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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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flowerpowa
06-02-2015
So ecstatic that England won, it's made my night.
Jamesp84
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Thing is if you are going to let the TMO in, where was he for the first try when Falatau picked the ball up from the middle of the scrum?”

True. Though he only went to the TMO for the disallowed try because Warbuton told him to.

Cracking stuff from England in that 2nd half. Feared for us a bit at 10-0 down after 10 minutes, but they hung in until half time and then stepped up a couple of gears afterwards and Wales had no answer. I'd have given MOTM to Youngs, but Kruis and Haskell were both excellent too.
Jamesp84
06-02-2015
By the way, what was all that nonsense at the start about?

It's an international rugby match, not a bloody One Direction concert!
Mike Teevee
06-02-2015
Happy with that, well done England!
itsashrubery
06-02-2015
Wales fitness needs looking at, they looked dead on their feet coming out of the tunnel second half.
16-8 up and then giving that level of second half performance is not good enough
Decision not to sub a clearly concussed North and keep him off also needs addressing, Liam Williams should have been on.
Cissy Fairfax
06-02-2015
Terrific performance, the England team looked one of the best in ages, albeit forced by injury, but the names Haskell, Easter, Croft, Youngs x2 being back gives so much presence and experience.

No idea how it has taken so long to get to a Burrell Joseph centre pairing but finally we have and no surprise they were outstanding and will get better, not every game will be as tough as that.

Ford was good, but nowhere near MOTM. Haskell was everywhere, Youngs run the game, Robshaw, Joseph, Watson excellent. I was concerned with 2Row, but they both played well.

Bit disappointed with Wales, a little one dimensional, must have been about 60% of the balls from halfbacks were kicked and mainly down the same channels.
irishfeen
06-02-2015
England just beat up Wales on the field, Wales decision making was at times brutal and they were trying to score a magnificent try from their own 22 playing lateral passes minutes on end going absolutely nowhere... Ronan O'Gara on RTÉ here in Ireland was absolutely perplexed at their tactics - have they forgotten the ability to kick for touch deep in the opposing 22?? its like they only want that epic running try.

Wales lacked ideas and guile at the end of the day and England played them perfectly pressing them brilliantly at every opportunity.. Massive win for England and they fully deserved the win... still predicting them to go all the way - I think Dublin will be their biggest threat by far... you will certainly see Ireland taking on England in terms of tactics and playing to their strengths. All we can wish for is a repeat of last years classic... different result would be nice though
Eurostar
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“England just beat up Wales on the field, Wales decision making was at times brutal and they were trying to score a magnificent try from their own 22 playing lateral passes minutes on end going absolutely nowhere... Ronan O'Gara on RTÉ here in Ireland was absolutely perplexed at their tactics - have they forgotten the ability to kick for touch deep in the opposing 22?? its like they only want that epic running try.

Wales lacked ideas and guile at the end of the day and England played them perfectly pressing them brilliantly at every opportunity.. Massive win for England and they fully deserved the win... still predicting them to go all the way - I think Dublin will be their biggest threat by far... you will certainly see Ireland taking on England in terms of tactics and playing to their strengths. All we can wish for is a repeat of last years classic... different result would be nice though ”

The bookies agree that the Six Nations is a two horse race between England and Ireland I'd nearly take second in the Six Nations though if it meant we could have a good RWC.....an appearance in a WC semi final or final is long overdue.
irishfeen
06-02-2015
RTÉ's take on England result/Welsh Performance - http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/six-na...les-v-england/ (Available Worldwide)
irishfeen
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The bookies agree that the Six Nations is a two horse race between England and Ireland I'd nearly take second in the Six Nations though if it meant we could have a good RWC.....an appearance in a WC semi final or final is long overdue.”

Of course the French can never be discounted either - either unreal or pure tripe... all about their mentality.
CGG_12
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“True. Though he only went to the TMO for the disallowed try because Warbuton told him to.

Cracking stuff from England in that 2nd half. Feared for us a bit at 10-0 down after 10 minutes, but they hung in until half time and then stepped up a couple of gears afterwards and Wales had no answer. I'd have given MOTM to Youngs, but Kruis and Haskell were both excellent too.”

Yes Youngs outstanding

Haskell had some great carries but his role in the Wales try and messing up a try down the other end has to rule him out

Joe Marler had a very solid game too

Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“By the way, what was all that nonsense at the start about?

It's an international rugby match, not a bloody One Direction concert!”

Fully agree

Originally Posted by itsashrubery:
“Wales fitness needs looking at, they looked dead on their feet coming out of the tunnel second half.
16-8 up and then giving that level of second half performance is not good enough
Decision not to sub a clearly concussed North and keep him off also needs addressing, Liam Williams should have been on.”

Apparently they've been hitting the weights very hard and doing less on the pitch, with one eye on the RWC

Could be paper/pub talk but it might explain it a bit

Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“Of course the French can never be discounted either - either unreal or pure tripe... all about their mentality.”

Yep, very worried about next weekend in Dublin

Beating France, England and Wales all in a row is too much an ask for ireland I have to say. Even Scotland at Murrayfield, last weekend, is one hell of a banana skin

England's to lose for me. Italy and Scotland at home is some advantage they'll really pile on the points which should mean they'll easily get the best points difference. They've often put big scores on France at home in recent times too
CGG_12
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“Good win but I think you are reading too much into that.With the injuries Wales were favourites and England underdogs going in for once.England need one heck of a lot more in their back play if they're to win this tournament and contend for the World Cup. England were expected to rack up a points difference last year and the year before but failed both times to win the title.”

