[mojo5000]

Just caught up with tonight's E4. Great episode. Still not keen on how they're going to shoehorn Phoebe into Jacqui and Rhys's flat - now Terry's moping over her!

Martha is a fantastic character - loved her scenes. And the students are the best in years (for me, maybe ever) that's as long as I blank out Will. He is not a good character and ropey on the acting front I feel.

The Mitzeee, Nancy "bitch" scene was great as was Darren and Charlie.

[iShum]

Originally Posted by ally08

I don't really have a problem with a ranting, it's very cathartic but these are not real people and saying something unkind about a FICTIONAL character on a forum does not mean a bloody thing.

I agree, it's fictional, why can't people say whatever they want too? That's the whole point of a forum is it not?

If people don't like something, it's generally going to be negative. But I read this thread during the Fright Night saga and it was an extremely positive thing to read, a lot of people think the show is dull right now, so they'll give negative feedback. That's life

I don't have a problem with anyone saying they wish a fictional character harm or death, I trust most people sense the difference between real life and fiction

I didn't mind tonights episode but it wasn't amazing either

[Neomysterio]

Tonight's E4 was the best of the week for me, it had a very good mixture and I'm still a bit shocked at how much I really like George! I had a smile on my face when he stepped off the bus!

[Bluebird69]

Originally Posted by ally08

I don't really have a problem with a ranting, it's very cathartic but these are not real people and saying something unkind about a FICTIONAL character on a forum does not mean a bloody thing.

Originally Posted by iShum

I agree, it's fictional, why can't people say whatever they want too? That's the whole point of a forum is it not?

I don't have a problem with anyone saying they wish a fictional character harm or death, I trust most people sense the difference between real life and fiction

An interesting shift in perspective.

*bookmarks for future reference*

:

No comment on the current (Brendan-less) episodes. It's all very at the moment.

[Sifter22]

Wasn't too bad tonight. Really liked Martha and Nancy especially. I don't get why Phoebe would hang around right in the village with the dog when she knew Jaqui lived there. But I guess they need a way to keep her around, just seems a bit simple.

[laurenlawson]

I'm loving tonight's e4!

[tinkie]

Originally Posted by Sifter22

Wasn't too bad tonight. Really liked Martha and Nancy especially. I don't get why Phoebe would hang around right in the village with the dog when she knew Jaqui lived there. But I guess they need a way to keep her around, just seems a bit simple.

That's what I thought and I don't know that a dog would get that attached to somebody after one day

[Neomysterio]

Originally Posted by laurenlawson

I'm loving tonight's e4!

Funny, isn't it? I've been a bit "meh" all week but then tonight I was really loving it!

[TheMunch]

Barney is similar to Brendan in that he can mix with almost anyone. He was good with Dennis the other day and he was funny when he was talking about foxes with Callum and George. He's also good with Martha.

I hope we see more of the freshers outside of the university terms/semesters. We spent all that time watching Scott watching Annalise from a distance and they kind of have to get together now...even though I'd prefer Annalise and Barney. We also haven't seen much of Barney struggling with money. It'd have been good to see him go poor and then relate to George.

[victoria1961]

makes sense for Ash to move back home, she will literally live around the corner from the dorms so she will save a packet in rent.

[npd6900]

Originally Posted by iShum

I agree, it's fictional, why can't people say whatever they want too? That's the whole point of a forum is it not?

