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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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Mark F
10-09-2013
What's this about English and French clubs starting a "rival" European cup...

Is it down to money?
apaul
10-09-2013
Partly fairness, but mainly money.
Marmite Baby
11-09-2013
It also enables the Premiership clubs to have their 'European' games screened on BT Sport as they had agreed to.
Mike Teevee
11-09-2013
Originally Posted by Marmite Baby:
“It also enables the Premiership clubs to have their 'European' games screened on BT Sport as they had agreed to.”

which in turn gives them the full £125m contract, as opposed to £50m ish they'd get for Premiership only games
Mike Teevee
13-09-2013
FYI - tonight's Premiership game between Harlequins and Northampton is free to view

BT Sport

at the very least I'll be able to see what I'm missing
Kierenj
13-09-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“FYI - tonight's Premiership game between Harlequins and Northampton is free to view

BT Sport

at the very least I'll be able to see what I'm missing”

Awesome thanks for that.

Have you seen the news on Croft's injury... gutted for him (and England).
Mike Teevee
13-09-2013
Originally Posted by Kierenj:
“Awesome thanks for that.

Have you seen the news on Croft's injury... gutted for him (and England).”

yeah, really bad luck for him. Especially as he'd just come back from that serious neck injury.

As a Wasp fan, the news that Varndell is out injured is equally rubbish for us
davethecue
14-09-2013
Looks like a cracking game just starting on SS3. All Blacks v South Africa
davethecue
14-09-2013
Comfortable win for the All blacks 29-15. They finished with 2 players in the sin bin as well
ihatemarmite
14-09-2013
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Comfortable win for the All blacks 29-15. They finished with 2 players in the sin bin as well”

Yes but the key decisions in the 1st half by the useless French ref ruined the game. Sin bin for perfectly good if robust tackle by du Plessis - All Blacks scored. Plus debatable try for the All Blacks. Ref ruined what could have been a classic.
JSemple3
14-09-2013
Aussie's eventually won a game but was close in the end. 14-13 (Had a 14-3 lead at half time) conditions we're terrible though a lot of rain
tealady
17-09-2013
Tuilagi: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/24121653
Did he dive in the Serpentine afterwards?
Sideburns57
17-09-2013
Is he a bit 'mentally challenged'?
afx237vi
17-09-2013
Good grief, what a mountain out of a molehill. The only "mentally challenged" people are the ones criticising Tuilagi for a totally innocuous bit of fun.
Sideburns57
17-09-2013
I have not criticised him......merely questioning if he is er, a bit thick! Do not forget he has 'previous' with deciding to dive from a ferry mere yards from port. As I say......!
Pendragon579
20-09-2013
http://www.espn.co.uk/sevens-2013-14...ry/199093.html

Ben Ryan appointed as Fiji Sevens coach... blimey I didn't see that one coming at all
Pendragon579
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Sideburns57:
“I have not criticised him......merely questioning if he is er, a bit thick! Do not forget he has 'previous' with deciding to dive from a ferry mere yards from port. As I say......!”

He sure isn't coming across as the brightest player in the squad
Mike Teevee
20-09-2013
Does same apply to US volleyball team?

Obama's bunny ears

The same faux controversy happened over there too

It's just a bit of fun, not sure why some people took it so seriously
Pendragon579
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Does same apply to US volleyball team?

Obama's bunny ears

The same faux controversy happened over there too

It's just a bit of fun, not sure why some people took it so seriously”

To be fair though most people above the age of 5 wouldn't do it behind the Prime Minister's head outside Number 10 Downing Street... There's a time and a place and this most certainly wasn't it... He's paid a [relative] lot of money to do something most of us can only dream about, which rightly or wrongly makes him a role model, time he took his responsibilities a bit more seriously before he goes the way of James O'Connor

http://www.espn.co.uk/australia/rugby/story/199101.html
Mike Teevee
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Pendragon579:
“To be fair though most people above the age of 5 wouldn't do it behind the Prime Minister's head outside Number 10 Downing Street... There's a time and a place and this most certainly wasn't it... He's paid a [relative] lot of money to do something most of us can only dream about, which rightly or wrongly makes him a role model, time he took his responsibilities a bit more seriously before he goes the way of James O'Connor

http://www.espn.co.uk/australia/rugby/story/199101.html”

sorry but that seems like a tenuous linking of two separate stories

The drunken actions of O'Connor are not the same as a jokey photo bombing by Manu.

As for being a role, any parent that absolves themselves of that position and projects it onto a sports star whose job involves playing no more than 2 hours a week is pretty lacking IMO.

