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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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david1955
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“As a Wasps fan I think it's a terrible move for supporters. I understand that the club needed to have a viable ground which could provide stability for our long term future, I just think that upping sticks and moving to Coventry is a kick in the teeth.

Considering there was a Brentford option which would have seen the club build a 15k stadium (with added corporate facilities for extra revenues), the idea that we only had the Midlands as an option seems misleading to me.

Anyway there's nothing I can do about it now. I'll go to the games with play in London, but trips up to Coventry on a Sunday afternoon is not an easy option for me.

Happy with yesterday's win, but tinged with sadness that my club has left me behind.”


There is massive support for rugby in west London so I cannot understand why big teams like Irish , Welsh and Wasps have moved out. The Brentford option would have been ideal, I'm assuming that the plan would be to share with the football club who are moving next year.

My club , Nottingham, have moved next door to the Forest ground so we have football, cricket and rugby all within a few yards of each other.
Daniel_Gleeball
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by david1955:
“There is massive support for rugby in west London so I cannot understand why big teams like Irish , Welsh and Wasps have moved out. The Brentford option would have been ideal, I'm assuming that the plan would be to share with the football club who are moving next year.

My club , Nottingham, have moved next door to the Forest ground so we have football, cricket and rugby all within a few yards of each other.”

It is hard on wasps die Hards but I personally don't think rugby is as popular in the south east as it is in midlands and the west country. I'm from the home counties my brother ran a rugby u14 rugby team which had a gap on the fixture list went on the Internet only had one offer for game 70 miles away. In football pretty sure you would find a team with in 10 miles willing. All conjecture of course.

Has Nottingham moved from Notts county to Forrest? The ground was less than half full.
I remember when they were once a power house.
david1955
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“It is hard on wasps die Hards but I personally don't think rugby is as popular in the south east as it is in midlands and the west country. I'm from the home counties my brother ran a rugby u14 rugby team which had a gap on the fixture list went on the Internet only had one offer for game 70 miles away. In football pretty sure you would find a team with in 10 miles willing. All conjecture of course.

Has Nottingham moved from Notts county to Forrest? The ground was less than half full.
I remember when they were once a power house.”

The rugby club have moved from Meadow Lane ( Notts county) to Lady Bay, a ground used by Nottinghamshire cricket second team.(The far side of the Forest ground) I haven't been there yet , but I assume they will need temporary seating to accommodate the 1500 or so that normally attend rugby fixtures. The rugby team are doing ok this year but promotion is out of the question. They would be blown away if they got to the premiership
Daniel_Gleeball
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by david1955:
“The rugby club have moved from Meadow Lane ( Notts county) to Lady Bay, a ground used by Nottinghamshire cricket second team.(The far side of the Forest ground) I haven't been there yet , but I assume they will need temporary seating to accommodate the 1500 or so that normally attend rugby fixtures. The rugby team are doing ok this year but promotion is out of the question. They would be blown away if they got to the premiership”

That's a shame. I remember when they had Andrew, Ottey, hodgson, they were perennial contenders.
Nottingham is amazing area for sport, as you said. I think need to move if want big bucks to attract high calibre players. To many sports to compete with. Go to Devon or cornwall less rival sports to compete with.
davethecue
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by david1955:
“Very strangely Jonny has not been knighted. He even appeared to confirm that he had been just yesterday. Was it taken away from him because he boasted about it, but that would apply to Esther Rantzen and Joan Collins. Something very odd is going on.”

Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Speculation in the papers today that Jonny will be Knighted in theNew Year Honour's list

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...kinson-4882163”

Seems like Major embarrassment all round:

Sir Bob Kerslake, head of the civil service, commented to the Daily Mirror: "I am very concerned. It is highly regrettable and we will look into it.

"It’s particularly unfair when names get quoted in the papers who then subsequently aren’t on the list," he said.


He even thanked everybody on his Twitter account


https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...131126727.html
david1955
31-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“That's a shame. I remember when they had Andrew, Ottey, hodgson, they were perennial contenders.
Nottingham is amazing area for sport, as you said. I think need to move if want big bucks to attract high calibre players. To many sports to compete with. Go to Devon or cornwall less rival sports to compete with.”

Brian Moore was probably our best player. Nottingham also has a pretty good ice hockey team and of course Carl Froch. Just wish our footballers could improve
Daniel_Gleeball
01-01-2015
Originally Posted by david1955:
“Brian Moore was probably our best player. Nottingham also has a pretty good ice hockey team and of course Carl Froch. Just wish our footballers could improve”

Brian Moore. Of course!! How could I forget the pit bull? He was probably the first modern hooker. Before him all hookers did was scrum and throw the ball in.
Carl Froch class act. Liked him b4 the first groves match, disliked after, liked him again after the rematch. Hope he gets the british sports personality of the year sometime. Probably be after he retired.
Panthers are an icon aren't they? Just a shame it's in a minor sport in this country,

What happened to your football team? They started off so well.
david1955
01-01-2015
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“Brian Moore. Of course!! How could I forget the pit bull? He was probably the first modern hooker. Before him all hookers did was scrum and throw the ball in.
Carl Froch class act. Liked him b4 the first groves match, disliked after, liked him again after the rematch. Hope he gets the british sports personality of the year sometime. Probably be after he retired.
Panthers are an icon aren't they? Just a shame it's in a minor sport in this country,

What happened to your football team? They started off so well.”