If people don't like something, it's generally going to be negative. But I read this thread during the Fright Night saga and it was an extremely positive thing to read, a lot of people think the show is dull right now, so they'll give negative feedback. That's life

I don't have a problem with anyone saying they wish a fictional character harm or death, I trust most people sense the difference between real life and fiction

I didn't mind tonights episode but it wasn't amazing either

I'm not saying that people should change their opinions at all, I was just expressing my views on the general negativity of the forum, i.e. I was doing what people do here and saying what I wanted to say

[iShum]

Originally Posted by npd6900

I was just expressing my views on the general negativity of the forum, i.e. I was doing what people do here and saying what I wanted to say

which is fair enough. everyone has a bit of negativity on it somewhere along the way. whether it be directly about the show, a character, or the fact that people are being negative at all

as a side note, I just made the mistake of looking at the sport relief thread on digital spy, makes any negativity on this thread pale

[ally08]

Originally Posted by iShum

which is fair enough. everyone has a bit of negativity on it somewhere along the way. whether it be directly about the show, a character, or the fact that people are being negative at all

as a side note, I just made the mistake of looking at the sport relief thread on digital spy, makes any negativity on this thread pale

God you are brave.

I really don't find this thread that negative, maybe I am just a naturally negative person anyway and so I don't recognise it, what I like about this thread is that while you get people just bitching they tend to explain themselves as well.

Whether you agree or disagree with someone it is good to see reasoned posts.

I never, or very rarely, post in the EE threads because I find them the exact opposite, you do have some good posters but a lot what goes on in there makes us look like wimps.

To keep up my rep I would like to say that although I enjoyed tonights episode I quite seriously thought that Will was abysmal, I will take Callum's dead eyed zombie qualities anyday over Will shouting Wardy into his phone over and over.

We get it Will you and Wardy are bessie mates.

[tinkie]

Originally Posted by ally08

God you are brave.

I really don't find this thread that negative, maybe I am just a naturally negative person anyway and so I don't recognise it, what I like about this thread is that while you get people just bitching they tend to explain themselves as well.

Whether you agree or disagree with someone it is good to see reasoned posts.

I never, or very rarely, post in the EE threads because I find them the exact opposite, you do have some good posters but a lot what goes on in there makes us look like wimps.

To keep up my rep I would like to say that although I enjoyed tonights episode I quite seriously thought that Will was abysmal, I will take Callum's dead eyed zombie qualities anyday over Will shouting Wardy into his phone over and over.

We get it Will you and Wardy are bessie mates.

It was awful, he seriously can't act

[cyrilandshirley]

Originally Posted by Bluebird69

An interesting shift in perspective.

*bookmarks for future reference*

:

No comment on the current (Brendan-less) episodes. It's all very at the moment.

Guess it all depends whether it's done with a sense of good humour really, for me. As long as there's no meanness in it, I can't see the harm.

I liked tonight's. Martha's a great character. Love most of the students, Annalise, Scott and Barney specially. Enjoyed yet another hopeless seduction of an available female from Joel, though it was pure cringe really. Adored Darren, Nancy and Charlie. Loved Mitzeee in a hard hat.

Even ... didn't mind George and Callum.

Agree that Will is unlikeable, and a poor actor, which doesn't help.

And ... very much looking forward to having Brendan back doing something decent.

[ally08]

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley

Guess it all depends whether it's done with a sense of good humour really, for me. As long as there's no meanness in it, I can't see the harm.

I liked tonight's. Martha's a great character. Love most of the students, Annalise, Scott and Barney specially. Enjoyed yet another hopeless seduction of an available female from Joel, though it was pure cringe really. Adored Darren, Nancy and Charlie. Loved Mitzeee in a hard hat.

Even ... didn't mind George and Callum.

Agree that Will is unlikeable, and a poor actor, which doesn't help.

And ... very much looking forward to having Brendan back doing something decent.

Indecent for me please.

[cyrilandshirley]

Originally Posted by ally08

Indecent for me please.

I walked into that ...

[npd6900]

Something I've kind of thought of, it might be interesting for a friendship to develop between Martha and Diane (cue jokes of 'who's Diane?'), it would give Diane an excuse to be on screen at least

[sazb12]

Originally Posted by iShum

what's worse is Amy is a well liked, long established character played by a more than able actress, as minor as the storyline may be, she doesn't even get 5 mins of screen time to show it in favour of the many, often teen, new characters. I didn't even hear the mentions of Amy, I only picked up on it through here

Sorry, bit late in replying to these but just wanted to replied back.

