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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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Cheetah666
14-03-2015
Originally Posted by Bahtat:
“Ireland weren't a very good side, it was England that were very poor. It didn't help the referee giving Ireland a penalty every 5 minutes either.

France will probably let the English down again in the last week, like they did last year letting a poor Irish team win in Paris just to spite us.”

Oh, I remember that piece of spiteful sour grapes being spouted last year. There's nothing worse than a sore loser.
Bahtat
14-03-2015
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Oh, I remember that piece of spiteful sour grapes being spouted last year. There's nothing worse than a sore loser.”

Well I would have put my house on France easily winning that game. I remember the Scottish and Welsh being delighted at the result.
CGG_12
14-03-2015
Originally Posted by Bahtat:
“I really wish they wouldn't keep interspersing the tournament with two weekends of no action. It drags it out and spoils it, I'd like to see it over 5 consecutive weeks.”

Playing 5 weeks in a row is a crazy demand on professional athletes in such a physical sport. The way it's going, it'll sooner change to a fortnight gap between every match

It drags it out yes, it hardly spoils it though. It's always been like that

Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“Funny that because I seem to remember France scoring an illegal try last year and they were pretty disappointed that the try at the end wasn't (rightly) allowed. Doesn't sound like letting them win to me.”

LOL it was the only match France actually turned up in too!!

Letting Ireland win
allyred83
14-03-2015
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“Leaving Wales still in with a chance? Pfft! Would rather see England win the Championship than Wales.”

Would rather see England win the championship than Ireland! Sore losers, it's all down to the referee apparently!
jeffiner1892
14-03-2015
The 4 weeks in a row that Ireland ended up playing in 2012 certainly seemed to take its toll on them in the final game.

And yes I seem to remember cursing Scotland in the game before because they couldn't hang on against France to rule them out of still being in with a chance on the final day.
CGG_12
14-03-2015
Originally Posted by allyred83:
“Would rather see England win the championship than Ireland! Sore losers, it's all down to the referee apparently!”

LOL because no-one from Wales or England ever complained about a referee before. Alan rolland says hello!

Yes a small minority reflects a whole nations' outlook
jeffiner1892
14-03-2015
Originally Posted by allyred83:
“Would rather see England win the championship than Ireland! Sore losers, it's all down to the referee apparently!”

It's nothing to do with today, if I'd been watching the tournament opener (I was out that evening), I'd have been cheering England.

And yes I remember plenty of anti Irish feeling due to Alain Rolland.
allyred83
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“It's nothing to do with today, if I'd been watching the tournament opener (I was out that evening), I'd have been cheering England.

And yes I remember plenty of anti Irish feeling due to Alain Rolland.”

Well good for you
CGG_12
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“It's nothing to do with today, if I'd been watching the tournament opener (I was out that evening), I'd have been cheering England.

And yes I remember plenty of anti Irish feeling due to Alain Rolland.”

Most Irish people I know would prefer the English Rugby team over wales

I wouldn't be offended if I was Welsh, I'd actually take it as a compliment. It reflects a great, intense rivalry which is continuing to develop. There is still huge respect between both teams also

England Ireland just doesn't have that spice anymore

Also England are actually a pretty likeable team overall. Lancaster strikes me as a gent as does Robshaw. Very few dislikeable players. Comparing to that awful 2011 team

Gatland is shall we say a divisive character
Zaphodski
15-03-2015
Breathtaking performance from both sides which left me knackered just watching. These guys are immensely fit!

Everyone seems to be concentrating on who will win out of Wales, England and Ireland, however if France beat Italy by 40 points this afternoon they could overtake England with a 5 point winning margin in the final game! England will have the hardest final match of the three and if Wales can beat Italy by 30 points I think they'll have it in the bag
tealady
15-03-2015
France only have one win compared with the others 3 wins, so they would all have to lose which seems a bit unlikely.
Welsh-lad
15-03-2015
This game is a bit humdrum. Does Italy have any decent kickers?
richparr
15-03-2015
Very poor first half in the Italy/France game.
Welsh-lad
15-03-2015
2nd half not much better; just a slow French steamroller affair.
Zaphodski
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by Zaphodski:
“Breathtaking performance from both sides which left me knackered just watching. These guys are immensely fit!

Everyone seems to be concentrating on who will win out of Wales, England and Ireland, however if France beat Italy by 40 points this afternoon they could overtake England with a 5 point winning margin in the final game! England will have the hardest final match of the three and if Wales can beat Italy by 30 points I think they'll have it in the bag ”

Another couple of French tries and it's all to play for at Twickers on Saturday!
Zaphodski
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by tealady:
“France only have one win compared with the others 3 wins, so they would all have to lose which seems a bit unlikely.”

