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Old 22-03-2015, 00:27
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Born in Carmarthenshire, butt. Welsh speakers make up abousour % there even today, never mind when JD was born. He did not go to College to learn it!

Seinfeld-mode: Not that there's anything wrong with that if he did.
Ahh Carmarthenshire. My Dad always said if it wasn't for the Carmarthenshire bastards south Wales would have got channel 4 in the 80s/90s and not S4C (Shit 4 Celts).
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Old 22-03-2015, 00:34
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Odd last day, some amazing matches, but not sure if amazing in a good way. No Grand Slam now means it's who beats Scotland by the most points where as it previously used to be who beat Italy by the most points.

England knew what they had to do and had a chance at the death to win it but came up short. Well played Ireland for doing what needed to be done and well done Wales for making the other two work for it.

I must say though I'd rather watch 3 games like last week's Ireland vs Wales than the 3 this week. The southern hemisphere style of only making 3 tackles then letting them score so you get the ball back is not for my liking.

Let's hope all the top player stay injury free for the World Cup, Ford now seems integral to England and I'm glad we finally have a back line... although can still see Manu coming in on the wing for Watson. (very little talk of Slammin Sam).
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Old 22-03-2015, 07:44
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Where the fluck was this all tournament by the 3 teams? Fine Wales played mighty v Ireland but seriously the attacking prowess shown by all 3 (and France) today was breathtaking

Rugby seriously has the potential to be the best spectator sport, but is ruined by teams playing conservatively
Is there a case for basing the championship solely on points difference over the series? It might seem odd that a team could achieve a Grand Slam, but actually lose the championship, but we'd soon get used to it.
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Old 22-03-2015, 09:44
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I would actually go the other way and break ties by results between the teams concerned. That way you lose the random indeterminacy of the weaker teams buckling or not.

What would that have meant for the outcome of this year's title? Of course it would have affected the way yesterday's games were played but then I am not a big fan of Twenty20 style sport - In rugby save that for the Sevens. Last week's Wales / Ireland game was several levels in class and entertainment above anything we saw yesterday.
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Old 22-03-2015, 10:07
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Ireland are just the superior team.
Well done to Ireland, how ever let's not forget that Wales beat them...
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Old 22-03-2015, 10:22
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One good thing about there being no Grand Slam winner is that England, Ireland and Wales can head into the RWC with the pressure off and with no heightened expectations.....it's great that they're all be talked about as contenders, with none of them being singled out for extra attention.
That's a good point....
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Old 22-03-2015, 11:55
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Well done to Ireland, how ever let's not forget that Wales beat them...
Ireland beat Wales in 2013.
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Old 22-03-2015, 12:01
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I would actually go the other way and break ties by results between the teams concerned. That way you lose the random indeterminacy of the weaker teams buckling or not.
Wouldn't it still have then gone to PD yesterday? Wales beat Ireland, Ireland beat England, England beat Wales.
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Old 22-03-2015, 12:57
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"a one trick pony"

When I changed to the BBC after the match during a break on RTÉ he's face expression was one of absolute disgust.
So what? He is passionate about his team. What's wrong with that?
Just like half the population of Ireland if England had of got in with another converted try.
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Old 22-03-2015, 14:36
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I would actually go the other way and break ties by results between the teams concerned.
Who won this year's Six Nations under your scheme ?
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Old 22-03-2015, 14:50
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That's a good point....
Yeah, there would be a lot of pressure and huge expectations of any Grand Slam winner heading into the RWC. This way, all the pressure is off England, Wales and Ireland and everyone is talking about a wide open World Cup.
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Old 22-03-2015, 14:51
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It's been a great weekend for Irish rugby.......the women have just won their version of the Six Nations
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Old 22-03-2015, 15:04
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Who won this year's Six Nations under your scheme ?
Easy...
If you're a Welsh Supporter - Wales as they beat Ireland
If you're an English Supporter - England as they beat Wales
If you're an Irish Supporter - Ireland as they beat England

I like it, I'm with gomezz
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Old 22-03-2015, 15:55
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Ireland beat Wales in 2013.
And England beat Ireland in 2014

This is kind of the issue/romance of them only playing each other once.
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Old 22-03-2015, 16:21
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The irish journos are still bitter about their defeat last week. Get over it! you've won the championship go out and celebrate.
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Old 22-03-2015, 16:52
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The irish journos are still bitter about their defeat last week. Get over it! you've won the championship go out and celebrate.
Not seen too much from them. More complaints from the English (including their players) about them being the only team to actually have to play against their opposition.
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Old 22-03-2015, 18:14
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Odd last day, some amazing matches, but not sure if amazing in a good way. No Grand Slam now means it's who beats Scotland by the most points where as it previously used to be who beat Italy by the most points.
Yes this is becoming a bit of an issue alright

I don't agree with Points Difference at all really, but the real issue at hand is the Home and Away nature of matches

Ideally, everyone would play each other twice and then we could use Bonus Points and have a really fair tournament.