Yeah exactly, that's my point. It seems like they can't even be bothered with Ally, yet seem to be, once again, throwing SL after SL at another new teen.

Originally Posted by tinkie

BIB Correct me if I am wrong, yes we seem to know where this is going but didn't Jacqui & Rhys rent out their room because they couldn't afford the rent, they were in dire straights when they took in Ally (why is he there) but It seems that they are going to take in a non working thief, are they going to clothe her as in Callum's family clothed George, feed her etc. come on HO's this is getting to the point of being ridiculous

I was thinking during tonight's ep, like you would ever let someone stay in your home, who you have already let stay once, and they stole some of your personal belongings and your dog! How on earth would you be able to trust them? I know i sure wouldn't, but then maybe that's just me.

Originally Posted by Jingle Jangle

You're not in a minority. I'm not fussed by Riley and Mitzeee either. The distant cousin thing doesn't bother me, I just don't see them together. Granted, they have some on screen chemistry, but Mitzeee's an old-fashioned good time girl, she likes to live her life on the edge a bit. Whether you liked her with Warren or not, she seemed to get off on the danger of being with him. Riley's ever so nice and he's grown on me, but he's just a bit boring and ordinary for her.

Yeah, i think that's the thing with it for me, it's not the cousin thing at all, i think its the fact that i feel like she's a bit more goody goody when she is around Riley and a bit dull, if i dare say that, cos Mitzeee really isn't dull. I just cant see this spark that a lot of other people are obviously seeing.

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by npd6900

Right, let's get one thing straight once and for all: Will does NOT deserve to die! Of all the Savages and the freshers, Will is the most annoying and badly written and his actions of late have caused most people to hate him, but he hasn't actually done anything to warrant deserving dying. Say Will was a real life person and he did those things, would you still feel the same way if you knew him personally? No, you would avoid him and dislike him most likely but you would be less likely to wish him dead. You can't just wish a character to die just because they're annoying. The same goes for Maddie, she is very, VERY irritating and badly written but she hasn't done anything to warrant it (and I'll tell you why in comparison below). I'm shocked and sickened by the callous and brutal thoughts that people have towards those who truly don't deserve it just because they're fictional.

To me, the characters in soaps who truly deserve to die are those who have done criminal things and injustices that make them deserve to die: Silas deserves to die for all the murders he committed, Warren deserved to die for his murders and his threats towards people, Theresa deserves to die for killing Calvin, Joel deserves to die for beating up people before moving to HO and for beating up Will (whilst condoned by most people here, it wouldn't be condoned in real life, or in a court of law in HO either as Brendan can release that tape at any time), and even thinking about it, even Rhys deserved to die when he spiked his brother's drink, causing Josh to nearly kill himself and his friends and letting Josh take the fall, causing an awful lot of injustice!

Sorry for the rant, but I am sick and tired of the constant cynicism on this board. And thanks to the internet, this isn't restricted to HO, but this happens for EVERY SINGLE TV program/film imaginable. I genuinely feel that people have bitterness and resentment towards the TV/film industry these days. It's an industry with a true sense of work ethic as the cast and crew work very very hard to make these things and no one is ever grateful, they just go onto the internet and moan about it, even if the thing is brilliant!

To summarise: if characters like Will and Maddie break the law by doing something that causes physical harm to another human being, then you can wish them dead. Until then, I implore you to end this cynicism. It's down to the writing that this cynicism is being created, it's a pattern I've noticed over looking at this board for well over a year.

Again, sorry for the huge rant, but I feel very, VERY angry right now

What absolute rubbish.

Firstly we're talking about fictional characters - nobody is wishing any harm on anyone real and talk of killing off people when it comes to soap is basically people saying they think people should be written out. That said I do agree I'd rather see Will leave than be killed.

