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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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Cissy Fairfax
22-06-2013
He was a poor referee. A couple of decisions Heaslips for one and Bods ive no idea what the penalties were for.

But POC shouldve got yellow and the scrum penalty one minute from the end was fair enough.
Stunty
22-06-2013
Can't quite believe how our scrum just went to pot with the changes in the last half an hour ... so lucky to come out of it with a win.

Losing that scrum within 5 metres of the Aussie line was scandalous, also giving away the penalty fom our scrum 3 minutes from time.

The coaches need to look at that aspect, the Aussies will not make the same mistakes again.
Cissy Fairfax
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Stunty:
“All the points for the Lions were scored by Wales players ..... North, Cuthbert, Halfpenny.

Just saying, ”


There was very nearly another Wales effect too.

But yep, North, AWJ and Halfpenny were outstanding in all areas.
Cissy Fairfax
22-06-2013
Makes the Tuesday game interesting. Roberts, Bowe, Tipuric and Kearney could all figure in the 23 next week if fit but do you give them any minutes.
Stunty
22-06-2013
Can't remember what that last Aussie penalty was for, but did the comentators mention that the Lions had lost their footing in the scrum? The reason why they may have given the pen??

If so, it was retribution that the guy missed his footing while missing that last kick!!


Still cannot quite believe he missed both penalty kicks.
sensoria
22-06-2013
Cole has gone from a solid dependable tight head with good skills around the park to a liability vunipolus selection on the bench was also highlighted as sound. I would say to keep Adam jones on for the full 80, I know it would be hard but I am certain he could cope as long as he doesn't get caught in defence.

They scrum situation is based around this obsession with keeping a ball in and winning a penalty, that is fine when you dominate a team, the lions after the changes did not dominate and therefore had to get the ball out quick.

All credit to the Aussie they looked like they were going to get ruined up front and backed it up. I think their bench will start next week or certainly some of them will.

The gameplan doesn't threaten the way the Aussies play and defend, you need more width and more pace onto the ball, the static one out rugby until, something opens up, will never open up the Aussies.

It has to be more creative first phase possession.
Cissy Fairfax
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by CTD101:
“Absolutely spot on.

Id bring in Tipuric at 7 move Warbs to 8. Leave AJ and Corbs on for longer. If Roberts or Tualagi are fit then replace JD”

I had real reservations about Heaslip but thought he had a decent game in defence and going forward, nothing exceptional but doesnt deserve dropping for someone who isnt even an 8. But that game was crying out for Tipuric. Croft played well.

Id do a straight swap Tipuric for Warbs with him on the bench for Lydiate who was there to tighten it up. But that wont happen. At worst Tipuric on the bench.

Otherwise if fit, Roberts, Bowe and Kearney for Davies, Cuthbert and Maitland.

Not sure about Phillips and Youngs.
sensoria
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cissy Fairfax:
“I had real reservations about Heaslip but thought he had a decent game in defence and going forward, nothing exceptional but doesnt deserve dropping for someone who isnt even an 8. But that game was crying out for Tipuric. Croft played well.

Id do a straight swap Tipuric for Warbs with him on the bench for Lydiate who was there to tighten it up. But that wont happen. At worst Tipuric on the bench.

Otherwise if fit, Roberts, Bowe and Kearney for Davies, Cuthbert and Maitland.

Not sure about Phillips and Youngs.”

Phillips was awful and the Aussies targeted him exactly how the should give him a little gap then shut the door as he takes it. He blew countless attacking options.

Warburton was anonymous, Tupiric, OBrian both offer more.
Stunty
22-06-2013
Thought George North was huge in stature, until you see him standing next to the 6ft 6 and 17 stone Alex Cuthbert.


Cuthbert is very agile and fast for a man of that stature.
Mike Teevee
22-06-2013
Epic game with a tense finish

I wonder if North will get slated for his celebration like Ashton and Armitage?
Stunty
22-06-2013
Man of the Match ...... George North.
Stunty
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Epic game with a tense finish

I wonder if North will get slated for his celebration like Ashton and Armitage?”

