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BBC Lose the Grand National and the Derby
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Glenn A
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by mersey70:
“I think it's BBC Racing that is comparable to the dinosaur.

It's soon to be extinct.”

I think it was a dinosaur in the eighties when we had the old Harrovian Julian Wilson looking down his nose at the oiks who were watching in the betting shop, while ITV and Channel 4 had a far more lively and interactive presentation team. Certainly John Mc Cririck was someone you could approach on air, whereas Wilson would probably turn his back on you.
mikw
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by Bryan Spink:
“Sorry if it;s already been mentioned but weren't Channel 4 pleading poverty a short while back and trying to get part of the licence fee? Now they can afford to launch another new channel and pay a reported (that's what I heard mentioned) £15m for the racing.”

Familiar cry of the commercial broadcaster, broke, but they can find money for thing they want.
mikw
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by Nilrem:
“As a slight aside.

Who wants to take a bet that there will be complaints both this year, and next year that the BBC shows too much sport?”

You can put money on that one!

Damned if they do......
RadiorobFM
20-03-2012
Originally Posted by mersey70:
“I think it's BBC Racing that is comparable to the dinosaur.

It's soon to be extinct.”

Whilst I don't agree with the sentiment, it is worth noting that racing is the second sport that the BBC has lost in its entirety, 14 years after they lost all of their cricket coverage, and for the second time they have lost the rights to Channel 4.
Caxton
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by hendero:
“Off the top of my head the BBC still have:

Olympics
European Championship football (and a decent bet to have shared rights to the World Cup)
MOTD
Half the F1 races live and extended highlights of the other half
6 Nations rugby
Challenge Cup rugger league
Wimbledon
Open golf
(as Mossy mentioned) World Athletics in 2015 and 2017 and the Boat Race
London Marathon
Darts and snooker
Super Bowl

Probably more I'm forgetting.”


More than enough, without even one dedicated sports channel.
Bradman
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by crofter:
“Channel 4 racing is a bit of a dinosaur in itself ...

1) you have Big Mac who is long overdue the knackers yard and is being used sparingly by CH4 as it is.
2) the female - whose sole purpose in life seems to be reading out the prices from her betfair account.
3) Alastair Down - decent enough but not really star anchor material.
4) Alice Plunkett - really only shines when interviewing the jockeys after the finish, everything else she fails at.
5) John Francome - probably one of the biggest fakes on television and you wouldn't trust him to give you the winner of a one horse race.
6) Lesley Graham - has to be the cheesiest presenter ever to get a gig.
7) Jim McGrath - the timeform guru who you would think must be able to give you loads of winners from the formbook yet never seems to hit the mark.

Only decent ones for me are Mike Cattermole, commentator Simon Holt and Thommo - who seems to only be used for novelty value nowadays by CH4.

Put your money on Claire Balding coming in and most of the other presenters getting their jotters as she could do their job with her eyes shut ...”

The thing here is that the great majority of viewers who tune in once a year (Grand national day) will not have a clue who most of these people (with the exception of McCririck) are, will they be able to hold an audience of this size (7m+) for the afternoon, also on Grand national day will Ch4 follow the BBC model and ignore all other racing on that day?.
Armagideon Time
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by Bradman:
“The thing here is that the great majority of viewers who tune in once a year (Grand national day) will not have a clue who most of these people (with the exception of McCririck) are, will they be able to hold an audience of this size (7m+) for the afternoon, also on Grand national day will Ch4 follow the BBC model and ignore all other racing on that day?.”

No, because of the Scoop 6, therefore another race from another course will have to be shown. And this will probably be the same for the Derby as well.
Straker
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by Caxton:
“More than enough, without even one dedicated sports channel.”



Just over 3 weeks of tennis over the whole year doesn’t really qualify as “enough” IMO. The Queens Club tournament will be the next to go with Wimbledon to follow in 2017 (?) when the contract comes up for renewal. IIRC Sue Barker has been making noises about leaving the Beeb and I wonder how much this belittling of tennis coverage has to do with that?
franchise
21-03-2012
Originally Posted by sporter92:
“Heres what the BBC Nations Show...”

An impressive list, and I don't think the BBC make enough of them. I don't mean move them on to main channels, but signpost them to sports fans who may want to watch events they may not even know are broadcast!
Pizzatheaction
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“Channel 4 won't have to "afford" anything, the ads will fund it.”

They'll be hoping it works out that way, anyway! But, they hoped for that with the cricket rights. Wasn't it was Simon Hughes who revealed they only broke even in one season out of the seven?
Chris1964
22-03-2012
Give the BBC have retained the Challenge Cup rights for 4 more years in the last few days, it would seem the BBC is still doing all it can to be a player in the sports market. I dont know enough about the background to know if Channel 4 success with their bid came as unexpected to the BBC and whether it was their expectation that they would hang onto the rights for a similar amount.
I wonder what the Beeb will do with the money they dont spend on the racing?
Chris1964
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by RadiorobFM:
“Whilst I don't agree with the sentiment, it is worth noting that racing is the second sport that the BBC has lost in its entirety, 14 years after they lost all of their cricket coverage, and for the second time they have lost the rights to Channel 4.”

Have to say that, even if there was some live Cricket available to bid for, I dont think there is any kind of interest within the BBC to have it back in any form. I remember with great affection watching seventies and eighties Cricket on the BBC, but its almost like there are different cultures pre and post BBC. Some kind of a line was drawn in the sand when the BBC lost the contract.
hendero
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Have to say that, even if there was some live Cricket available to bid for, I dont think there is any kind of interest within the BBC to have it back in any form. I remember with great affection watching seventies and eighties Cricket on the BBC, but its almost like there are different cultures pre and post BBC. Some kind of a line was drawn in the sand when the BBC lost the contract.”

The BBC did have the rights to the highlights of the 2011 World Cup, although the scheduling sometimes was a little curious. They still have the radio rights to international matches, and and their online coverage is not bad, although I prefer cricinfo.

But I know what you mean - letting the Test highlights go to Channel 5 did smack a little of the BBC not being interested. Still, they have a finite budget and have to pick and choose. So long as there are at least highlights on an FTA channel, that is something.
Shrewn
22-03-2012
Originally Posted by Armagideon Time:
“No, because of the Scoop 6, therefore another race from another course will have to be shown. And this will probably be the same for the Derby as well.”

Derby Day on C4 (when it moved to Saturday) was always Epsom and Donny
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