Very strange how Forest have had such a bad run, I just hope Stuart will keep his job and maybe next year we can get up. For such a well supported club it is baffling that we cannot get into the premiership, I think it's 15 years when we last were up there.

I'm not a great ice hockey fan, but I went to school , and went out with the daughter of the Panthers greatest player ( I won't name him in case people google him but his initials were CZ and he was one of the all time greats of the 50s)

Our cricket team is pretty good, so at least one of our clubs is doing well.

Such a pity that boxing is only shown on Sky, Froch would be a national hero if they showed it on normal TV
Daniel_Gleeball
01-01-2015
Originally Posted by david1955:
“Very strange how Forest have had such a bad run, I just hope Stuart will keep his job and maybe next year we can get up. For such a well supported club it is baffling that we cannot get into the premiership, I think it's 15 years when we last were up there.

I'm not a great ice hockey fan, but I went to school , and went out with the daughter of the Panthers greatest player ( I won't name him in case people google him but his initials were CZ and he was one of the all time greats of the 50s)

Our cricket team is pretty good, so at least one of our clubs is doing well.

Such a pity that boxing is only shown on Sky, Froch would be a national hero if they showed it on normal TV”

Has it really been 15 years? My how time flys. It is surprising with your support and history. I was at the City ground 2 years ago on Boxing Day where they totally destroyed Leeds. The fans were chanting 'you will be sacked in the morning' I thought that was aimed at Warnock, I think the fans thought so to. Instead it was the Forrest Manager who was sacked that Evening.

Would not have liked to have been you if the ice hockey player came home in a bad mood and caught you with his daughter.

I remember in the 80s when notts and Essex were the powerhouses of county cricket. At least one side still is I guess

They show Froch on pay per view. Just can't believe sky get away with it. He certainly paid his dues.
Mike Teevee
02-01-2015
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Seems like Major embarrassment all round:

Sir Bob Kerslake, head of the civil service, commented to the Daily Mirror: "I am very concerned. It is highly regrettable and we will look into it.

"It’s particularly unfair when names get quoted in the papers who then subsequently aren’t on the list," he said.


He even thanked everybody on his Twitter account


https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...131126727.html”

I'm thinking that maybe Jonny heard the rumours on various social media assumed that he was getting one. The thing is I was always under the impression that the civil service check with the person first if they wish to accept the award.

Jonny's twitter post thanking everyone seemed to imply the rumours were true, then he backtracked a bit later. Slightly embarrassing especially as he should have known whether it was true or not.

Oh well I wouldn't be surprised if he got a knighthood in the next year or so.
Daniel_Gleeball
03-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“I'm thinking that maybe Jonny heard the rumours on various social media assumed that he was getting one. The thing is I was always under the impression that the civil service check with the person first if they wish to accept the award.

Jonny's twitter post thanking everyone seemed to imply the rumours were true, then he backtracked a bit later. Slightly embarrassing especially as he should have known whether it was true or not.

Oh well I wouldn't be surprised if he got a knighthood in the next year or so.”

He certainly deserves one when you consider the fact Audley Harrison got an MBE for basically being a human punch bag and does not even know what it stands for.

He is a true british legend so really hope so.
Kierenj
22-01-2015
So, 6N squads are out. What are people's thoughts? Wales ignoring Hook, Jones still out but that has been looking clearer as the season has gone on.

England recalling Easter (although who else at 8?), Burgess in the Saxons squad (I can see him getting the call up for the bench vs Italy) and England welcome back 5 Lions (plus Croft into the Saxons).
Mike Teevee
22-01-2015
I think England's squad is okay, but not spectacular. The problem is Lancaster doesn't have anymore time to experiment with players and he's pretty wasted his chance to try something new.

I'm glad Cipriani is in the training squad as he's a different type of fly half to what England have. I don't get the hype around Ford, at least not yet.

As for Wales I'm surprised Adam Jones isn't in the squad, as I thought Samson Lee had been ruled out.
Finny Skeleta
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“As for Wales I'm surprised Adam Jones isn't in the squad, as I thought Samson Lee had been ruled out.”

Gatland has said there was no point having him in the squad as he's a starting 3 not an impact player from the bench. If Lee goes down then Adam will be brought in.

While I can see that it's nice to have impact players to bring on later in the game you've also got to think about what happens if your starter knackers his ankle after five minutes. The thought of having Andrews or Jarvis putting in 75 minutes against a proper international side is more than a little terrifying.
CGG_12
23-01-2015
Originally Posted by Kierenj:
“So, 6N squads are out. What are people's thoughts? Wales ignoring Hook, Jones still out but that has been looking clearer as the season has gone on.