I was only referring to France overtaking England as yes it is very unlikely that both Wales and Ireland will lose (though the French will know what they have to do, being the last match of the tournament!)
Zaphodski
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by Zaphodski:
“I was only referring to France overtaking England as yes it is very unlikely that both Wales and Ireland will lose (though the French will know what they have to do, being the last match of the tournament!)”

So France would have to beat England by an 8 point margin to leapfrog them in the table. Can't see this French side doing that unless they're going to produce their performance of the tournament.
Mike Teevee
15-03-2015
Well that match was a bit of a chore, hope next week's final games are better.

As things stand, I fancy Ireland's chances most.
Zaphodski
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Well that match was a bit of a chore, hope next week's final games are better.

As things stand, I fancy Ireland's chances most.”

I agree, I think Ireland are slight favourites. England should beat France, Ireland should beat Scotland and Wales should beat Italy. However it all depends on how many points Wales can put past Italy. Given England's superior points difference Wales need a minimum of a 27 point winning margin. That's the baseline and the more they add after that the more pressure on England and Ireland. However if Ireland turn over the Scots the title must be theirs. Even though this French team is pants and they are playing away from home, I can't see England winning by a 10 plus margin. France are also due a performance...... If Wales win by a margin of 30, Ireland have to win by 10 and England have to win by 6.

As a Welsh fan I can't wait, because if we get the 30+ winning margin all three games become must watch matches!
tealady
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by Zaphodski:
“I was only referring to France overtaking England as yes it is very unlikely that both Wales and Ireland will lose (though the French will know what they have to do, being the last match of the tournament!)”

Ah, OK.
Yes 8 points.
Bit worrying that England show far more imagination and cutting edge than the French back line! Gaelic flair has had the life choked out of it.
CGG_12
15-03-2015
Wales will be very confident of putting 30 points at least on that Italy side

They have absolutely nothing to lose, they can go all out for tries from the off. Expect them to decline any 3 points opportunity, it really will not be pretty for Italy

What a weekend in store. England don't have much to worry about in terms of losing the match but how much they win by is the question. They have the massive advantage of playing last
CGG_12
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Well that match was a bit of a chore, hope next week's final games are better.

As things stand, I fancy Ireland's chances most.”

I can't agree, we've only scored 4 tries so far, and Scotland are tough to break down at home. They drag you into an arm wrestle, and are great at creating a scrappy game. They're dogged and will be hoping to go out with a spirited performance. I cannot remember Ireland ever winning easily over there. Ireland are great at winning matches these days, but not good at winning well.

Wales have that advantage of knowing how many points they need to win by at least. From the first minute they can afford to really throw caution to the wind and go all out. I expect them to be far more clinical than England were yesterday

England are the rightful favourites though. France are a shadow of their former selves and have an awful record in Twickenham anyway. England know exactly what they need to do. If they need tries they are well able to get them, if they need to play it tight, they won't need a second invitation. Nowell's try is probably enough to secure them the tournament

It will be interesting though. Especially if Wales complete their side of the bargain
Paace
15-03-2015
Its a shame that Scotland and Italy have become the whipping boys for the other teams .

Should the competition revert to the 5 nations and Italy be left out in the interests of fairness ?

Don't know what to make of Scotland . Is their problem that they haven't got a big enough pool of players to choose from in club rugby . I don't recall seeing any Scottish club sides participating in the European club competitions .
CGG_12
15-03-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Its a shame that Scotland and Italy have become the whipping boys for the other teams .

Should the competition revert to the 5 nations and Italy be left out in the interests of fairness ?

Don't know what to make of Scotland . Is their problem that they haven't got a big enough pool of players to choose from in club rugby . I don't recall seeing any Scottish club sides participating in the European club competitions .”

Eh?? They've had two more or less every year. Glasgow gave a great account of themselves in a very tough group this year. They are top of the Pro 12 aswell.

Why should Italy be left out? They beat Scotland away this year. Fine they didn't win any match last year but they won 2 in 2013
Kierenj
16-03-2015
Wow, what a game on Saturday afternoon (night time for me here), Ireland vs Wales was fantastic. As a neutral (obviously wanting a Wales win), I was so happy to see a game played to that level. Wales' defence was fantastic, the hits were so physical and the discipline incredible (a few Irish asking a few too many questions of the ref for my liking).

The Irish butchered a few chances but fair play to Wales, they took advantage of Sexton having a bad day and came out on top.

England looked fantastic for 60 minutes until they got a 1 on 1 or 2 on 1... I don't think I've seen a team butcher so many chances after having clean breaks. Hopefully they can take the positives away and make some better decisions next week. All that said, credit to Scotland who after 15 minutes of being torn apart came right back into it and were rightfully in the lead.

Next week I think England will be slight favorites as they'll know what they need to do, they also look like they could put up some big points.
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