I'd welcome the screen being a bit larger, but as long as it doesn't make the phone itself bigger. The only way they can do that is to change the aspect ratio. But that could be problematic in itself as apps will need to be modified etc.
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If the next iPhone has a 4.6" screen, I will eat my face.
Apple decided right from the start that a 3:2 aspect ratio is the one true way. Therefore, a 4.6" screen would make the next iPhone as wide as a Galaxy Note. And that's just silly.
The only way they could reach 4.6" without making the phone ridiculously unwieldy, would be the adopt a wide aspect ratio, say 16:9. But that would introduce significant elements of fragmentation and compatibility issues with existing apps.
So if I were a betting man, I would say if the next iPhone does indeed get a screen size increase, it will be to between 3.8" and 4".
Apple decided right from the start that a 3:2 aspect ratio is the one true way. Therefore, a 4.6" screen would make the next iPhone as wide as a Galaxy Note. And that's just silly.
The only way they could reach 4.6" without making the phone ridiculously unwieldy, would be the adopt a wide aspect ratio, say 16:9. But that would introduce significant elements of fragmentation and compatibility issues with existing apps.
So if I were a betting man, I would say if the next iPhone does indeed get a screen size increase, it will be to between 3.8" and 4".
Because it is a 3:2 ratio, apple won't consider any other ratio because it will cause "fragmentation" on their other phones, I cannot see the screen size going above 4. My 4.3 Desire HD is 68mm wide and this is a 5:3 ratio. 3:2 ratio at 4.3 inch will be over 70mm wide and I cannot see Apple making a phone that wide.
I say Apple will go increase the screen to around 3.7 - 3.9 inch but nothing bigger than that.
I say Apple will go increase the screen to around 3.7 - 3.9 inch but nothing bigger than that.
Well it will probably be true (or at least a 4") and they will most definitely act like the first manufacturer in the world to have a 4.6" phone. There's only so long that you can stay with a screen size suited for 2008. 
Originally Posted by springy:
“Because it is a 3:2 ratio, apple won't consider any other ratio because it will cause "fragmentation" on their other phones, I cannot see the screen size going above 4. My 4.3 Desire HD is 68mm wide and this is a 5:3 ratio. 3:2 ratio at 4.3 inch will be over 70mm wide and I cannot see Apple making a phone that wide.
I say Apple will go increase the screen to around 3.7 - 3.9 inch but nothing bigger than that.”
“Because it is a 3:2 ratio, apple won't consider any other ratio because it will cause "fragmentation" on their other phones, I cannot see the screen size going above 4. My 4.3 Desire HD is 68mm wide and this is a 5:3 ratio. 3:2 ratio at 4.3 inch will be over 70mm wide and I cannot see Apple making a phone that wide.
I say Apple will go increase the screen to around 3.7 - 3.9 inch but nothing bigger than that.”
I think any screen size increase will go hand in hand with them finding a way to decrease the bezel thickness. That way they won't necessarily have to increase the overall size of the phone itself.
But considering every phone I've seen have pretty much the same bezel thickness, I'm not sure it's even technically possible yet.
PS - Latest rumour says the next iPhone will stick with the same size screen.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Well it will probably be true (or at least a 4") and they will most definitely act like the first manufacturer in the world to have a 4.6" phone. There's only so long that you can stay with a screen size suited for 2008.”
“Well it will probably be true (or at least a 4") and they will most definitely act like the first manufacturer in the world to have a 4.6" phone. There's only so long that you can stay with a screen size suited for 2008.
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You're looking at this very mono-perspectively. In various forums discussing this, for every person who's insisting the iPhone needs a larger screen, there's another who's insisting if the iPhone was any bigger, they'd wouldn't want it. You can't please everyone.
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“You're looking at this very mono-perspectively. In various forums discussing this, for every person who's insisting the iPhone needs a larger screen, there's another who's insisting if the iPhone was any bigger, they'd wouldn't want it. You can't please everyone.”
“You're looking at this very mono-perspectively. In various forums discussing this, for every person who's insisting the iPhone needs a larger screen, there's another who's insisting if the iPhone was any bigger, they'd wouldn't want it. You can't please everyone.”
They shot themselves in the foot by saying 'no-one wants a big screened phone' and 'who wants to put a tablet in their pocket' etc...yet mere months later, phones like the Evo 4G, Desire HD and Galaxy S II were flying off the shelves...