More so than if they had Italy and Scotland at home?? England have lost to Scotland at Murrayfield a few times they always hammer them at home

This is definitely the "better" year for England in terms of fixtures. 4 games left, 3 are essentially gimmes (2 definitely are) and the other against a team they haven't lost to in 4 years. Even if they do lose to Ireland (50/50 game) it should be enough, unless Ireland do a slam but can't see it.
CGG_12
06-02-2015
On another note how good was Twelvetrees when he came on? He was literally everywhere, some impact
Eurostar
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“Of course the French can never be discounted either - either unreal or pure tripe... all about their mentality.”

They've a tough schedule of course playing in Dublin and Twickenham : they're always hugely unpredictable though.
Glawster2002
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“Good win but I think you are reading too much into that.With the injuries Wales were favourites and England underdogs going in for once.England need one heck of a lot more in their back play if they're to win this tournament and contend for the World Cup. England were expected to rack up a points difference last year and the year before but failed both times to win the title.”

However the win has to be taken in context and an under-strength England beat a full-strength Wales team in Cardiff.

Yes England will have to improve if they want to win the RWC, but considering the Welsh team had something like 290 more caps there is plenty for Lancaster and England to be pleased about.

I certainly never saw that result!
JT2060
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“However the win has to be taken in context and an under-strength England beat a full-strength Wales team in Cardiff.

Yes England will have to improve if they want to win the RWC, but considering the Welsh team had something like 290 more caps there is plenty for Lancaster and England to be pleased about.

I certainly never saw that result!”


Gatland has said that you cannot read anything into the result.

Really?

Losing to our our 'B' team?
platelet
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“I feel quite flattered that England's team, coaches and supporters looked to be celebrating like they'd just won the World Cup in Cardiff against us”

To be fair I think if Wales only ever won one game a year, as long as that was against England - their supporters would be just as happy There is something quite special about this game.

I always think of Wales as the "bar" in the six nations. If England beat them we're doing well if we finish below them we're doing poorly. I don't mean to disparage Wales it's more the fact that they are pretty consistent in their performances whereas Ireland and France will have a glorious year, then fall away again

Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“Be honest England supporters, were you seriously worried about losing heavily to us this evening because of your injuries? I thought Wales might win but it would only be by a few points if it had happened. Two years ago was a once in a lifetime scoreline against our neighbours.”

Heavily no I suppose not. I was however expecting Wales to win comfortably. It's a huge relief we've got this one under our belts.
Last edited by platelet : 07-02-2015 at 09:04
CGG_12
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by platelet:
“To be fair I think if Wales only ever won one game a year, as long as that was against England - their supporters would be just as happy There is something quite special about this game


Heavily no I suppose not. I was however expecting Wales to win comfortably. It's a huge relief we've got this one under our belts.”

It's a cliche but this was much more than 2 points

A lot of "Non-regulars" putting their hands up hugely for selection, beating a full strength team with an under strength one and now staring into 4 matches, 3 of which are at home and very winnable. Not bad

An alternative xv (which isn't half bad either) , none of which featured on yesterday's 23

Goode; Ashton, Barritt, Eastmond, Manu; Faz, Care; Corbs, Webber, Wilson; Lawes Launch; Wood, Steffon, Morgan

Some options. Definitely my pick for RWC
jeffiner1892
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“However the win has to be taken in context and an under-strength England beat a full-strength Wales team in Cardiff.

Yes England will have to improve if they want to win the RWC, but considering the Welsh team had something like 290 more caps there is plenty for Lancaster and England to be pleased about.

I certainly never saw that result!”

You and many others.

I missed it as I was out but my colleague is from Leicester and she'd been saying that England didn't stand a chance with the amount of injuries.

Game day for ourselves today, just wondering which Ireland will turn up.
CGG_12
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“You and many others.

I missed it as I was out but my colleague is from Leicester and she'd been saying that England didn't stand a chance with the amount of injuries.

Game day for ourselves today, just wondering which Ireland will turn up.”

Thought so myself when I had simply heard the injury list but when I actually saw their team I changed my mind, still super quality in there

That's probably the most exciting back line England have fielded in years. I daresay some of the injuries to backs may well even be a blessing in disguise
batdude_uk1
07-02-2015
What are more informed people's views on this George North injury situation?
Should he have played for as long as he did?
JT2060
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“What are more informed people's views on this George North injury situation?
Should he have played for as long as he did?”

He should have been taken off. No chances should be taken with any head injury.
batdude_uk1
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by JT2060:
“He should have been taken off. No chances should be taken with any head injury.”

Which begs the question, why wasn't he?

Is he too big a name for them to do without??

Does his health come secondary to a teams needs?

I hope that the Welsh team are punished for this, a players health is far more important than anything the team does on the pitch, and I hope that it is more than just a mere fine, something that shows this cannot be done again, perhaps docking points (so starting on minus points seeing as how they lost the match).
irishfeen
07-02-2015
RTÉ Sport going a bit over the top in their new promo for the 6 nations championship - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqxDjRkZzps ... nice montage!

Nothing will beat 2013 I don't think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owP1J5cfRHE
Mike Teevee
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by JT2060:
“Gatland has said that you cannot read anything into the result.

Really?

Losing to our our 'B' team?”

Our C team surely?

Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“What are more informed people's views on this George North injury situation?
Should he have played for as long as he did?”

He shouldn't have been allowed to stay on the pitch. Gatland in the post match interview on BBC seemed to only refer to the first concussion when mentioning that medical team though North was okay to go back on.

Either the Wales bench missed the second incident or they ignored it. Both are pretty scary if you think about it and North's safety should have been looked out for.
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