What did he do?
sensoria
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Epic game with a tense finish

I wonder if North will get slated for his celebration like Ashton and Armitage?”

Of course not......
afx237vi
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“Of course not......”

I don't see the problem with Ashton or Armitage either.

Who's the ref in the 2nd test?
charliesays
22-06-2013
Joubert second test and Poite for the final one.

Both should manage the breakdown much more to the Lions' liking. It's a farce as far as I'm concerned that referees are allowed to have such disparate interpretations of what's deemed a penalty. If the Super 15 want to have a super open try fest then that's their concern, but the same standards should not be brought into the international game.
Mike Teevee
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Stunty:
“What did he do? ”

http://t.co/US8R3ajKf4

Personally I like the banter, just don't understand why it's only bad when Ashton does it (or when Armitage did it in HC final).
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Hopefully our returning players will shake things up for 2nd test. We seemed to fall apart when the replacements came on.
Mark F
22-06-2013
Aussies did quite well considering the injuries they had but we got the luck I guess and North's try was excellent whilst we can always rely on Halfpenny - Wales will maintain their success with them in the side.

The changes did seem to have an affect in a negative way.

I cannot really tell how bad a ref is in rugby but clearly he wasn't good going by comments above!
afx237vi
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“http://t.co/US8R3ajKf4

Personally I like the banter, just don't understand why it's only bad when Ashton does it (or when Armitage did it in HC final)..”


The funniest thing about that is the Lions medic who is keeping pace with Genia! Never mind Shane Williams, get that guy on the bench
Thomas007
22-06-2013
The odds are the same for the 2nd test as they were for the 1st test. I assume Australia are going to get some their players back for injury?
Caltonfan
22-06-2013
Scotland beat Italy 30-29, Al Strokosch scores a try on the hooter, converted by Greig Laidlaw for the win
redvers36
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Department_S:
“Folau scores after Lions attack and had a penalty. How good is Genia.”

It was great play but Mike Phillips had two chances to tackle him and took neither.
sensoria
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“Aussies did quite well considering the injuries they had but we got the luck I guess and North's try was excellent whilst we can always rely on Halfpenny - Wales will maintain their success with them in the side.

The changes did seem to have an affect in a negative way.

I cannot really tell how bad a ref is in rugby but clearly he wasn't good going by comments above!”

Dishonest teams and dishonest fans blame refs.
Stunty
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“http://t.co/US8R3ajKf4

Personally I like the banter, just don't understand why it's only bad when Ashton does it (or when Armitage did it in HC final).
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Hopefully our returning players will shake things up for 2nd test. We seemed to fall apart when the replacements came on.”

Thanks for the link.

Can't see the problem with that, it was probably just an immediate reaction when he knew he had managed to get the better of the Aussie.

I didn't notice that during the match.
Kierenj
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by Stunty:
“All the points for the Lions were scored by Wales players ..... North, Cuthbert, Halfpenny.

Just saying, ”

For certain they play for Wales but only one of them is Welsh.... the other 2 are English

Happy with the result but I am concerned how we had no back line moves. A big Welsh fan friend of mine was telling me how Howley essentially relies on the players just being better than the opposition they tend not to have too many moves. Davies and BOD were pretty stilted; I only remember one attack through the hands and that let to Cuthbert's try.

I'm concerned we didn't put the game out of site considering they had a Flanker playing inside centre for the last 25 minutes... how we didn't exploit that more than just the one try is troublesome.
Kierenj
22-06-2013
Originally Posted by vaughan6477:
“Could I blame the all England front row that finished the game then and gave away the pen.

I recall some questioning of Steve Walsh's reffing of the scrum in the Wales v England match in the six nations. NOt from Wales supporters though

You are misjudging the attitude of Oz if you think they were only close in score due to a poor Lions display.”

It'd be a little harsh to blame an "all english front row" when one of them was Welsh... (and one is actually a kiwi).
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