[ally08]

I think they spent all the wolf money on the Blackwater episode.

I don't really mind not seeing them much, same with the dragons, I know they are around I don't need to see them all the time.

[Apple_Crumble]

That wolf wasn't much of a bodyguard for yer nurr nuthing Jon Snow. They must be on a part-time contract.

[starman700]

Originally Posted by Thrombin

All these wolves seem to be conveniently absent whenever they're needed

yep they are pretty Dire


ill get my coat...

[kimotag]

Originally Posted by Apple_Crumble

Has anyone seen the film The Others? If you have ..

Spoiler

The couple, Mr and Mrs Marlish, whom take part in the séance near the end of the film, are played by Keith Allen (father of Alfie Allen aka Theon Greyjoy) and Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Stark). Just something I noticed

Any more GOT links?

I saw the woman who plays Melisandre (Carice Van Houten) in the 2011 movie, 'Intruders'.

[buffyslay]

Originally Posted by Thrombin

All these wolves seem to be conveniently absent whenever they're needed

hmmm..... he;'s there a lot more in the books - i guess its hard to get everything in though

[Apple_Crumble]

Originally Posted by kimotag

I saw the woman who plays Melisandre (Carice Van Houten) in the 2011 movie, 'Intruders'.

She was in Black Death with Sean Bean.

Tom Wlaschiha (Jaqen H'ghar) is in Valkyrie along with Carice Van Houten.

Carice van Houten and Liam Cunningham play the main characters in the Dutch film Black Butterflies which came out last year.

[kimotag]

Originally Posted by Darthchaffinch

Might have missed it here, but I didn't get who the boy with Laura Heady had on her lap at the end? Was that Joffrey?!?

That was Tommen, her youngest son!

[starman700]

Originally Posted by kimotag

I saw the woman who plays Melisandre (Carice Van Houten) in the 2011 movie, 'Intruders'.

she was great in black book

[ally08]

I read that as Black Books there, that would be hilarious, I would love to see Bernards face when she started on her night is dark and full of terrors speech.

[starman700]

Originally Posted by ally08

I read that as Black Books there, that would be hilarious, I would love to see Bernards face when she started on her night is dark and full of terrors speech.

lol yeah very similar name but it is a good film worth wacthing

[reddress]

Originally Posted by Jayma

Yes, I also hope Tyrion survives, and that his family give him the appropriate credit for his actions in taking out a large portion of Stannis' fleet before Tywin arrived.

The downside is that if Tyrion is somewhat incapacitated, that may lead Shae to his bedside, and Cersei will then be alerted to who Tyrion's real love is. I don't think even Tyrion's heroics would stop Cersei from taking revenge and harming Shae.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when the three Lannisters were growing up. I bet Jaime had to do a lot of peacemaking between Cersei and Tyrion! I'd probably stop being a fly on the wall when Cersei and Jaime reached adolescence though...

Not so much spoiler as back story about Jamie and Cersei

Spoiler

it's mentioned in book 2 that their relationship was already sexually experimental by the age of 8! From then on their bedrooms were at the opposite ends of their castle.

Did anyone mange to get a good look at who attacked Tyrion?

The backwater battle was fantastic way better than how I imagined it. I actually much preferred the episode than reading the chapters in the book, a lot more cohevent.

[starman700]

Did anyone mange to get a good look at who attacked Tyrion?

it was one of the kings guard Ser Mandan Moore

[mindset]

Originally Posted by brangdon

Sansa helps validate their version of events: ie that Ned Stark was a traitor and that he lied about Joff's parentage. Having Ned's own daughter back this up is worth a lot in PR, and it continues to be relevant as they are still fighting Stannis and Robb. It gives Joff legitimacy as Robert's heir, continuing a betrothal Robert planned. It helps justify their part in the war.

But following Ned Stark's "confession" and consequent execution, all the powers (noble families) that be in Westeros will be aware that Sansa is under duress (no other member of her family present even for her Royal Wedding?) and would discount whatever statement is attributed to her. Her only real (IMO) use to the Lannisters is as hostage for Jaime.

Besides hasn't Stannis told all and sundry about Joffrey's parentage now anyway?

Also, betrothals and weddings are taken very seriously in this culture. If they cancel the wedding on a whim, why should the next prospective bride believe anything they say? (This is why Robb still has to marry Frey's daughter even though he'd now rather marry someone else.)

Cancelling the Joffrey/Sansa wedding could hardly be called a whim, when the two families are in a fight to the death. The occasion would be just a little tense, when the man supposed to be giving away the bride would much rather place the groom's head on a spike.

Any other prospective bride wouldn't necessarily have to believe what the Lannisters say, so long as it's clear that the two families share political (and other) interests. Which is why I think we'll be seeing Queen Margaery before too long.....

[reddress]

Originally Posted by starman700

it was one of the kings guard Ser Mandan Moore

Thanks.

[ally08]

Talking about links, the old bear, commander of the night watch as Hengis in an episode of Merlin.

Not sure which he is better in but the man was born to wear a cloak.

[Apple_Crumble]

Originally Posted by ally08

Talking about links, the old bear, commander of the night watch as Hengis in an episode of Merlin.

Not sure which he is better in but the man was born to wear a cloak.

He was also in Highlander, Braveheart, Trainspotting, Emma and Troy. He also appeared in Soldier Soldier as Lieutenant Colonel Philip Drysdale.

Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister) was also in Soldier Soldier.

Stephen Dillane (Stannis) and Lena Headey were in The Parloe Officer. 00:28 onwards ..

[brangdon]

Originally Posted by mindset

But following Ned Stark's "confession" and consequent execution, all the powers (noble families) that be in Westeros will be aware that Sansa is under duress (no other member of her family present even for her Royal Wedding?) and would discount whatever statement is attributed to her.

It doesn't matter. It still helps the look of the thing. And it's not just about what "powers" think. They need to keep the common people on their side too. They need their soldiers to fight.

Her only real (IMO) use to the Lannisters is as hostage for Jaime.

As Narcotic Candy says, she also has a claim on Winterfell.

Besides hasn't Stannis told all and sundry about Joffrey's parentage now anyway?

Not everyone believes him.

Cancelling the Joffrey/Sansa wedding could hardly be called a whim, when the two families are in a fight to the death. The occasion would be just a little tense, when the man supposed to be giving away the bride would much rather place the groom's head on a spike.

Nevertheless, the Lannisters can keep their claim on the moral high ground by going through with it. It's the Starks who turned traitor and started the war. The Lannisters are defending themselves and upholding the law.

Any other prospective bride wouldn't necessarily have to believe what the Lannisters say, so long as it's clear that the two families share political (and other) interests.

If they don't stick to their deals, no-one will deal with them regardless. Their honour matters. "A Lannister always pays his debts".

[vicky2424]

Originally Posted by brangdon

Nevertheless, the Lannisters can keep their claim on the moral high ground by going through with it. It's the Starks who turned traitor and started the war. The Lannisters are defending themselves and upholding the law.

Although you've got to remember during Robert's Rebellion it was the Lannisters who turned traitor and followed Robert after starting the war. Morality is very thin on the ground in Westeros, and if anyone's got it, it's the Starks.

[mindset]

Originally Posted by brangdon

It doesn't matter. It still helps the look of the thing. And it's not just about what "powers" think. They need to keep the common people on their side too. They need their soldiers to fight.

We've already seen what the great unwashed think of the Lannisters, thanks to Bron pointing it out to Tyrion and pig shit being thrown at Joffrey. How is Sansa supposed to help with this, given that those same "common people" tried to rape her?

As Narcotic Candy says, she also has a claim on Winterfell.

Sansa has a tenuous claim to Winterfell at best. But what is that worth to the Lannisters anyway? Aren't they already loaded? Isn't what they want most to settle Joffrey's succession? What they need most are political/military allies. Bring forward the Stannis hating Tyrells. Sansa has no political worth at all as far as I know and she isn't a soldier.

Not everyone believes him.

How do you know?

Nevertheless, the Lannisters can keep their claim on the moral high ground by going through with it. It's the Starks who turned traitor and started the war. The Lannisters are defending themselves and upholding the law.

If they don't stick to their deals, no-one will deal with them regardless. Their honour matters. "A Lannister always pays his debts".

Your second paragraph is answered by your first. The Starks broke the deal, so what "debt" do the Lannisters owe them?

[Nick_2005]

Sneak peek at something to look forward to if you enjoy the music from the show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWJW...hannel&list=UL

[Verence]

Originally Posted by mindset

Sansa has a tenuous claim to Winterfell at best. But what is that worth to the Lannisters anyway? Aren't they already loaded? Isn't what they want most to settle Joffrey's succession? What they need most are political/military allies. Bring forward the Stannis hating Tyrells. Sansa has no political worth at all as far as I know and she isn't a soldier.

Not at all tenous really

As far as people are concerned Brandon and Rickon are dead and Arya has disappeared so that makes Sansa the sole heir of Robb.


Found another link

Liam Cunningham, Michael McElhatton (Roose Bolton) and Ian McElhinney (Ser Barristan Selmy) will both be appearing in this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1695366/

[mindset]

Originally Posted by Verence

Not at all tenous really

As far as people are concerned Brandon and Rickon are dead and Arya has disappeared so that makes Sansa the sole heir of Robb.

Which people though? As far as Kings Landing knows, there are 3 males ahead of Sansa. Robb and Catelyn haven't heard anything about Bran and Rickon either.

Most of the residents of Winterfell (and Theon's sister and her men) think the 2 young boys are dead. But so what? What they believe has no bearing on Sansa's worth to the Lannisters.

[Verence]

Originally Posted by mindset

Which people though? As far as Kings Landing knows, there are 3 males ahead of Sansa. Robb and Catelyn haven't heard anything about Bran and Rickon either.

Most of the residents of Winterfell (and Theon's sister and her men) think the 2 young boys are dead. But so what? What they believe has no bearing on Sansa's worth to the Lannisters.

But information about the "death" of the two lads would drift South at an extremely fast pace cos let's face it there's a good chance that Lord Varys has informants in the North.

[ally08]

A bit OT but I'm watching Lord of the Rings and remembered someone saying that although the Blackwater battle was ok it was hardly up to the standard of the battles in LOTRs.

You don't say, slightly unrealistic expectations there.

[performingmonk]

Yep, Peter Jackson had several weeks and several million dollars to shoot the battle of Helm's Deep. What we got with Blackwater was very impressive considering the constraints of a TV show.