I don't think their hardware is really competitive any more. Besides it being an iPhone and personal preference for iOS there are other devices which blow this out of orbit. They really need to upgrade to at least a 4" screen at a minimum to remain competitive in the future. Just look at the massive disappointment of the 4S launch. Everyone was expecting a screen bump.
I don't think it's mono-perspective to say that they need to increase their screen size. Besides is there really that much difference between 3.5" and ~4" that it would be detrimental for their consumer base? I think it's just a case of Apple being stubborn and thinking that they can dictate the market but it has not worked.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“They shot themselves in the foot by saying 'no-one wants a big screened phone' and 'who wants to put a tablet in their pocket' etc...yet mere months later, phones like the Evo 4G, Desire HD and Galaxy S II were flying off the shelves...
I don't think their hardware is really competitive any more. Besides it being an iPhone and personal preference for iOS there are other devices which blow this out of orbit. They really need to upgrade to at least a 4" screen at a minimum to remain competitive in the future. Just look at the massive disappointment of the 4S launch. Everyone was expecting a screen bump.
I don't think it's mono-perspective to say that they need to increase their screen size. Besides is there really that much difference between 3.5" and ~4" that it would be detrimental for their consumer base? I think it's just a case of Apple being stubborn and thinking that they can dictate the market but it has not worked.”
“They shot themselves in the foot by saying 'no-one wants a big screened phone' and 'who wants to put a tablet in their pocket' etc...yet mere months later, phones like the Evo 4G, Desire HD and Galaxy S II were flying off the shelves...
I don't think their hardware is really competitive any more. Besides it being an iPhone and personal preference for iOS there are other devices which blow this out of orbit. They really need to upgrade to at least a 4" screen at a minimum to remain competitive in the future. Just look at the massive disappointment of the 4S launch. Everyone was expecting a screen bump.
I don't think it's mono-perspective to say that they need to increase their screen size. Besides is there really that much difference between 3.5" and ~4" that it would be detrimental for their consumer base? I think it's just a case of Apple being stubborn and thinking that they can dictate the market but it has not worked.”
It's not that anyone is insisting 3.5" is the best screen size. It's that going any larger would likely increase the size of the phone itself. That's what many folk are against. They don't want their next phone to be more unwieldy than their last.
For illustration, without dipping into wide aspect ratio or being able to reduce the bezel thickness, going to 4" would increase the width of the phone by 0.26" - an 11% increase.
Going 4.3" would add 0.43" - a 22% increase.
Going 4.6" would add 0.59" - a 30% increase.
So where do you draw the line? Wherever you draw it, someone is going to think it sucks.
The iPhone 4s was a poor upgrade by Apple and unless they do something big for the 5 they will continue to lose sales.
I am stuck with the IPhone 4 until the 5 is out but if not a big update I won't upgrade and will go with a new brand . As the cost won't be justifeld for a smallish upgrade
The Phone market is moving at a swifter pace than apple seem to realise and they need to get the 5 right!
I am stuck with the IPhone 4 until the 5 is out but if not a big update I won't upgrade and will go with a new brand . As the cost won't be justifeld for a smallish upgrade
The Phone market is moving at a swifter pace than apple seem to realise and they need to get the 5 right!
If they do that, the phone will be simular in size to the Galaxy Nexus... I would not upgrade.
IMO 4.3 inch should be the max they go to.
IMO 4.3 inch should be the max they go to.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“The iPhone 4s was a poor upgrade by Apple and unless they do something big for the 5 they will continue to lose sales.
I am stuck with the IPhone 4 until the 5 is out but if not a big update I won't upgrade and will go with a new brand . As the cost won't be justifeld for a smallish upgrade
The Phone market is moving at a swifter pace than apple seem to realise and they need to get the 5 right!”
“The iPhone 4s was a poor upgrade by Apple and unless they do something big for the 5 they will continue to lose sales.
I am stuck with the IPhone 4 until the 5 is out but if not a big update I won't upgrade and will go with a new brand . As the cost won't be justifeld for a smallish upgrade
The Phone market is moving at a swifter pace than apple seem to realise and they need to get the 5 right!”
How is it any different that the upgrade from 3G to 3GS, I infact would say it was a bigger upgrade. It has a much better camera, and twice the processing power and graphics capability.
Apple tend to only do design changes every 2 years on all their products which suits most people as they are locked into 24 month contracts.
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“How is it any different that the upgrade from 3G to 3GS, I infact would say it was a bigger upgrade. It has a much better camera, and twice the processing power and graphics capability.
Apple tend to only do design changes every 2 years on all their products which suits most people as they are locked into 24 month contracts.”
