction was never in doubt.

This championship has set it up lovely for next year.. both could potentially peak together and fight out the 6 nations tooth and nail - and then of course there is the RWC, both Ireland and England showed how they can compete with NZ... England ran them close and we should have beat them in Dublin.

RWC Final of Ireland v England anyone? - now that would be a sight to behold


And finally - Major respect to Stuart Lancaster, its easy to show respect in victory but its shear class in defeat.

Quote:
“England head coach Stuart Lancaster acclaimed Ireland's coronation as RBS 6 Nations champions as the perfect way to mark Brian O'Driscoll's international retirement.

A 52-11 victory over Italy at the Stadio Olimpico kept England in title contention until
the Irish edged France 22-20 in a heart-stopping climax to the tournament in Paris.
Lancaster views Ireland as worthy champions and was delighted for O'Driscoll, the world's most capped player, who participated in the final Test of a stellar 15-year career.

"Credit to Ireland. They are deserved winners and it's a fitting finale and send-off for Brian O'Driscoll, a legend of the game who everyone in this squad respects massively," Lancaster said.

"We always knew this was going to be one of the tightest Six Nations and that it would go down to the wire."”

AIdan Rules
15-03-2014
Congrats to Ireland. The game between them and France was a cracker. My heart was in my mouth when they went to TMO for the forward pass try at the end.
Chris1347
15-03-2014
Originally Posted by tealady:
“What decade are you stuck in?”

So true, England are anything but cocky!
tealady
15-03-2014
Originally Posted by AIdan Rules:
“Congrats to Ireland. The game between them and France was a cracker. My heart was in my mouth when they went to TMO for the forward pass try at the end.”

Dunno why he took so long. Even in real time, it looked forward and one replay was enough to see it was but he wanted a number before commiting himself.
Nick2008
15-03-2014
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“I forgot in all the excitement earlier to say fair play to England for their effort in pushing us all the way ... Ireland and England have been on a totally different level to the rest in this championship, I said after the Eng v Ire match that one of the two would win it and that prediction was never in doubt.

This championship has set it up lovely for next year.. both could potentially peak together and fight out the 6 nations tooth and nail - and then of course there is the RWC, both Ireland and England showed how they can compete with NZ... England ran them close and we should have beat them in Dublin.

RWC Final of Ireland v England anyone? - now that would be a sight to behold


And finally - Major respect to Stuart Lancaster, its easy to show respect in victory but its shear class in defeat.”

Congrats to Ireland. Worthy winners in Paris where England failed. Pleased for BOD...amazing career with so many highs and wonderful memories he has given to so many fans around the world.

Small margins though. England undone by the bounce of the ball and a little bit of brilliance against France. Missed out on a few points against Scotland and Italy which could have made the difference but it has been a largely positive tournament for England so I'm still pretty happy. We're playing some positive rugby, looking to move the ball through the hands from deep. Pleasing to see, but we need to tidy it up and work on accuracy as well as some scrum issues.

Hats off to Lancaster. He is a very likeable bloke and he has worked very hard to change the team ethic for England. Sincere and classy. Still think he needs to review the sub policy though. It backfired against France and didn't help against Italy. I get the feeling he just wanted to bring the whole bench on considering the match was done and dusted but it disrupted the team. Only Tuilagi made a positive impact and he came on for the wrong player. It's best to get these things ironed out now than a must win match in the RWC so as long as he learns from it, it's all good.

Mixed tournament for Wales. A couple of very disappointing results in between good and mediocre ones. If Gatland embraced a more expansive game plan along with the direct running from big ball carriers, you get the feeling that Wales would be very hard to stop. That is their problem though so I'm not gonna worry about that.

That RWC group is going to be something else though!

Congrats again to Ireland. They need to blood some new players soon and BOD's boots are going to be very difficult to fill. D'Arcy and POC are getting on too but under Schmidt (superb coach), I think they can push on to even greater things.

I've thoroughly enjoyed this 6Ns! Some matches may have been a little one sided on the scoreboards but the winners of those matches have deserved it and some other matches have been decided by the tiniest of margins.

Great stuff!
gemma-the-husky
16-03-2014
I watched the relevant games today, and was very impressed with the intensity

I still struggle to understand why in RU they transfer possession so readily. the don't do that in RL or NFL

so many times it comes back to bite them when teams recycle and score in the last possession.

Ireland nearly threw it away close to the end.
Eurostar
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“I forgot in all the excitement earlier to say fair play to England for their effort in pushing us all the way ... Ireland and England have been on a totally different level to the rest in this championship, I said after the Eng v Ire match that one of the two would win it and that prediction was never in doubt.

This championship has set it up lovely for next year.. both could potentially peak together and fight out the 6 nations tooth and nail - and then of course there is the RWC, both Ireland and England showed how they can compete with NZ... England ran them close and we should have beat them in Dublin.

RWC Final of Ireland v England anyone? - now that would be a sight to behold


And finally - Major respect to Stuart Lancaster, its easy to show respect in victory but its shear class in defeat.”

England should have won the Grand Slam. They were far superior to France in Paris but somehow threw the match away at the end.

But nobody will begrudge the Irish a Six Nations win, especially with it being O'Driscoll's last ever game.
Welsh-lad
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by tealady:
“What decade are you stuck in?”

Yes quite. England has been gracious in both victory and defeat this year, and everyone I've heard has been very fair and goodwilled.

The only one who can't help himself is John Inverdale, but then he is the ArchNobhead of Nobville.

England and Ireland were a cut above everyone else throughout, which made for a gripping finale, even though they were playing different teams.
Welsh-lad
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“.

But nobody will begrudge the Irish a Six Nations win, especially with it being O'Driscoll's last ever game.”