To be honest it's against the grain but I actually agree with George Hook's long held view that teams should share the Championship. Of course we wouldn't get the drama of yesterday but a team winning without a slam just isn't as special

I'm happy Ireland won the tournament of course but I'm not near as happy as I was in 09 tbh. The points difference is just such a lottery in a way, it really was a pretty bizarre series of events yesterday as a result!!
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Old 22-03-2015, 18:18
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Not seen too much from them. More complaints from the English (including their players) about them being the only team to actually have to play against their opposition.
Scotland are just useless, but to be honest Italy were borderline disgraceful the way they rolled over

England left it behind them last week in truth. But as I say they won't be that disappointed overall, they've found a great 9 & 10, a 13 and a star looks to be born in Jack Nowell. They won all their home matches and while they'd have loved a slam I'd imagine they'd have been satisfied with 4 wins beforehand, given their two tough matches were away. I think Wales and Ireland would really have been targetting a Slam given the way their fixtures fell.
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Old 22-03-2015, 19:58
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Yes this is becoming a bit of an issue alright

I don't agree with Points Difference at all really, but the real issue at hand is the Home and Away nature of matches

Ideally, everyone would play each other twice and then we could use Bonus Points and have a really fair tournament.

To be honest it's against the grain but I actually agree with George Hook's long held view that teams should share the Championship. Of course we wouldn't get the drama of yesterday but a team winning without a slam just isn't as special

I'm happy Ireland won the tournament of course but I'm not near as happy as I was in 09 tbh. The points difference is just such a lottery in a way, it really was a pretty bizarre series of events yesterday as a result!!
3 teams sharing the championship is an old fashioned thing that was good in the amateur era but not in the professional era.
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Old 22-03-2015, 20:12
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Scotland are just useless, but to be honest Italy were borderline disgraceful the way they rolled over
It's hard to succesfully defend a gaping tryline.
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Old 22-03-2015, 20:27
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3 teams sharing the championship is an old fashioned thing that was good in the amateur era but not in the professional era.
Can't say that is a persuasive argument. It is artificial to split teams on points difference where each has beaten the other.
You can get ties in cricket in one day and first class and test, you can even get a joint gold medal in the olympics http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5503196...split-tie.html
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Old 22-03-2015, 20:36
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Can't say that is a persuasive argument. It is artificial to split teams on points difference where each has beaten the other.
You can get ties in cricket in one day and first class and test, you can even get a joint gold medal in the olympics http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5503196...split-tie.html
Score Difference and Head to Head just don't work well IMO given the home and away nature. Not to mention in a sport like Rugby there are way too many variables that affect Score Difference in only 5 matches for each team

That poster above touches on a valid yet worrying point that suddenly it's becoming a matter of who can batter Italy and Scotland the most.

The thing is if you have to decide a winner it's the only way. Ideally everyone would play each other twice and PD and bonus points and all that become much more relevant!
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Old 22-03-2015, 20:37
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It's hard to succesfully defend a gaping tryline.
Would ya stop Wales were just jogging over the line, 7 tries in a half is shocking to concede

It's like what you'd see with NZ vs Portugal in the RWC
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Old 22-03-2015, 21:09
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Would ya stop Wales were just jogging over the line, 7 tries in a half is shocking to concede

It's like what you'd see with NZ vs Portugal in the RWC
You surely don't think that the All Blacks are going to score in excess of 150 points or even threaten to get close to the 200 points barrier over a single 80 minute match in an early pool match in the upcoming RWC?
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Old 22-03-2015, 21:10
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You surely don't think that the All Blacks are going to score in excess of 150 points or even threaten to get close to the 200 points barrier over a single 80 minute match in an early pool match in the upcoming RWC?
Yes that's exactly what I said
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