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The All Purpose Rugby Union Thread (P2)
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Eurostar
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Dimsie:
“Great game, just sorry it had to end as it did. My husband who's the 'expert' did warn me that there could be an upset in the last few minutes, but I didn't really believe him. Fair play to NZ though, that was some comeback.”

It was a bad day for sport. The All Blacks played nowhere near well enough over the 80 minutes to deserve a two point win.......even a draw would have been incredibly rough justice on the Irish.

I'd admire NZ's professionalism in the last three minutes but it was an ugly a win as you can imagine.
irishfeen
24-11-2013
FFS Man Utd conceding too in injury time .... what a sickening day of sport.
Anglo_Exile
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“ FFS Man Utd conceding too in injury time .... what a sickening day of sport.”

FFS!!!!! thanks for ruining MOD!!!! I have dodged the football all day!!!!
irishfeen
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Anglo_Exile:
“FFS!!!!! thanks for ruining MOM!!!! I have dodged the football all day!!!! ”

... haha sorry mate
Anglo_Exile
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“ ... haha sorry mate”

I forgive you,although i dont think i shall ever forgive sexton!!!
irishfeen
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Anglo_Exile:
“I forgive you,although i dont think i shall ever forgive sexton!!!”

To be honest it wasn't his fault either - to blame him is unfair... it just wasn't meant to be and the record continues to roll on... we will beat them sometime - I'm sure of that.
Eurostar
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Anglo_Exile:
“I forgive you,although i dont think i shall ever forgive sexton!!!”

I would say the defeat was as much about bad luck as anything : the Irish team were still on the front foot and still attacking in the 79th minute. I bet even the All Blacks were scratching their heads and asking in the dressing room afterwards how the hell they managed to "win" the match after such a below par performance by their standards......the game had effectively gone from them.
irishfeen
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I would say the defeat was as much about bad luck as anything : the Irish team were still on the front foot and still attacking in the 79th minute. I bet even the All Blacks were scratching their heads and asking in the dressing room afterwards how the hell they managed to "win" the match after such a below par performance by their standards......the game had effectively gone from them.”

Ah it was such a massive opportunity to put NZ away - still utterly sickened how it ended.
Eurostar
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“Ah it was such a massive opportunity to put NZ away - still utterly sickened how it ended.”

The frustrating thing is that we might have to wait decades to get another opportunity to beat them : it's unbelievable that we were on the front foot and deep in their territory with 20 seconds left on the clock and somehow conspired to lose the match.
irishfeen
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The frustrating thing is that we might have to wait decades to get another opportunity to beat them : it's unbelievable that we were on the front foot and deep in their territory with 20 seconds left on the clock and somehow conspired to lose the match.”

I suppose we have to take the positives out of this - we play anything like that against any of the 6 nations teams and we will beat them, simple as. We also have to remember that we should have beat NZ in their own backyard on the last tour down under where today's ref Nigel Owens unbelievably awarded a free from an Irish scrum only for NZ to come up and win the match.

The one thing I hope to come from today is the realisation from the players themselves that they have no one to fear in world rugby - we have France and England away in this years 6 nations. Its about time we go out and play with the style and freedom we did today and turn both of them over to win the grand slam - today has shown that we have the players, the sooner we get rid of this underdog mindset thing the better.
odz1
24-11-2013
Just back up north from Dublin. Great game. Sexton penalty miss was crucial, Ireland would have won the game. But the all blacks took advantage and showed why they are the best team in the world.
misslibertine
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by InTheLoop:
“They did seem too quick to point out he is well respected in the rugby world”

Well... he is.
odz1
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“ ... haha sorry mate”

lol sorry but funny
irishfeen
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by odz1:
“Just back up north from Dublin. Great game. Sexton penalty miss was crucial, Ireland would have won the game. But the all blacks took advantage and showed why they are the best team in the world.”

Ah that's a real shame for yourself - you were 20 seconds away from seeing a squad of Irish players immortalised forever in Irish sporting history - such a shame ... but heads up the future is looking very good!
Eurostar
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by odz1:
“Just back up north from Dublin. Great game. Sexton penalty miss was crucial, Ireland would have won the game. But the all blacks took advantage and showed why they are the best team in the world.”

Yep, even the NZ players acknowledged the Sexton miss in the 75th minute was absolutely crucial......their heads would have dropped a little had they gone 8 points behind.

It was the ugliest of wins for them though : they were well below par, outplayed for most of the match and didn't deserve a win of any description,
irishfeen
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Yep, even the NZ players acknowledged the Sexton miss in the 75th minute was absolutely crucial......their heads would have dropped a little had they gone 8 points behind.

It was the ugliest of wins for them though : they were well below par, outplayed for most of the match and didn't deserve a win of any description,”

I would argue that we actually didn't let them play - it doesn't necessarily mean they were below par. The ferociousness of our tackling at the breakdown was utterly amazing, we didn't just compete in the tackle but with sufficient numbers cleared out the NZ tacklers with unbelievable ease.

Our maul/lineout was also controlled and perfectly executed in the first half - for me Ireland's best ever half of rugby which I have witnessed, to say that and still loose it hard to take but we have to stand back and applaud the All-Blacks.... They are the Manchester United of rugby - they do not comprehend loosing in any shape or form, today was akin to Barcelona 1999 when the baby faced assassin took all the glory.
Eurostar
24-11-2013
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“I would argue that we actually didn't let them play - it doesn't necessarily mean they were below par. The ferociousness of our tackling at the breakdown was utterly amazing, we didn't just compete in the tackle but with sufficient numbers cleared out the NZ tacklers with unbelievable ease.

