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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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Mike Teevee
12-03-2016
Coley deserved his yellow, but Francis should have got the same too. Ashton is currently serving a ban for doing much less, so why no yellow card? (at least).

Wales came back really well at the end, but ITV's pundits completely ignored the fact this was against 14 men. Anyway a win's a win and next week in Paris could be a nice finish to the tournament (even if the general play has been pretty average).

Glad I'm gonna be there to see it.

edit: had my football head on, 14 men obviously
tealady
12-03-2016
The comments on the bbc site are hilarious.
Apparently Wales lost against the clock but not to England.

Interesting to note that Eddie Jones is conceding that some of his changes didn't work.

A rejuvenated Scotland (with home advantage) should beat France tomorrow.
tealady
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“ITV's pundits completely ignored the fact this was against 10 men. .”

Mike Teevee
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by tealady:
“”

whoops had my football head on there

Obviously I meant 14 men
Michael_Vaughan
12-03-2016
Better team won today at Twickenham, no complaints from me.Francis should've at least been yellowed for a potential gouge but I agree that only one angle made it seem inconclusive.If more footage brings up ultimate guilt then he should face a long ban.Curiously there's been no mention of Marler's punch to a Wales players head in the build up to Cole's non try in the first half.An act that could easily be a red if it had been spotted. Had to laugh at some of the penalty awards to England.Itoje was the man of the match but more than one of his turnover penalties was achieved without him being anywhere near on his feet.

Wales had by far our worst first half of rugby since Gatland took over all those years ago.Too passive in defence and letting England power up earlier on and look like they wanted it more.Shame to lose Warburton but he hasn't looked up to full match fitness all tournament.The downside of these dual contracts with the Union is that he hardly ever gets a run out for his regional side in order to get up to full fitness.
I also think Cuthbert needs to go away and concentrate on the game below International level.The weakness on attacking his wing was evident throughout and Tom James would've been a much better selection option.We scored two tries against 14 men but that was also down to Rhys Webb returning from the bench.

England didn't look too impressive in attack to be honest but their power took the spoils and they should get the Grandslam in Paris next Saturday.

You never do know with those French though
CGG_12
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
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You never do know with those French though”

The most outdated cliche out there sadly- they're permanently gash these days.

The tournament is by far the worst off for it
CGG_12
12-03-2016
Madness by marler

That aside though I actually think he's been huge for England this tournament. And I've never really rated him but this is by far the best he's been in an English shirt

Good on him, he shipped a lot of criticism after the RWC
Michael_Vaughan
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“The most outdated cliche out there sadly- they're permanently gash these days.

The tournament is by far the worst off for it”

As is world rugby, they can't seem to give us those sublime wins against NZ at World Cups anymore!!
CGG_12
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by Michael_Vaughan:
“As is world rugby, they can't seem to give us those sublime wins against NZ at World Cups anymore!!”

Absolutely!
Mike Teevee
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“Madness by marler

That aside though I actually think he's been huge for England this tournament. And I've never really rated him but this is by far the best he's been in an English shirt

Good on him, he shipped a lot of criticism after the RWC”

Joe's been cited for an apparent elbow during the disallowed try for Cole stuff.

As for calling Samson Lee 'gypsy boy', not a good look by Mr Marler
Michael_Vaughan
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Joe's been cited for an apparent elbow during the disallowed try for Cole stuff.

As for calling Samson Lee 'gypsy boy', not a good look by Mr Marler”

I should've said elbow rather than punch but that was just my drunken bitterness LOL

Guy hasn't done himself any favours with that and the comment.Hope he gets a chance to apologise if he hasn't already. Plenty of other things you can call an opponent without bringing background into it.
CGG_12
12-03-2016
To be honest id imagine all sorts of sh1t is said in a match that isn't picked up on

Marler is a great guy, that's very out of character in fairness
Tiger Rose
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“The most outdated cliche out there sadly- they're permanently gash these days.

The tournament is by far the worst off for it”

Yep. The issue with the French in the past is that they had a load of talented players who were inconsistent. Where is the French flair going to come from next week?

This tournament has certainly not been a vintage 6 Nations and England are still very much a work in progress but as an England fan I would be very disappointed if we don't win the Grand Slam next Saturday against the worst French team I can remember.
CGG_12
13-03-2016
Joe Schmidt needs to answer some serious questions as to how Ireland lost to these

They're a mess and a half of a team
tealady
13-03-2016
Scotland hang in during the third quarter to leave England as 6n champions.

