[TheAuburnEnigma]

A quick Google and this is a definition of a headbanger that I found:

A headbanger or bounce spin is performed by the man swinging the lady around with both of her feet off the ice, supported only by the man's grip on her ankle. The lady is elevated and lowered during the spin in a periodic fashion, sometimes with her head coming dangerously close to skimming the ice.

^ With that in mind, looks as though Jorgie didn't do a "headbanger" as such.

[PeggysDad]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

So who called it a 'headbanger'? Chris, Jane, Robin or Katarina?

The whole programme focussed on the return of the 'headbanger' for Jorgie.

[Tejas]

To be honest I don't care what the name is for what Jorgie did. I thought her routine was absolutely brilliant - it didn't need a headbanger to be spectacular. I had gone off her but that performance got me to vote for her again last night and I did NOT expect that to happen! I'm very very impressed.

[FantasticMrFox]

The strange thing is I don't know why they thought people wouldn't notice she didn't do a headbanger. It's a move that has featured since series one and it is known for the bounce element, which she didn't do. The rest of the routine was lovely and packed full of interesting moves so it really didn't need a 'not headbanger' and it definitely brought her marks down. It's almost amusing the way they kept trying to convince us that she had done one though.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by PeggysDad

The whole programme focussed on the return of the 'headbanger' for Jorgie.

So T & D, the judges, all called it a headbanger. Only DS doesn't.

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by Tejas

To be honest I don't care what the name is for what Jorgie did. I thought her routine was absolutely brilliant - it didn't need a headbanger to be spectacular. I had gone off her but that performance got me to vote for her again last night and I did NOT expect that to happen! I'm very very impressed.

OMG Am I really seeing this.

I must admit she shocked me too in both her dance and her skating skills. I haven't voted but I just might in the final.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by PeggysDad

She did a float spin, people have decided to invent the term 'floating headbanger' to justify the fact that they said she was going to do a headbanger and she didn't.

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

So who called it a 'headbanger'? Chris, Jane, Robin or Katarina?

I've watched bits of the show back and.....

In the training VT Jane, Chris, Matt Evers, Jorgie and Schofe's voice over refer to it as "the headbanger" no mention of "floating" anything

The first mention of a "floating headbanger" is in Tony Gubba's commentary after they'd compelted the routine .. then Schofe asks Matt E "how was the floating headbanger"

Chris Dean when asked to comment says "congratuations the first lady to take off and land ...." then he mumbles and drifts off without saying exacty what it was she'd took off and landed, he didn't mention headbanger as obviously he knows that what they did wasn't a headbanger

None of the judges referred to the move a being a headbanger

Louie - didn't mention the move at all .. just the arms, ballet moves etc

Katarina - commented on the routine as being complex and performed cleanly "and yes landing on one foot" was all she said about the last move

Robin - in reference to the move ... you could easily have done the lets just lay her on the ice and be pretty but you stuck with it

So interesting that after the performance not one of the quaified skaters on the panel or T&D referred to it as a headbanger (floating or otherwise) ... it makes me wonder if originally in training it was going to be a proper headbanger and that's why it's mentioned in the VT's as being so .. but then by the time it got to the live show it was changed to a float spin but obviously that doesn't have the same "danger" sound or shock factor of the name "headbanger" so Tony Gubba and Schofe were given the term "floating headbanger" in their notes and of course the qualified skaters didn't refer to it by name a they know it wasn't a headbanger

Although Jorgie was obviously under the impression that she had done a headbanger as in the results show when they do the post performance back stage interview she says she still can't believe she landed the headbanger and Matt says how proud of her he is (I'm a bit surprised as a professional that he doesn't appear to know what a proper headbanger consists of, and I say that as a big Matt E fan)

Chris is then interviews backstage and he refers to the headbangers in plural and says that they weren't 100% so perhaps he was referring to how Jorgie's wasn't performed like a proper headbanger if it was supposed to be one


and having watched the performance and the skate off again there was no "banging" in either of Jorgie's skates ... both times it was a float spin