England recalling Easter (although who else at 8?), Burgess in the Saxons squad (I can see him getting the call up for the bench vs Italy) and England welcome back 5 Lions (plus Croft into the Saxons).”

We can all think of someone!! Probably the form back rower in Europe. I really hope for England's sake Lancaster recalls Armitage for the RWC. You just cannot ignore a player that good

What I'd like to see from England POV

------------------Brown-----------

May------Eastmond-----JJ------Watson

---------Ford--------------Care

Vunipola--------Hartley---------Wilson

------Attwood--------- Parling

Wood-------------Vunipola----------Haskell

What I'd expect we will see

Brown, May, Barritt, Farrell, Watson, Ford, Care,

Marler, Hartley, WIlson, Kruis, Attwood, Wood, Robshaw, Vunipola
Mike Teevee
23-01-2015
hmm I'll have to disagree with your team

Marler has been better than Mako over the last two years and I'd rather have him start over the elder Vunipola brother. Regardless of that Corbs appears to be first choice, as soon as he gets a level of consistent fitness Lancaster picks him to start (which is harsh on Marler IMO).

I'd rather have Wade in the squad over May, but that's not gonna happen (barring injury)

Care has been poor over the last few months and Youngs not much better, which makes me sad that Dickson or Simpson haven't been given a chance to claim scrum half slot. The sad thing is that Care and Youngs look nailed on for the role (alternating between who starts and who comes off the bench).

I don't get the Farrell dislike from so many England fans, he's very consistent and his kicking is pretty important. It's a bit bemusing that people think he only starts because his dad is one of the coaches, that would only last so long if he was truly awful. Being a biased Wasps fan I'd like to see ex-Wasp Cipriani start at 10, but I don't think Farrell is a bad choice.

A Bath dominated back row isn't bad, though I think Burrell deserves a shot at 12 spot.
CGG_12
23-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“hmm I'll have to disagree with your team”

I don't think any two people anywhere could agree on the England team there are so many positions up for grabs it's ridiculous!!
Mike Teevee
26-01-2015
England player dropping like flies, which will make Lancaster's selection for Wales game harder.
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Adam Jones retires from international duty
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Four Premiership sides make it through to quarter finals of European Champions Cup for the first time since 1998. Perhaps the new format and qualifying criteria has done them a favour. All face tricky away ties though.

Racing Metro v Saracens
Toulon v Wasps
Clermont Auvergne v Northampton
Leinster v Bath

Potential semi final matches
Toulon/Wasps v Leinster/Bath
Clermont Auvergne/Northampton v Racing Metro/Saracens
CGG_12
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“England player dropping like flies, which will make Lancaster's selection for Wales game harder.
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Adam Jones retires from international duty
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Four Premiership sides make it through to quarter finals of European Champions Cup for the first time since 1998. Perhaps the new format and qualifying criteria has done them a favour. All face tricky away ties though.

Racing Metro v Saracens
Toulon v Wasps
Clermont Auvergne v Northampton
Leinster v Bath

Potential semi final matches
Toulon/Wasps v Leinster/Bath
Clermont Auvergne/Northampton v Racing Metro/Saracens”

Toulon are absolute certainties there and you can more or less say Clermont are aswell

Other two very tough to call, it'll be interesting to see what selection Leinster have available. I've zero faith in MOC though and Bath are in flying form. As it stands I'd fancy Bath tbh

Metro Sarries could really go any way
Kierenj
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“I don't think any two people anywhere could agree on the England team there are so many positions up for grabs it's ridiculous!!”

I think we can all agree with that! Robshaw continues to pick himself with every England performance, how anyone could want someone else there is beyond me. Although I would like to see Armitage given a chance at least in the squad!

Corbs has to start, the man is just a notch above the others, although some consistency would be good. Our 2nd row appears to be the 3rd choice if that, and with Eastmond going down on the weekend heaven knows what we'll see at centre.

I'm a fan of Ford, I just really want to see some invention in the backs this 6N... we know we can pretty much power any team off the ball, it's doing something with it that we lack.
Mike Teevee
27-01-2015
No Farrell or Barritt for Wales match

It forces Lancaster's hand in playing more a creative back row.
Mike Teevee
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“No Farrell or Barritt for Wales match

It forces Lancaster's hand in playing more a creative back row.”

Farrell's out for whole of 6Nations

Time for the other fly halves to stand up
CGG_12
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“No Farrell or Barritt for Wales match

It forces Lancaster's hand in playing more a creative back row.”

Yep blessing in disguise perhaps, we shall see!
Kierenj
03-02-2015
Crikey, that Welsh team looks really impressive, they've got a strong shout of a Grand Slam this year. With all their talent back and Ireland looking impressive it's going to be a good 6N (although with England's injuries I fear it won't be great for us).
Mike Teevee
03-02-2015
If England can somehow get past Wales, then maybe we can sneak the tournament.

I guess the key will be whether Lancaster has a plan to get past Warrenball. Our injury list obviously doesn't help, but England has the largest player pool in the whole of world rugby (not that that means much).

Ireland are favourites, unless France surprise us all and remember to put in good performances.
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