“How is it any different that the upgrade from 3G to 3GS, I infact would say it was a bigger upgrade. It has a much better camera, and twice the processing power and graphics capability.
Apple tend to only do design changes every 2 years on all their products which suits most people as they are locked into 24 month contracts.”
Nobody i know with apple phones have 24 month contracts as its simply too long. Most people go with 18 months.
If you had the Iphone4 then it was not worth the upgrade to the 4S. So not exactly a stellar upgrade.
And the camera was improved but compared to the other phones on the market at the time it was still weak!
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“The iPhone 4s was a poor upgrade by Apple and unless they do something big for the 5 they will continue to lose sales.
I am stuck with the IPhone 4 until the 5 is out but if not a big update I won't upgrade and will go with a new brand . As the cost won't be justifeld for a smallish upgrade
The Phone market is moving at a swifter pace than apple seem to realise and they need to get the 5 right!”
“The iPhone 4s was a poor upgrade by Apple and unless they do something big for the 5 they will continue to lose sales.
I am stuck with the IPhone 4 until the 5 is out but if not a big update I won't upgrade and will go with a new brand . As the cost won't be justifeld for a smallish upgrade
The Phone market is moving at a swifter pace than apple seem to realise and they need to get the 5 right!”
But what is "right"? One person's "right" is often another person's "wrong".
The Android market gets around this with a million different phones with slightly different combinations of price/spec/size/OS version/GUI skin/etc. That's its strength. But it's also its weakness in that it introduces significant fragmentation issues that Apple doesn't have to deal with.
So, in your opinion, apart from a big screen - which whether that's a good thing is very subjective anyway - what else of any real use or practicality, is the iPhone missing?
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“Nobody i know with apple phones have 24 month contracts as its simply too long. Most people go with 18 months.
If you had the Iphone4 then it was not worth the upgrade to the 4S. So not exactly a stellar upgrade.
And the camera was improved but compared to the other phones on the market at the time it was still weak!”
“Nobody i know with apple phones have 24 month contracts as its simply too long. Most people go with 18 months.
If you had the Iphone4 then it was not worth the upgrade to the 4S. So not exactly a stellar upgrade.
And the camera was improved but compared to the other phones on the market at the time it was still weak!”
24 month contracts are common in the US.
And as for the camera, every review I've seen say the iPhone's camera is one of the best on the market. Were they all wrong?
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“For illustration, without dipping into wide aspect ratio or being able to reduce the bezel thickness, going to 4" would increase the width of the phone by 0.26" - an 11% increase.
Going 4.3" would add 0.43" - a 22% increase.”
“For illustration, without dipping into wide aspect ratio or being able to reduce the bezel thickness, going to 4" would increase the width of the phone by 0.26" - an 11% increase.
Going 4.3" would add 0.43" - a 22% increase.”
I doubt 4.3" would be much of a difference in size tbh. After all the Galaxy S2 has this screen size and Apple have been trying to sue Samsung for 'similarities' for ages...
The iPhone isn't great to use if you have large hands tbh, and I doubt a 22% increase is really going to make people that upset.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“I doubt 4.3" would be much of a difference in size tbh. After all the Galaxy S2 has this screen size and Apple have been trying to sue Samsung for 'similarities' for ages...
The iPhone isn't great to use if you have large hands tbh, and I doubt a 22% increase is really going to make people that upset.”
“I doubt 4.3" would be much of a difference in size tbh. After all the Galaxy S2 has this screen size and Apple have been trying to sue Samsung for 'similarities' for ages...
The iPhone isn't great to use if you have large hands tbh, and I doubt a 22% increase is really going to make people that upset.”
Galaxy S2 is 16:9 - iPhone is 3:2.
4.3" 16:9 screen = 3.75 x 2.11.
4.3" 3:2 screen = 3.58 x 2.39.
Therefore, a 4.3" screened iPhone would be 13% wider than a Galaxy S2.
Originally Posted by Dark 1:
“Galaxy S2 is 16:9 - iPhone is 3:2.
4.3" 16:9 screen = 3.75 x 2.11.
4.3" 3:2 screen = 3.58 x 2.39.
Therefore, a 4.3" screened iPhone would be 13% wider than a Galaxy S2.”
“Galaxy S2 is 16:9 - iPhone is 3:2.
4.3" 16:9 screen = 3.75 x 2.11.
4.3" 3:2 screen = 3.58 x 2.39.
Therefore, a 4.3" screened iPhone would be 13% wider than a Galaxy S2.”