... and of course for being the best, of which only the final tally can be the arbiter.
clara28
16-03-2014
The UK edition of the Sunday Times leads with 'England denied as France gift Six Nations crown to O'Driscoll'

G is for 'gift', g is also for 'grapes', of the sour variety Stephen Jones.

Funnily enough the Irish edition says 'O'Driscoll gets perfect send-off as Ireland beat France to win title'
Welsh-lad
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“The UK edition of the Sunday Times leads with 'England denied as France gift Six Nations crown to O'Driscoll'

G is for 'gift', g is also for 'grapes', of the sour variety Stephen Jones.”

Bad journalism. Wouldn't wipe my arse with the Sunday Times anyway.
Eurostar
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“The UK edition of the Sunday Times leads with 'England denied as France gift Six Nations crown to O'Driscoll'

G is for 'gift', g is also for 'grapes', of the sour variety Stephen Jones.

Funnily enough the Irish edition says 'O'Driscoll gets perfect send-off as Ireland beat France to win title'”

Not sure what he means by "gift" : France made it really hard for Ireland and nearly snatched it at the end (and he's ignoring the fact that England could have been masters of their own destiny with more points against Italy).
Bahtat
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Look at their lil faces - overjoyed ”

Pass me the bucket.
The Wulfrunian
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“The UK edition of the Sunday Times leads with 'England denied as France gift Six Nations crown to O'Driscoll'

G is for 'gift', g is also for 'grapes', of the sour variety Stephen Jones.

Funnily enough the Irish edition says 'O'Driscoll gets perfect send-off as Ireland beat France to win title'”

The rugby section in the Sunday Times is beyond awful. Jones is just an old fashioned WUM, particularly against the English, and Stuart Barnes still carries the persecution complex from England clearly not appreciating his skills as a player quite as much as he did.
Cheetah666
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“The UK edition of the Sunday Times leads with 'England denied as France gift Six Nations crown to O'Driscoll'

G is for 'gift', g is also for 'grapes', of the sour variety Stephen Jones.

Funnily enough the Irish edition says 'O'Driscoll gets perfect send-off as Ireland beat France to win title'”

Always makes me laugh when the London media do that. Pathetic, two faced idiots.
platelet
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by clara28:
“The UK edition of the Sunday Times leads with 'England denied as France gift Six Nations crown to O'Driscoll'”

In a way, you've got to admire a headline that will

Piss the Irish off by implying it was gifted to them
Piss the French off by implying they handed it over without a fight
Piss the Scots and Welsh off by ignoring them completely
Piss the English off by making us look like sore losers.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't go with England celebrate their glorious triple crown win with 50 point exhibition game - Maybe saving that one for the Sun
Smiley433
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Who was the scottish player stretchered off after the final whistle, visible during the on pitch interviews?”

I think it was Max Evans, but I'm struggling to find any mention of it in the post-match reports as they are, rightly, concentrating on Ireland's win and BOD's send-off.

If you look at the iplayer recording at 2:01:00 during the final scrum before the clock goes red, Cusiter takes a quick free kick and hands the ball on to Evans. Evans goes tearing off into Warbuton, who I think picks up his shoulder injury at the same time, and is left laying on the ground once the ball is recycled.

At game time 80:10 you see the physio laying next to the player signalling for a stretcher.

Can't think of anyone else it could be.
irishfeen
16-03-2014
RTÉ (Irish Television) coverage of the final few moments in the match yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFBg5NJCtSo still music to my ears
misslibertine
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by Smiley433:
“I think it was Max Evans, but I'm struggling to find any mention of it in the post-match reports as they are, rightly, concentrating on Ireland's win and BOD's send-off.

If you look at the iplayer recording at 2:01:00 during the final scrum before the clock goes red, Cusiter takes a quick free kick and hands the ball on to Evans. Evans goes tearing off into Warbuton, who I think picks up his shoulder injury at the same time, and is left laying on the ground once the ball is recycled.

At game time 80:10 you see the physio laying next to the player signalling for a stretcher.

Can't think of anyone else it could be.”

This says it's Max - http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...oto/478906369#
Smiley433
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“This says it's Max - http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...oto/478906369#”

Thanks for that. Have just watched the post-match press questions on the SRU site and there's no mention of Evans there as they pretty much concentrate on the Hogg red card. No mention of Evans on their Twitter account either so I can only assume it's not a major issue.

Hope Tim Visser is back next season and that Ross Ford has found his throwing hands again (or we can find a suitable replacement) as I think his lack of accuracy has led to a lot of lost opportunities and lost possession.
Michael_Eve
16-03-2014
Originally Posted by platelet:
“In a way, you've got to admire a headline that will

Piss the Irish off by implying it was gifted to them
Piss the French off by implying they handed it over without a fight
Piss the Scots and Welsh off by ignoring them completely
Piss the English off by making us look like sore losers.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't go with England celebrate their glorious triple crown win with 50 point exhibition game - Maybe saving that one for the Sun”

Nice one. I'm Welsh, and would just like to say after catching up on the post match stuff, Stuart Lancaster is a class act. Don't care about the 'Murdoch' press. Oh, and hope the Ireland fans haven't got too much of a banging hangover today.
Kierenj
16-03-2014
Awesome 6N, whichever way the Ireland game ended would have meant a team topping the table on points difference from the team that actually beat it. Just shows how important home and away advantage is.

Credit to Ireland and England, both teams played superb stuff through the 6N and were a class apart. Really pleased for BOD to go out winning away again, he's a class apart.

Ireland have got to be hoping POC keeps taking what he's taking to last one more year, he's a difference maker. Sexton is very underrated (outside of Ireland), and he and Farrell are very similar.

I can only see Wales going one way, North, 1/2p and Davies remain class but no halfbacks, an ageing pack/front row does not bode well. Could be a difficult world cup.
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