Roles models should be members of your own family or friends/teachers/doctor that work in your area. Someone who you watch on television or see at a sport stadium only has responsibility for their own family.
Pendragon579
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“sorry but that seems like a tenuous linking of two separate stories

The drunken actions of O'Connor are not the same as a jokey photo bombing by Manu.

As for being a role, any parent that absolves themselves of that position and projects it onto a sports star whose job involves playing no more than 2 hours a week is pretty lacking IMO.

Roles models should be members of your own family or friends/teachers/doctor that work in your area. Someone who you watch on television or see at a sport stadium only has responsibility for their own family.”

Hence the words 'rightly or wrongly' on the subject of role models

The thing with Tuilagi is, he keeps doing stupid things off the pitch and it COULD reach O'Connor proportions if not checked. Tuilagi should beware, two of the England Women's squad were left out of the squad recently for 'disciplinary' reasons and Lancaster is pretty hot on disciplinary matters when you are wearing the team blazer [especially after all the bad press at the 2011 World Cup]. Rightly or wrongly the current ethos is when you wear the team blazer or kit you are on show and should behave accordingly. The times of the 1968 Lions Tour 'Wreckers' are well and truly over methinks
Mike Teevee
20-09-2013
Presumably Hartley should be nowhere near the England squad then, as his disciplinary record is way worse than Manu (who's biggest crime on the pitch is punching Ashton).

Manu's actions and to a lesser extent the England squad during RWC are overplayed by the media. When it came down to it England team were guilty of being in bar where there was midget wrestling (not dwarf tossing as keeps getting trotted out), going on a bungee jump during the tournament and Manu taking a 10 minute swim to shore.

Compared to the ignored actions of All Black Zac Guildford, that very tame.

Sorry didn't mean to throw the whole role model comment at you specifically, meant it as those in the media who use that as a stick to bash sports stars

Kierenj
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Presumably Hartley should be nowhere near the England squad then, as his disciplinary record is way worse than Manu (who's biggest crime on the pitch is punching Ashton).

Manu's actions and to a lesser extent the England squad during RWC are overplayed by the media. When it came down to it England team were guilty of being in bar where there was midget wrestling (not dwarf tossing as keeps getting trotted out), going on a bungee jump during the tournament and Manu taking a 10 minute swim to shore.

Compared to the ignored actions of All Black Zac Guildford, that very tame.

Sorry didn't mean to throw the whole role model comment at you specifically, meant it as those in the media who use that as a stick to bash sports stars

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agree massively with this post... I don't think the England "off-field" behaviour was bad at all; it was the press blowing it out of proportion as they didn't have WAGs or in-squad fighting to get them going... plus pandering to the masses. I was more upset by the style of our play during the tournament than the drinking.

Hartley will be in the squad (I know you weren't saying he won't be), England have 2 top level hookers and the rest are a long way back.
Pendragon579
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“Presumably Hartley should be nowhere near the England squad then, as his disciplinary record is way worse than Manu (who's biggest crime on the pitch is punching Ashton).

Manu's actions and to a lesser extent the England squad during RWC are overplayed by the media. When it came down to it England team were guilty of being in bar where there was midget wrestling (not dwarf tossing as keeps getting trotted out), going on a bungee jump during the tournament and Manu taking a 10 minute swim to shore.

Compared to the ignored actions of All Black Zac Guildford, that very tame.

Sorry didn't mean to throw the whole role model comment at you specifically, meant it as those in the media who use that as a stick to bash sports stars

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Yup I wouldn't have Hartley near the squad for disciplinary reasons, though to be fair his problems occur ON the pitch.

Yes the squad's actions were overplayed by the media, but they must have known the "press" would be ready to jump on any indiscretion on or off the pitch [like in 2003], so why be so brainless as to actually give them ready ammunition

Yer average English press man [very, very average actually ] won't know who Zac Guildford is to be fair, but I take your point.
Pendragon579
20-09-2013
Originally Posted by Kierenj:
“agree massively with this post... I don't think the England "off-field" behaviour was bad at all; it was the press blowing it out of proportion as they didn't have WAGs or in-squad fighting to get them going... plus pandering to the masses. I was more upset by the style of our play during the tournament than the drinking.

Hartley will be in the squad (I know you weren't saying he won't be), England have 2 top level hookers and the rest are a long way back.”

Ironically enough we won all our matches in the Group of Death, only really came unstuck against France [and that was criminally poor tackling, twice ]. The NZ squad's off the field antics were of no interest to the NZ [or English] press... The English press will always be harder on their own countrymen... The storm over the 2008 trip to New Zealand (and the resulting Code of Conduct) should have told the grown up members of the squad [irony alert] that they needed to keep their heads down and noses clean - not fair really but the nature of the beast...
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