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

So T & D, the judges, all called it a headbanger. Only DS doesn't.

none of the judges referred to it as being a headbanger because i wasn't .... if it was a float spin then yes she completed it albeit an untidy landing that required her partner to grab her around the waist with both hands in order to make sure she kept upright .... if it was supposed to be a headbanger then it wasn't completed as there was no "banging" just a brief float spin rotation before Jorgie exited the move

I have a feeling that a headbanger was planned originally but by the time it got to the live shows the routine had been modified to make it a float spin but they'd already hyped up the two headbangers in the show so it was too late for them to go back on it and announce it as a float spin

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by diamond1

I've watched bits of the show back and.....

In the training VT Jane, Chris, Matt Evers, Jorgie and Schofe's voice over refer to it as "the headbanger" no mention of "floating" anything

The first mention of a "floating headbanger" is in Tony Gubba's commentary after they'd compelted the routine .. then Schofe asks Matt E "how was the floating headbanger"

Chris Dean when asked to comment says "congratuations the first lady to take off and land ...." then he mumbles and drifts off without saying exacty what it was she'd took off and landed, he didn't mention headbanger as obviously he knows that what they did wasn't a headbanger

None of the judges referred to the move a being a headbanger

Louie - didn't mention the move at all .. just the arms, ballet moves etc

Katarina - commented on the routine as being complex and performed cleanly "and yes landing on one foot" was all she said about the last move

Robin - in reference to the move ... you could easily have done the lets just lay her on the ice and be pretty but you stuck with it

So interesting that after the performance not one of the quaified skaters on the panel or T&D referred to it as a headbanger (floating or otherwise) ... it makes me wonder if originally in training it was going to be a proper headbanger and that's why it's mentioned in the VT's as being so .. but then by the time it got to the live show it was changed to a float spin but obviously that doesn't have the same "danger" sound or shock factor of the name "headbanger" so Tony Gubba and Schofe were given the term "floating headbanger" in their notes and of course the qualified skaters didn't refer to it by name a they know it wasn't a headbanger

Although Jorgie was obviously under the impression that she had done a headbanger as in the results show when they do the post performance back stage interview she says she still can't believe she landed the headbanger and Matt says how proud of her he is (I'm a bit surprised as a professional that he doesn't appear to know what a proper headbanger consists of, and I say that as a big Matt E fan)

Chris is then interviews backstage and he refers to the headbangers in plural and says that they weren't 100% so perhaps he was referring to how Jorgie's wasn't performed like a proper headbanger if it was supposed to be one


and having watched the performance and the skate off again there was no "banging" in either of Jorgie's skates ... both times it was a float spin

Yet noone said it was not a headbanger. Only DS.

I don't care if it was a headbanger or not, what she did was a first on the programme, that is a fact. She went into it in the correct position and landed it in the correct position which is more than Matt's partner did.

Her performance was brilliant and some on here seem determined to knock her down on anything they can.

[FantasticMrFox]

Thanks Diamond, I was going to watch the show back to check who said what but now I needn't bother.

I have to see that I thought Matt E looked a tad uncomfortable in the backstage interview when Jorgie said she can't believe she landed a headbanger, like he didn't want to knock her. That was my interpretation at the time anyway and of course I could be very wide of the mark.

[TraceyUK]

Originally Posted by diamond1

none of the judges referred to it as being a headbanger because i wasn't .... if it was a float spin then yes she completed it albeit an untidy landing that required her partner to grab her around the waist with both hands in order to make sure she kept upright .... if it was supposed to be a headbanger then it wasn't completed as there was no "banging" just a brief float spin rotation before Jorgie exited the move

I have a feeling that a headbanger was planned originally but by the time it got to the live shows the routine had been modified to make it a float spin but they'd already hyped up the two headbangers in the show so it was too late for them to go back on it and announce it as a float spin