What was happening in the scrums though? Ref didn't seem too keen to sort it out, maybe a yellow card to each side may have focussed the minds.
CGG_12
13-03-2016
Delghted for Scotland. Decent chance to finish with 3 wins

Really hope this is a sign of things to come for Scotland
platelet
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by tealady:
“Scotland hang in during the third quarter to leave England as 6n champions.”

Scotland giving England the championship as a present a week early. Not something I would have bet on at the start.

Well done Scotland
Bizza
13-03-2016
Champions! cheers Scotland

Grandslam next, can't see this french team stopping us
big bro geek
13-03-2016
Scotland finally getting the results they deserve
CGG_12
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Bizza:
“Champions! cheers Scotland

Grandslam next, can't see this french team stopping us ”

absolutely!

I've always been of the mindset that there's just something missing from a Championship win without a slam. It's just not the same

PD just isn't fair in a home and away comp. As exciting as the last day was last year it pretty much descended into a farce- it was simply who could beat their respective whipping boy opponents by the most. Exciting viewing though!

Ireland's last two Championships don't hold a candle to the 2009 slam for me. It's a proper statement that you're indisputably the best side in the NH and you're undisputed champions

Anyhow EJ seems to be thinking along the same lines. Said it's slam or nothing. Interestingly the interviewer asked out of Billy V, Itoje and AW who was the best player for them, and rather than the PC cop-out "it was a 15 man job" he answered "Chris Robshaw without a shadow of a doubt"

I've really warmed to him
tealady
13-03-2016
I see Marler has apologised for his comments to Lee. No doubt when Brown and Williams had a bit of a disagreement it was about the finer points of bonsai.
owen10
13-03-2016
Well done England on winning the championship
Kierenj
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“absolutely!

I've always been of the mindset that there's just something missing from a Championship win without a slam. It's just not the same

PD just isn't fair in a home and away comp. As exciting as the last day was last year it pretty much descended into a farce- it was simply who could beat their respective whipping boy opponents by the most. Exciting viewing though!

Ireland's last two Championships don't hold a candle to the 2009 slam for me. It's a proper statement that you're indisputably the best side in the NH and you're undisputed champions

Anyhow EJ seems to be thinking along the same lines. Said it's slam or nothing. Interestingly the interviewer asked out of Billy V, Itoje and AW who was the best player for them, and rather than the PC cop-out "it was a 15 man job" he answered "Chris Robshaw without a shadow of a doubt"

I've really warmed to him”

In fairness at least this year if England don't beat France they will still win the championship outright on clear points, not just PD.

Rightly so though EJ is all about the Slam, as coach of England every game should be seen as one to win, we're not and never have been "let's play good rugby first and see what happens".

What I've loved about EJ and this championship is his straight talking. Under Lanc I always felt we had to be humble and not brag about winning, even Robshaw was trying to be the perfect gent all the time. No more though, selecting an abrasive captain, saying we're going to smack Italy, Sexton's parents should be worried etc... it's good to see the team with a bit of a swagger and bullying teams again.

I can't wait for Itoje to hit puberty, he's going to be amazing.
Mike Teevee
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Kierenj:
“In fairness at least this year if England don't beat France they will still win the championship outright on clear points, not just PD.

Rightly so though EJ is all about the Slam, as coach of England every game should be seen as one to win, we're not and never have been "let's play good rugby first and see what happens".

What I've loved about EJ and this championship is his straight talking. Under Lanc I always felt we had to be humble and not brag about winning, even Robshaw was trying to be the perfect gent all the time. No more though, selecting an abrasive captain, saying we're going to smack Italy, Sexton's parents should be worried etc... it's good to see the team with a bit of a swagger and bullying teams again.

I can't wait for Itoje to hit puberty, he's going to be amazing.”

That's what always bugged me about the various accusations of English arrogance from Wales and Ireland camps. If there was one thing you would label England under Lancaster, arrogant isn't one of them. I liked Lancaster and think that there were more good things than bad about his reign, but for one thing or another the mindset of the team never got the job done.

However one thing that links this England with Lancaster's and also Johnson's is the poor discipline. The amount of penalties we keep giving away hasn't really changed since the days of a fuming Johnson against Ireland (I think) back in 2011.
CGG_12
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“ I liked Lancaster and think that there were more good things than bad about his reign.”

Ya interestingly back in 2014 (with the same set of fixtures) Lancaster was a fluke French loss away from winning the Slam. It'll be interesting to see how EJ does next year with the "tougher" schedule (away to wales and Ireland)
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