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Old 18-06-2013, 10:58
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Shocking that the best player on this tour might not even get on the bench.........
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Old 18-06-2013, 11:13
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Shocking that the best player on this tour might not even get on the bench.........
To be fair George North is injured Oh, you mean the best Welsh player... yeah I think Tipuric is right to feel hard done by.
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Old 18-06-2013, 11:59
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This game has fully justified Ryan Grant not being included in the first squad... and as much as it pains me to say it Rory Best as well. Shocking first half.
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Old 18-06-2013, 13:40
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This game has fully justified Ryan Grant not being included in the first squad... and as much as it pains me to say it Rory Best as well. Shocking first half.
The whole front five as a unit were dreadful. The difference that the bench made in that respect was like night and day.
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Old 18-06-2013, 18:54
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What an end to the South Africa v Wales game in the Junior world cup. Wales score a converted try in the last minute to go 17-18 ahead. Looks like we're holding on-yesssssssss

Well done lads

Only just realised it was the semi. Final against New Zealand or England on Sunday
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Old 18-06-2013, 20:37
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England youngsters looking very impressive in being 8-20 up on the baby All Blacks at half time in the second semi final.

Heading for a home nations showdown to be World Champions at this level
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Old 18-06-2013, 21:28
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Great win for England over the baby all blacks.

Bring on the Wales v England final.
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Old 18-06-2013, 22:23
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I can't wait for the U20 final against England. This could be a very memorable sporting occasion with all my fav teams having a big game this weekend.
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Old 18-06-2013, 23:43
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I feel an all-dayer coming on. I've been on nights all week.... I finish at 11am on Friday... could do with a few bevvies on Saturday. A triple header of odd-shaped ball action could be ideal.
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Old 19-06-2013, 01:06
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Bit of an egg on face scenario for this article from the South African press

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNEgYl1CIAESiUn.jpg:large
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Old 19-06-2013, 10:40
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Bit of an egg on face scenario for this article from the South African press

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNEgYl1CIAESiUn.jpg:large
Ha ha! hysterical..... Was really impressed with England, didnt get to see the Wales game but big wins for both sides.
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Old 19-06-2013, 12:13
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I'm almost looking forward to the final more than the Test.

That Jordan Williams is some player. I just hope he doesn't get lost in the too small/no position trap that so many others do. The thought of a North/Williams/Halfpenny back three is very exciting.
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Old 19-06-2013, 12:59
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George North passed fit for the first test

Team to be named overnight GMT.
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Old 19-06-2013, 13:43
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Welsh under 20's showing class...
if we can beat Argentina and can beat South Africa then we can certainly beat England
I hope that quote is going on the England dressing room wall.
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Old 19-06-2013, 13:57
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Welsh under 20's showing class...

I hope that quote is going on the England dressing room wall.
That sounds more to me like a "we can beat anybody" attitude rather than an "England aren't as good as Argentina and SA" one.

Collective self-doubt and mental fragility have been the curse of Welsh rugby at all levels for years and are probably the main reasons why we haven't picked up as many SH scalps as the other four nations over the last decade or so despite having good teams. If bullying a Springbok pack can't eliminate those doubts in these players at least at this level then nothing can.
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Old 19-06-2013, 14:42
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That sounds more to me like a "we can beat anybody" attitude rather than an "England aren't as good as Argentina and SA" one.

Collective self-doubt and mental fragility have been the curse of Welsh rugby at all levels for years and are probably the main reasons why we haven't picked up as many SH scalps as the other four nations over the last decade or so despite having good teams. If bullying a Springbok pack can't eliminate those doubts in these players at least at this level then nothing can.
Maybe, im pretty certain had an England player said it about Wales the reaction would have been pretty interesting.
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Old 19-06-2013, 15:33
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Ok, im going for my final picks before we find out, this isn't my team this is the team I think Gatland will pick.

There is a lot of


1) Vuinipola
2) Youngs
3) Jones
4) Wynn Jones
5) O'Connal
6) Croft
7) Warburton
8) Heaslip
9) Philips
10) Sexton
11) North
12) Tualangi
13) O'Driscol
14) Cuthburt
15) Halfpenny

16) Hibbard
17) Corbisero
18) Cole
19) Parling
20) Faluatu
21) Murrey
22) Farrel
23) Davies

My only thinking that is difficult is the back row, I still think that could be any combination of the available players, Feel he will go for Croft but wouldnt be suprised to see Tupiric either way I cant see Tupiric on the bench he will either start or not be on the bench and Croft will be on the bench if he starts.

Also the Midifield, Gatland likes a midifield unit, in my opinion it should Tualangi and Davies but I think O' Driscol will get the nod. Wouldnt be disapointed if Davies started as 12 but not sure that would fit the game plan.
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Old 19-06-2013, 15:44
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Looking at the Austrailia availabilty they still have available a great team, Hooper is a magnificent 7 Horwell a really great second row, Genia will run Phillips around I should imagine.