Secondly - people die everyday who don't deserve too - unlike soap death isn't used as a way of showing that bad guys get their comeuppance.

And thirdly if you hate the net disecting TV so much why bother joining a forum dedicated to it?

Originally Posted by kay23

Loved the Darren/Charlie/Nancy scenes.

I'm also loving Martha.

Mitzeee dressed as a builder made the whole episode.

Ditto, ditto and ditto!

[blazingfire]

Oh god Will and his going on about Wardy was awful. I've never seen the actor in anything else, but he definitely cannot play a geeky character. It is not okay to just shout in your scenes and be this "socially awkward" character. It just makes him look like an idiot.

Annalise and her awkward dancing is great I relate a lot to her.

And Martha was great! They've established a good character there. Hope we get more of her

[blazingfire]

Originally Posted by npd6900

I know a lot of people might find this a bit odd, but personally when it comes to families in HO, it's a kind of either all of the family stays or all of the family goes. I don't mind it if only one remains (e.g. Rhys, Riley, Lee when he came back on his own) and the McQueens are an exception cos their family is so massively huge, but I always feel uncomfortable when one or two go and other stay for some reason. That's why I don't want any of the Savages to be axed as some (i.e. Dirk and Liberty) are liked, and I'd be uncomfortable if any of the Kanes or Osbornes go too with other family members remaining. Don't ask me why, it's just something I feel weird about

Families did tend to leave as a flock years ago, so there wasn't really a good rep for those who stayed behind.
When i fell in love with the McQueen family in 2006, I remember saying "Oh god, if one of them leaves they'll all leave" and I was gladly mistaken, as they all didn't take off after JP left.
I agree, if you look at the Kanes, together they add something, a likeability factor, but separately, there's not a lot there. Callum was only really made likeable/interesting for me with his family scenes. if I had to pick my favourite it'd be Martha.
I hope the producer isn't quick to axe without thinking about the affect it will have on the other family members. Getting rid of some family members often leave the others without a leg to stand on.

With the odd exception, of course.

[Bluebird69]

Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley

Guess it all depends whether it's done with a sense of good humour really, for me. As long as there's no meanness in it, I can't see the harm.


And ... very much looking forward to having Brendan back doing something decent.

Well, wishing death on someone is pretty mean any which way you look at really, isn't it?

But I don't have a problem with anyone wishing a gruesome fate to fall upon a fictional character they strongly dislike. We're all allowed to have our irrational likes and dislikes of soap characters, no harm done by it imo

But I do get slightly bugged by the hypocrisy of some posters who frequently wish death on their own 'hated' (for want of a better word) characters, and often in a not particularly humorous way either, yet get arsey when the same sentiments are expressed towards their own favourite characters.

And yes to Brendan coming back soon with something decent (or indecent). Hell, I don't care what he's doing, as long as he's back. I miss him

[Bluebird69]

Originally Posted by iShum

what's worse is Amy is a well liked, long established character played by a more than able actress, as minor as the storyline may be, she doesn't even get 5 mins of screen time to show it in favour of the many, often teen, new characters. I didn't even hear the mentions of Amy, I only picked up on it through here

Actually, I'm pretty grateful that we've been spared any Amy/Ally scenes. I think they would have been just as unwatchable as any of the teen storylines - perhaps even more so!

[npd6900]

Ok, let's say I wanted to take a gun and kill James Atherton with it. People might react strongly to the fact that I'm talking about murdering a real life actor in punishment for his terrible acting. It's amazing how fiction causes people's opinions and values to change. It doesn't matter anyway, it's been made clear on here that my views are twisted and wrong.

By the way, I joined the forum to find out information about the show's future as it goes on, i.e. if it will be axed, as well as my own ideas as to what could be included in the show (not necessarily to improve it, but just ideas that appear in my head).

Also, any opinions I have made about HO have not slandered it. When it comes to fiction, I like characters/storylines, otherwise I have no feeling over it. There are more important things in life than slandering TV/film.