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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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Marmite Baby
11-11-2015
I'd go for NZ coach Wayne Smith with previous NH experience coaching Northampton Saints. If only Dylan Hartley could curb his indiscretions, he'd be a shoo-in for captain. They might go for a very young captain after an appalling WC like when Will Carling was appointed back in the 80s - that turned out quite well.
CGG_12
18-11-2015
Munster Stade this weekend off, with a host of matches postponed from last weekend

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Champions Cup wasn't completed this year as the season is just way too congested to allow a plethora of rearranged fixtures

Can't say anyone could complain or argue with it, Rugby is a complete insignificance in the overall scheme of things
Thomas007
18-11-2015
RIP Mr Lomu - your record of the most tries ever in RWC history (15 shared with Bryan Habana who did it in 3 RWC's/18 matches, Lomu did it in just 2 RWC's/11 matches) and the most tries ever scored in a RWC 1999 (8 shared with Julian Savea) mean undoubtedly you will go down as one the greatest players that game has ever seen.
Kierenj
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by Thomas007:
“RIP Mr Lomu - your record of the most tries ever in RWC history (15 shared with Bryan Habana who did it in 3 RWC's/18 matches, Lomu did it in just 2 RWC's/11 matches) and the most tries ever scored in a RWC 1999 (8 shared with Julian Savea) mean undoubtedly you will go down as one the greatest players that game has ever seen.”

Absolutely the defining player of professional rugby. The genuine first world renowned superstar of the game. Gone too soon.
batdude_uk1
18-11-2015
Originally Posted by Kierenj:
“Absolutely the defining player of professional rugby. The genuine first world renowned superstar of the game. Gone too soon.”

I echo your sentiments there, he was the first person I thought of, whenever the term rugby union is mentioned, and those images of him against England will forever be iconic ones.
Mike Teevee
18-11-2015
Can't believe Jonah has died, it was really shocking well I heard the news.

The man was a true superstar of the game and helped bring the game into professional era.

RIP to an All Black legend
batdude_uk1
18-11-2015
Perhaps any future England v New Zealand match should be for the Lomu trophy, that might be a fitting way to give him the honour of having his name immortalised forever that way.
gomezz
18-11-2015
Or for top try scorer at each RWC finals?
richie4eva
18-11-2015
Richie McCaw officially retires

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rug...etirement.html …
CGG_12
19-11-2015
Eddie Jones getting the England gig

Could turn out a very inspired appointment. I'm sure there was plenty who felt it could have ended up so much worse, but there ain't many options out there better than EJ

As an Irishman I still believe Rugby needs England and France as competitive as they can be

I thought they'd go for an existing Prem Coach or a yes man tbh
Kierenj
20-11-2015
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“Eddie Jones getting the England gig

Could turn out a very inspired appointment. I'm sure there was plenty who felt it could have ended up so much worse, but there ain't many options out there better than EJ

As an Irishman I still believe Rugby needs England and France as competitive as they can be

I thought they'd go for an existing Prem Coach or a yes man tbh”

It'll be interesting for sure. Jones worked marvels with Japan but had the undivided attention of the players and their union, he won't necessarily have that with England. His record with Australia wasn't the best given the talent they had back then, although he did get them to the RWC final... mind you that was 10 years ago and he does seem like the kind of coach who adapts and changes his style (opposite of Cockerill).

At this stage I'm happy with anyone other than White, he would be a terrible choice and would drag England back to the Robinson era.
Marmite Baby
20-11-2015
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Perhaps any future England v New Zealand match should be for the Lomu trophy, that might be a fitting way to give him the honour of having his name immortalised forever that way.”

Bit arrogant to associate his name just with matches against England. Why not the Rugby World Cup trophy itself?
Eddie Jones is the best appointment England could make out of who is available. It will interesting who he has as background staff.
clever3000
20-11-2015
Originally Posted by Marmite Baby:
“Bit arrogant to associate his name just with matches against England. Why not the Rugby World Cup trophy itself?
Eddie Jones is the best appointment England could make out of who is available. It will interesting who he has as background staff.”