And nobody would ever want to admit that the little "pet" was actually not capable of doing a proper headbanger so they hedged round it

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie

Yet noone said it was not a headbanger. Only DS.

like I said above, seeing as all the hype of the show was dependent on there being two headbangers in the show and Jorgie being potentially the first female celeb to do a "professional" version the cynic in me would say that that is the reason why professional skaters like Robin and Katarina didn't point out what the actual move was ... something which anyone who is an actual skater would be able to see

So no it's not just DS ... ask any skater worth their salt and they'd tell you that that wasn't a proper headbanger

[TLC1098]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

And nobody would ever want to admit that the little "pet" was actually not capable of doing a proper headbanger so they hedged round it

What on earth is your problem?

[TraceyUK]

Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox

Thanks Diamond, I was going to watch the show back to check who said what but now I needn't bother.

I have to see that I thought Matt E looked a tad uncomfortable in the backstage interview when Jorgie said she can't believe she landed a headbanger, like he didn't want to knock her. That was my interpretation at the time anyway and of course I could be very wide of the mark.

Thats cos he's ignorant and wouldnt want to admit they actually failed

[yellowlabbie]

Originally Posted by TLC1098

What on earth is your problem?

She appears to severely dislike Jorgie and I cannot understand why.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

And nobody would ever want to admit that the little "pet" was actually not capable of doing a proper headbanger so they hedged round it

I don't think it's a case of Jorgie not being able to do the headbanger "bounce" as she has obviously done that previously in the series but perhaps she wasn't successful in being able to land the move propery after being "bounced" and spun around the amount of times required to get her feet in the locked position and then for the male to bounce her ... obviously the more rotations there are the dizzier and more disorientated the girl would be to then be able to land the move

ie compare the number of rotations they do in her actual headbanger a couple of weeks ago to the far fewer number done last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75yQdsOaa1w

[FantasticMrFox]

I still think that the best float spin was by Suzanne Shaw. She did an absolutely gorgeous rotating one that lead into the headbanger. I know she didn't land professionally but it was a really beautiful move, one of the few headbangers I've actually liked.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox

Thanks Diamond, I was going to watch the show back to check who said what but now I needn't bother.

I have to see that I thought Matt E looked a tad uncomfortable in the backstage interview when Jorgie said she can't believe she landed a headbanger, like he didn't want to knock her. That was my interpretation at the time anyway and of course I could be very wide of the mark.

yes I got that impression too .... he obviously knows that it wasn't a full headbanger but it would have probably been a bit off in the circumstances for him to say "hold on .. it wasn't actually a headbanger" ... lol

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

Thats cos he's ignorant and wouldnt want to admit they actually failed

I wouldn't say he's ignorant, that's a bit strong and offensive (especially as you appear to jump on anyone who is rude or critical of Dan) .... I think in the circumstances he couldn't really say anything and will obviously go along with it ....... do you honestlyt think that any of the other pros would have owned up in the same position?

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by FantasticMrFox

I still think that the best float spin was by Suzanne Shaw. She did an absolutely gorgeous rotating one that lead into the headbanger. I know she didn't land professionally but it was a really beautiful move, one of the few headbangers I've actually liked.

yes that was a decent one ..... do you remember poor Daniellla Westbrook the other year doing a float spin from lying on the ice and it seemed to take ages for her to get airborn? ... lol ... but she laughed about it afterwards

[TraceyUK]

Originally Posted by diamond1

yes I got that impression too .... he obviously knows that it wasn't a full headbanger but it would have probably been a bit off in the circumstances for him to say "hold on .. it wasn't actually a headbanger" ... lol




I wouldn't say he's ignorant, that's a bit strong and offensive (especially as you appear to jump on anyone who is rude or critical of Dan) .... I think in the circumstances he couldn't really say anything and will obviously go along with it ....... do you honestlyt think that any of the other pros would have owned up in the same position?