Our maul/lineout was also controlled and perfectly executed in the first half - for me Ireland's best ever half of rugby which I have witnessed, to say that and still loose it hard to take but we have to stand back and applaud the All-Blacks.... They are the Manchester United of rugby - they do not comprehend loosing in any shape or form, today was akin to Barcelona 1999 when the baby faced assassin took all the glory.”

Yes, it reminded me too of the Republic of Ireland's opening 90 minutes against France in Paris in 2009 in the WC play off. They really shocked their supposedly superior opponents by playing high up the pitch and being fearless and aggressive.

I'd agree that was the best 40 minutes from an Irish rugby team in many years. Similar to the home match against England in 2007 but even more impressive......their tacking and spirit was absolutely ferocious and deserved a much better outcome on the scoreboard (interesting to hear Kiwis on various forums say that Ireland threw away a deserved victory in the closing moments rather than NZ really doing anything to win it).
odz1
25-11-2013
Thought Ireland played well in the scrum today. Can't fault them
Mike Teevee
25-11-2013
That was such a great game yesterday, bit of a sickener for Ireland.

Unfair as it sounds, Sexton's miss cost Ireland the victory. There was no way even the mighty All Blacks would have got two scores in the final four minutes.

I hope teams see how well SA, France, England and Ireland played about New Zealand and think "hang on they're not that unbeatable".

Great achievement to go through the year unbeaten, with 14 wins. I just feel that this All Black's isn't as fantastic as the media makes them out to be.

Fair do's, you can only beat what's in front of you and they certainly did that this year.

Eurostar
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“That was such a great game yesterday, bit of a sickener for Ireland.

Unfair as it sounds, Sexton's miss cost Ireland the victory. There was no way even the mighty All Blacks would have got two scores in the final four minutes.

I hope teams see how well SA, France, England and Ireland played about New Zealand and think "hang on they're not that unbeatable".

Great achievement to go through the year unbeaten, with 14 wins. I just feel that this All Black's isn't as fantastic as the media makes them out to be.

Fair do's, you can only beat what's in front of you and they certainly did that this year.

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For certain, Sexton's miss cost Ireland the match. In truth, the All Blacks shouldn't really have scored a try with so little time left on the clock.....perhaps Irish fatigue and a sense of alarm / panic after the Sexton miss were the decisive factors, rather than any breathtaking play by NZ.
sensoria
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“That was such a great game yesterday, bit of a sickener for Ireland.

Unfair as it sounds, Sexton's miss cost Ireland the victory. There was no way even the mighty All Blacks would have got two scores in the final four minutes.

I hope teams see how well SA, France, England and Ireland played about New Zealand and think "hang on they're not that unbeatable".

Great achievement to go through the year unbeaten, with 14 wins. I just feel that this All Black's isn't as fantastic as the media makes them out to be.

Fair do's, you can only beat what's in front of you and they certainly did that this year.

”

I agree with this, to many people for to long have let the All Blacks come at them and just tried to withhold the tide. You have to hammer into them disrupt their breakdown isolate their runners and pressure them all over the place. Admittedly that is easier said than done but I think the AB's may have shown their hand to early.

They will need to take a big step up next year as the rest of the world are catching.....

even Wales might have given them a game.....
Mambo Italiano
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Anglo_Exile:
“I forgive you,although i dont think i shall ever forgive sexton!!!”

Was he fully fit? I don't follow Irish rugby that much but he seemed very out-of-sorts and uncomfortable for the whole game. Not his usual self at all.

That miss was unlucky but he missed it by inches in fairness to the boy, not like he utterly scuffed it or anything,

Sensoria - Wales wouldn't have given them a game, though I appreciate the thought No team terrifies us (or fills us with awe) more than NZ! I wish we had the same "pffft, you're not all that" mentality for them (or any other SH team!) as we do with England
misslibertine
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Mambo Italiano:
“Was he fully fit? I don't follow Irish rugby that much but he seemed very out-of-sorts and uncomfortable for the whole game. Not his usual self at all.

That miss was unlucky but he missed it by inches in fairness to the boy, not like he utterly scuffed it or anything,

Sensoria - Wales wouldn't have given them a game, though I appreciate the thought No team terrifies us (or fills us with awe) more than NZ! I wish we had the same "pffft, you're not all that" mentality for them (or any other SH team!) as we do with England ”



I think Sexton was still a doubt for the NZ game on the Wednesday before, so maybe he rushed the recovery a bit in order to be fit.
Eurostar
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by misslibertine:
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I think Sexton was still a doubt for the NZ game on the Wednesday before, so maybe he rushed the recovery a bit in order to be fit.”

He has been a very precise place kicker for Ireland in the past and I'm sure he would have gotten that penalty and the earlier conversion over a couple of years ago.

I heard today that NZ are only the second team to recover from a 19-0 deficit and still win, telling us that this was more about Ireland throwing away the match from a winning position rather than a sensational comeback from the All Blacks (they were decent enough in the second half without being impressive and it never really looked like they could pull it back until the dying moments of added time).
jeffiner1892
25-11-2013
I think the length of time Sexton took to take the kick made me think he was going to miss. Never usually takes as long as that, even for higher pressure kicks.
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