As long as Apple could keep the screen close to the edge the increased in width between the 4 and 5 will be minimal
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“As long as Apple could keep the screen close to the edge the increased in width between the 4 and 5 will be minimal”
“As long as Apple could keep the screen close to the edge the increased in width between the 4 and 5 will be minimal”
As said before, is it even technically possible to to shrink the bezel enough? No-one else has yet.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“Nobody i know with apple phones have 24 month contracts as its simply too long. Most people go with 18 months.
If you had the Iphone4 then it was not worth the upgrade to the 4S. So not exactly a stellar upgrade.
And the camera was improved but compared to the other phones on the market at the time it was still weak!”
“Nobody i know with apple phones have 24 month contracts as its simply too long. Most people go with 18 months.
If you had the Iphone4 then it was not worth the upgrade to the 4S. So not exactly a stellar upgrade.
And the camera was improved but compared to the other phones on the market at the time it was still weak!”
Networks heavily push 24 month now due to handset prices being so high, and with OS updates keeping a phone for 24 month isn't as bad nowadays.
Weak? Are you joking? Maybe you should have a look at some good review sites such as Anandtech before spouting that rubbish.
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“Networks heavily push 24 month now due to handset prices being so high, and with OS updates keeping a phone for 24 month isn't as bad nowadays.
Weak? Are you joking? Maybe you should have a look at some good review sites such as Anandtech before spouting that rubbish.”
“Networks heavily push 24 month now due to handset prices being so high, and with OS updates keeping a phone for 24 month isn't as bad nowadays.
Weak? Are you joking? Maybe you should have a look at some good review sites such as Anandtech before spouting that rubbish.”
No i am not joking. The phone was not a decent enough upgrade if you had the Iphone4 fact!!
If you had the 3S then i am sure if was a ok update but it was not a earth shattering phone. Hence it now not being the no1 selling pone any longer as Samsung have over taken.
I think Gormond was referring to you describing the iPhone 4S's camera as weak, given that it is consistently rated one of the best phone cameras available today.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“No i am not joking. The phone was not a decent enough upgrade if you had the Iphone4 fact!!
If you had the 3S then i am sure if was a ok update but it was not a earth shattering phone. Hence it now not being the no1 selling pone any longer as Samsung have over taken.”
“No i am not joking. The phone was not a decent enough upgrade if you had the Iphone4 fact!!
If you had the 3S then i am sure if was a ok update but it was not a earth shattering phone. Hence it now not being the no1 selling pone any longer as Samsung have over taken.”
Opinion, not fact. There is a difference.
Just for a giggle, here are some comparative phone widths of existing or hypothetical iPhones:
Code:
iPhone 4S - 3.54" - 2.31" Nexus One - 3.7" - 2.35" (+1.7%) iPhone 5 - 3.8" - 2.46" (+6.4%) Nexus S - 4" - 2.48" (+7.4%) iPhone 5 - 4" - 2.57" (+11.2%) Galaxy S2 - 4.3" - 2.6" (+12.5%) iPhone 5 - 4.15" - 2.65" (+14.7%) Galaxy Nexus - 4.65" - 2.67" (+15.6%) iPhone 5 - 4.3" - 2.74" (+18.4%) HTC Titan - 4.7" - 2.78" (+20.3%) iPhone 5 - 4.6" - 2.9" (+25.6%) iPhone 5 - 5" - 3.12 (+35.2%) Galaxy Note - 5.3" - 3.27" (+41.6%)
Originally Posted by Matt D:
“Opinion, not fact. There is a difference.”
“Opinion, not fact. There is a difference.”
No fact! - even Apple and o2 have all told me to wait it out for the 5.
The Iphone 4s came out on my birthday so i was tempted but was told that it was not worth the cost of the upgrade by Apple staff in Regents street .
And then in different o2 shops in Jan 2012 when i was finally due a upgrade.
There is no Iphone 5 so why have you posted this rumour OP?
A few days later the reports were rubbished anyway:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1347439
3"5 with LTE. These rumours only suit people with Android who which for bigger screens. Most people with the Iphone like the size it is.
The 4.6" rumour is funny and ridiculous as it it was bigger they would probably go with 3.7" or 4" first.
A few days later the reports were rubbished anyway:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1347439
3"5 with LTE. These rumours only suit people with Android who which for bigger screens. Most people with the Iphone like the size it is.
The 4.6" rumour is funny and ridiculous as it it was bigger they would probably go with 3.7" or 4" first.
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