It would be good if he kept on Graham Rowntree who has done well as forwards coach, however for me Andy Farrell must go, he held too much influence over Stuart Lancaster and he doesnt seem to add much as a coach.

As for the appointment of Eddie Jones, it will be interesting to see who he picks for the Scotland match, he is a sound appointment and should be better than Lancaster in the more difficult matches (against AB's. Aus and SA) however Lancaster was good with player development. It would be a waste if the RFU do not have Lancaster in a rugby development role.
clever3000
20-11-2015
Originally Posted by Marmite Baby:
“Bit arrogant to associate his name just with matches against England. Why not the Rugby World Cup trophy itself?
Eddie Jones is the best appointment England could make out of who is available. It will interesting who he has as background staff.”

You cant rename the William Webb Ellis Cup as it is named after the founder of rugby, maybe Lomu's name could be applied to the Rugby Championship trophy or to the aforementioned England vs New Zealand matches.
CGG_12
20-11-2015
What a statement of intent by Sarries. Some start to the season. safe to say English club Rugby has overtaken Ireland quite considerably. Probably not long till it happens at international level

sad looking at how average the Irish clubs have become, a mere shadow of a few years go can't see how it'll improve either, they're not attracting any top players, and there could well be an exodus in the coming years like Wales
Kierenj
21-11-2015
Originally Posted by Marmite Baby:
“Bit arrogant to associate his name just with matches against England. Why not the Rugby World Cup trophy itself?
Eddie Jones is the best appointment England could make out of who is available. It will interesting who he has as background staff.”

I wouldn't say arrogant, just ignorant of the wider rugby community and goings on.

I think the award for top try scorer at the RWC should be renamed the Lomu trophy... or perhaps the IRB player of the year?
Mike Teevee
22-11-2015
Fantastic win by Wasps over Toulon today, brilliant performance from the players.

First time since December 2008 that all English clubs won in European Cup,. Perhaps England's early RWC exit had some benefit?
Kierenj
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Fantastic win by Wasps over Toulon today, brilliant performance from the players.

First time since December 2008 that all English clubs won in European Cup,. Perhaps England's early RWC exit had some benefit?”

And Armitage looked very "meh"...
davethecue
24-11-2015
Apparently, Welsh Rugby is where it's at if you're on performance enhancing 'stimulants'....


'Steroid abuse off-the-scale in Welsh grassroots rugby'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34902105
Mike Teevee
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by Kierenj:
“And Armitage looked very "meh"...”

Indeed, that can't have helped the likes of Stuart Barnes to continue their "We must have Armitage in the England squad regardless" mantra

Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Apparently, Welsh Rugby is where it's at if you're on performance enhancing 'stimulants'....


'Steroid abuse off-the-scale in Welsh grassroots rugby'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34902105”

I guess because rugby is a bigger sport there, young players are doing whatever they can to give themselves an advantage.
Finny Skeleta
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Apparently, Welsh Rugby is where it's at if you're on performance enhancing 'stimulants'....


'Steroid abuse off-the-scale in Welsh grassroots rugby'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34902105”

Hardly surprising considering there is a big steroid problem in Wales in general. Anyone who had the foresight to open a shop selling too-tight, v-neck t-shirts in South Wales five years ago has probably retired to their private island in the Caribbean by now.
Mark F
17-12-2015
Hartley as captain according to the BBC.

Maybe too much of a risk with his discipline record?
tealady
17-12-2015
Sounds a bit of a risk.
Also won't he be a 60 minute captain? Struggling to think of a side that doesn't replace their hooker and one or more props in the second half. Whereas Robshaw always finished the match.
Philip Wales
18-12-2015
^^Trouble is who else is there, they said Launchberry's to young, just hoping being captain will temper Hartley.
CGG_12
01-01-2016
happy new year everyone. if there is anything positive about the awful month that is january it's that there's some cracking club rugby and the whole build up to the 6n!

Can anyone stop Sarries this year?

Jonny may ruled out of 6n for England. no loss at all imo though I couldn't see Jones picking him anyway. Goode or Ashton have to make that back 3.

FWIW I think Hartley is the best shout for captain. there are fk all other options and it may well temper him
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