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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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jeffiner1892
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“And what a privilege that will be. Oh how blessed to be from the land of Glwyndwr, Russell and Thomas. The rolling hills, song-filled valleys and sheep-laden pastures. Yes, what a blessing to be Welsh.




But even so. England has almost as many people in the urban areas of some of its major cities, like Birmingham, than Wales has in its entire nation. And bear in mind that football is still popular in Wales, too.

I guess Welsh men are just naturally more masculine, and greater physical specimens, than English men?”

I actually think it's more remarkable that (with the exception of the last couple of years) a country like Ireland with a population of 5 million where rugby is the FOURTH most popular sport can often compete.
Diaz
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“I guess Welsh men are just naturally more masculine, and greater physical specimens, than English men?”

Can you name a sport in which Wales outperform England on a regular basis?

Wales have an absolutely atrocious football team that have no hope of ever qualifying for a major tournament.

It's a shame the "more masculine and greater physical specimens" doesn't translate into a Rugby World Cup win, isn't it?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image..._getty_270.jpg
Freeman000
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Diaz:
“Can you name a sport in which Wales outperform England on a regular basis?

Wales have an absolutely atrocious football team that have no hope of ever qualifying for a major tournament.

It's a shame the "more masculine and greater physical specimens" doesn't translate into a Rugby World Cup win, isn't it?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image..._getty_270.jpg”

Wales are probably better than England at football on a per-capita basis. If you took a region of England with a population of 3 million and selected players from only that region, the team would probably be inferior to Wales's. Certainly to the Wales teams throughout history.

Also, the best British player at the moment (Bale) is Welsh.
Freeman000
16-03-2013
Also, assuming that Bale wins this year, 3 out of the last 5 PFA player of the year trophies will have been won by a Welshman. Compared to England's 1.
Diaz
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“Wales are probably better than England at football on a per-capita basis. If you took a region of England with a population of 3 million and selected players from only that region, the team would probably be inferior to Wales's. Certainly to the Wales teams throughout history.

Also, the best British player at the moment (Bale) is Welsh.”

Fair enough but sporting tournaments are not run on a "per-capita" basis sadly for Wales.

Bale is a very good player there is no doubt about that but the fact is the Wales national football team do have a terrible qualifying record for the World Cup with one single appearance since it began in 1930.

England are pretty much better at every sport than Wales and this can be backed up with plenty of evidence if needs be.

I have nothing against Wales but if you look at the sporting facts they are far from even good.
jeffiner1892
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“Also, assuming that Bale wins this year, 3 out of the last 5 PFA player of the year trophies will have been won by a Welshman. Compared to England's 1.”

Nobody counts Giggs' and Bale's was won on the basis of one game. That Spurs lost incidentally.
AJRevitt
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Frood:
“Probably because Wales have bugger all chance of winning the World Cup”

Exactly. They know there's much more of a chance when competing against just 5 other teams.

I enjoy the six nations, but the potential of being crowned the best team in the world is fantastic. I could watch the 2003 final a million times and still the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
neo_wales
16-03-2013
The English fans here don't like their team loosing lol.
AJRevitt
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“Wales are probably better than England at football on a per-capita basis. If you took a region of England with a population of 3 million and selected players from only that region, the team would probably be inferior to Wales's. Certainly to the Wales teams throughout history.

Also, the best British player at the moment (Bale) is Welsh.”

I enjoyed giggling at this.
AJRevitt
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The English fans here don't like their team loosing lol.”

No, we're absolutely ecstatic about being made mincemeat of.
Freeman000
16-03-2013
England fluked the 2003 WC.

And the 2015 WC is going to be won by either Wales, NZ or Australia. These are the big boys. England stand a slim chance along with France and SA, but it's cute that they think they can compete fully with the big boys like Wales and NZ.
Diaz
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The English fans here don't like their team loosing lol.”

England Rugby World Cup titles: 1

Wales Rugby World Cup titles: 0

lol
Freeman000
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Diaz:
“England Rugby World Cup titles: 1

Wales Rugby World Cup titles: 0

lol”

If Wales had a population the size of England's from which to select players, we would have won every World Cup in history.
O'Neill
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“Nobody counts Giggs' and Bale's was won on the basis of one game. That Spurs lost incidentally.”

Simply not true, though its often proclaimed, Bale put in some brilliant performances for Tottenham that season. I remember he assisted all four goals as Spurs came from behind to beat Young Boys to qualify for that seasons champions league. The Inter hattrick stands out though.
Diaz
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“If Wales had a population the size of England's from which to select players, we would have won every World Cup in history.”

Well the fact is you do not and what you have stated is entirely hypothetical and there is absolutely no way of proving that if Wales had a population the size of England's population they would win the Rugby World cup.

If you stick to the facts:

England Rugby World Cup titles: 1

Wales Rugby World Cup titles: 0
AJRevitt
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“England fluked the 2003 WC.

And the 2015 WC is going to be won by either Wales, NZ or Australia. These are the big boys. England stand a slim chance along with France and SA, but it's cute that they think they can compete fully with the big boys like Wales and NZ.”

You're supposed to sh*t out of your arse, not talk out of it.
spookyLX
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Diaz:
“England Rugby World Cup titles: 1

Wales Rugby World Cup titles: 0

lol”

yeah but how long ago was that ............ your only as good as your last game ...
big bro geek
16-03-2013
Did anyone ever imagine Scotlsnd would finish 3rd in the table?
O'Neill
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by spookyLX:
“yeah but how long ago was that ............ your only as good as your last game ...”

We still hear about England's last football World Cup win 47 years ago at every given opportunity during tournaments, so in comparison it is recent to be fair.
Frood
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The English fans here don't like their team loosing lol.”

When Wales lose their fans are much worse.......
drillbit
16-03-2013
well done Wales you were astonishingly good today

as for england the writing was on the wall from last week after a very nervy display against italy..you're a wilkinson, johnson and di'lalio short of a contending team
misslibertine
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“Nobody counts Giggs' and Bale's was won on the basis of one game. That Spurs lost incidentally.”

Why not? Not trying to cause a row, I'm genuinely asking as I don't know much about football

Originally Posted by O'Neill:
“We still hear about England's last football World Cup win 47 years ago at every given opportunity during tournaments, so in comparison it is recent to be fair.”

Mr Teacake
16-03-2013
http://i.imgur.com/gq97Uxz.jpg

lol
DuckSeason
16-03-2013
Originally Posted by Freeman000:
“England fluked the 2003 WC.

And the 2015 WC is going to be won by either Wales, NZ or Australia. These are the big boys. England stand a slim chance along with France and SA, but it's cute that they think they can compete fully with the big boys like Wales and NZ.”

You mean the 'big boys' Wales who lost to Argentina and Samoa five months ago? Either you're a clear WMU, or proving my point that Welsh fans are infinitely more arrogant than English ones ever are.
pegasus2
16-03-2013
I'm not a fan of football or soccer as it was dismissively called by my dad who thought it a game only fit to be played by little girls, but please don't belittle the fact we have won the championship. It is a massivly huge thing here. Look, England has its football, although Swansea isn't doing too badly, Wales has its rugby and I'm sure none of you would doubt the passion that is felt in Wales over our rugby team.
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