There is a lot of talk about this being a 3-0 series, I am really not sure, if the Aussies get ball they have enough flair out wide to do some damage.
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Old 19-06-2013, 20:33
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Looking at the Austrailia availabilty they still have available a great team, Hooper is a magnificent 7 Horwell a really great second row, Genia will run Phillips around I should imagine.

There is a lot of talk about this being a 3-0 series, I am really not sure, if the Aussies get ball they have enough flair out wide to do some damage.
No chance at all. The Aussie side has class all the way through, particularly the backs. Even the front row is decent for a change, although maybe not once you get beyond the first three.

Im less confident now than I was a month ago, theres only a handful of Lions that we can rely on 100% to deliver, the captain could arguably not start, the fly half in the side more for being streets ahead of anyone else than being top class, injuries to centres, No 8 is key and hasn't played well for a while now and I could see Cuthbert or indeed any other option being targeted.

I see it being 1-1 after 2 tests, Aussies probably winning this more and us the second.
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Old 19-06-2013, 20:39
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Ok, im going for my final picks before we find out, this isn't my team this is the team I think Gatland will pick.

There is a lot of


1) Vuinipola
2) Youngs
3) Jones
4) Wynn Jones
5) O'Connal
6) Croft
7) Warburton
8) Heaslip
9) Philips
10) Sexton
11) North
12) Tualangi
13) O'Driscol
14) Cuthburt
15) Halfpenny

16) Hibbard
17) Corbisero
18) Cole
19) Parling
20) Faluatu
21) Murrey
22) Farrel
23) Davies

My only thinking that is difficult is the back row, I still think that could be any combination of the available players, Feel he will go for Croft but wouldnt be suprised to see Tupiric either way I cant see Tupiric on the bench he will either start or not be on the bench and Croft will be on the bench if he starts.

Also the Midifield, Gatland likes a midifield unit, in my opinion it should Tualangi and Davies but I think O' Driscol will get the nod. Wouldnt be disapointed if Davies started as 12 but not sure that would fit the game plan.
Doesn't sound like Tualangi will be fit, even if he is would be surprised to see 4 options at 12, in the 23.

That will generally be the side. As Faletau played so much Tuesday he probably won't be involved. Pity as I thought he had a decent game with some errors and was better than Heaslip was Saturday but results often count.

Murray did ok when he came on but over the tour not sure he's done enough to leapfrog Youngs.

I think Zebo or Kearney will definitely have the last bench spot.
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Old 19-06-2013, 20:52
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Looking at the Austrailia availabilty they still have available a great team, Hooper is a magnificent 7 Horwell a really great second row, Genia will run Phillips around I should imagine..
I tend to agree as Genia was outstanding against Wales last year - the difference between the sides. I actually think Youngs would cope better.
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Old 19-06-2013, 20:53
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Ok, im going for my final picks before we find out, this isn't my team this is the team I think Gatland will pick.

There is a lot of


1) Vuinipola
2) Youngs
3) Jones
4) Wynn Jones
5) O'Connal
6) Croft
7) Warburton
8) Heaslip
9) Philips
10) Sexton
11) North
12) Tualangi
13) O'Driscol
14) Cuthburt
15) Halfpenny

16) Hibbard
17) Corbisero
18) Cole
19) Parling
20) Faluatu
21) Murrey
22) Farrel
23) Davies

My only thinking that is difficult is the back row, I still think that could be any combination of the available players, Feel he will go for Croft but wouldnt be suprised to see Tupiric either way I cant see Tupiric on the bench he will either start or not be on the bench and Croft will be on the bench if he starts.

Also the Midifield, Gatland likes a midifield unit, in my opinion it should Tualangi and Davies but I think O' Driscol will get the nod. Wouldnt be disapointed if Davies started as 12 but not sure that would fit the game plan.
Murray and Phillipps are too similar. Youngs will bench
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Old 19-06-2013, 21:28
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With Roberts definitely out and Tualagi doubtful, anyone think Gatland might throw a curveball and put North in the centre with BOD and have Cuthbert/Maitland/Zebo as the wings.
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Old 19-06-2013, 23:19
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With Roberts definitely out and Tualagi doubtful, anyone think Gatland might throw a curveball and put North in the centre with BOD and have Cuthbert/Maitland/Zebo as the wings.
Could easily see North in the centre.
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Old 20-06-2013, 02:42
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I tend to agree as Genia was outstanding against Wales last year - the difference between the sides. I actually think Youngs would cope better.
That's a fair assessment apart from one tiny little fact...

Youngs is really, really shit.

Phillips has many, many faults but he can always put on his CV that he isn't Ben Youngs.

Murray isn't much better either.

Genia is Godlike though (unfortunately).
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