Actually the year Dan and Roxy attempted the "non" proper headbanger ie from lying down, he was first to admit it hadnt gone well, he said Roxys foot hadnt been in the correct position so he hadnt got a proper hold of her so the move failed because of this.

Also again with Dan when he dropped Hayley he admitted it was his fault.


So no excuse that Matt couldnt have said well actually the move didnt go as it should have and taken some of the blame for it.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

Actually the year Dan and Roxy attempted the "non" proper headbanger ie from lying down, he was first to admit it hadnt gone well, he said Roxys foot hadnt been in the correct position so he hadnt got a proper hold of her so the move failed because of this.

Also again with Dan when he dropped Hayley he admitted it was his fault.


So no excuse that Matt couldnt have said well actually the move didnt go as it should have and taken some of the blame for it.

both of those incidents were a lot more noticeable though than the lack of bounce in Jorgie's routine ... there was no denying the fall and when Roxanne's first attempt at the headbanger went wrong and it was picked up by T&D and the judges ..... T&D were praising Jorgie for her routine on Sunday night and so perhaps Matt thought that it looked OK and had passed as a headbanger until he'd had a chance to see it back ... I don't know .... in the two cases you mention with Dan there was no denying either incident was an obvious mistake

and let's not forget that Dan's not averse to towing the party line and going along with the show's hype ..... unless he really was having a romance with Kerry Katona when he posed for those staged pics in the park

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

Actually the year Dan and Roxy attempted the "non" proper headbanger ie from lying down, he was first to admit it hadnt gone well, he said Roxys foot hadnt been in the correct position so he hadnt got a proper hold of her so the move failed because of this.

Also again with Dan when he dropped Hayley he admitted it was his fault.


So no excuse that Matt couldnt have said well actually the move didnt go as it should have and taken some of the blame for it.

both of those incidents were a lot more noticeable though than the lack of bounce in Jorgie's routine ... there was no denying the fall and when Roxanne's first attempt at the headbanger went wrong and it was picked up by T&D and the judges ..... T&D were praising Jorgie for her routine on Sunday night and so perhaps Matt thought that it looked OK and had passed as a headbanger until he'd had a chance to see it back ... I don't know .... in the two cases you mention with Dan there was no denying either incident was an obvious mistake

and let's not forget that Dan's not averse to towing the party line and going along with the show's hype ..... unless he really was having a romance with Kerry Katona when he posed for those staged pics in the park

[TraceyUK]

Originally Posted by diamond1

both of those incidents were a lot more noticeable though than the lack of bounce in Jorgie's routine ... there was no denying the fall and when Roxanne's first attempt at the headbanger went wrong and it was picked up by T&D and the judges ..... T&D were praising Jorgie for her routine on Sunday night and so perhaps Matt thought that it looked OK and had passed as a headbanger until he'd had a chance to see it back ... I don't know .... in the two cases you mention with Dan there was no denying either incident was an obvious mistake

and let's not forget that Dan's not averse to towing the party line and going along with the show's hype ..... unless he really was having a romance with Kerry Katona when he posed for those staged pics in the park

That was something that I still dont approve of and as for the lies the previous year about Dan and Hayley having been best friends forever and ever well I'll never forgive him for that, that was all hyped up rubbish and no idea who came up with it although I suspect it was probalby Hayley as shes so good at telling lies and sucking people in

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by TraceyUK

That was something that I still dont approve of and as for the lies the previous year about Dan and Hayley having been best friends forever and ever well I'll never forgive him for that, that was all hyped up rubbish and no idea who came up with it although I suspect it was probalby Hayley as shes so good at telling lies and sucking people in

either way Dan still went along with it so let's not call Matt Evers ignorant for accepting praise for doing a headbanger when Dan seems to be perfectly willing to to go along with "lies" ... they all seem to do it at one time or another whether it's a fake showmance *cough* Sam last year or whatever

[olivej]

Originally Posted by PeggysDad

She did a float spin, people have decided to invent the term 'floating headbanger' to justify the fact that they said she was going to do a headbanger and she didn't.

thank you