Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.
Could Alexandra Burke become one of the major icons of our times?
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Originally Posted by JustArun:
“Exactly why she left, at least give her credit where it's due she saw what was best for her and left that abysmal record label.
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“Exactly why she left, at least give her credit where it's due she saw what was best for her and left that abysmal record label.
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what is there to give her credit for?
She's produced one song since she left. Elephant, a forgettable song written by 7 people (7!!) that spent one whole week inside the top ten.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I believe he was being sarcastic.”
“I believe he was being sarcastic.”
Clearly he/she isn't familiar with sarcasm
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.”
“Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.”
It would seem so. :sleep:
Originally Posted by Theshane:
“what is there to give her credit for?
She's produced one song since she left. Elephant, a forgettable song written by 7 people (7!!) that spent one whole week inside the top ten.”
“what is there to give her credit for?
She's produced one song since she left. Elephant, a forgettable song written by 7 people (7!!) that spent one whole week inside the top ten.”
Many good songs have only spent a week inside the top ten. Your point is?
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“JustArun isn't ignorant. Call it whatever, but they don't and haven't influenced what I listened to. They had an impact and had massive achievements, yes. But they mean nothing to me, all the same.”
“JustArun isn't ignorant. Call it whatever, but they don't and haven't influenced what I listened to. They had an impact and had massive achievements, yes. But they mean nothing to me, all the same.”
Of course they are being ignorant.
If they've never heard of someone or something they consider it irrelevant.
What would you call that other than ignorance?
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.”
“Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.”
oh it wasn't a personal insult regarding Alexandra it was regarding the ignorance of a poster.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“I don't consider or recognise the Beatles. They existed and that's all. Delusional if you wish. But like I said. I have an opinion, and I'm using it. I don't care much for the Beatles and never will. End of. My opinion.”
“I don't consider or recognise the Beatles. They existed and that's all. Delusional if you wish. But like I said. I have an opinion, and I'm using it. I don't care much for the Beatles and never will. End of. My opinion.”
I suppose she'll "easily" surpass their achievments too.
And lets not start trying to compare digital sales with physical sales, by your own admission its easier with digital sales to sell more therefore matching someone's physical sales with digital sales isn't matching their achievements.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Many good songs have only spent a week inside the top ten. Your point is?”
“Many good songs have only spent a week inside the top ten. Your point is?”
The poster was saying to give her credit for changing labels but what is there to give her credit for?
One single that hasn't done well.
Especially if she's going to be on course to overtake Britney
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“I suppose she'll "easily" surpass their achievments too.
And lets not start trying to compare digital sales with physical sales, by your own admission its easier with digital sales to sell more therefore matching someone's physical sales with digital sales isn't matching their achievements.”
“I suppose she'll "easily" surpass their achievments too.
And lets not start trying to compare digital sales with physical sales, by your own admission its easier with digital sales to sell more therefore matching someone's physical sales with digital sales isn't matching their achievements.”
No obviously not 1bn records. You got a thread where everyone laughed at her. Well done you. I bet you feel all special and warm inside. Regardless, you make the money and it's a record. Music is more accessible and cheaper than before. A sale is a sale.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.”
“Are people getting that upset about Alexandra Burke that they've resorted to hurling personal insults at her fans?....wow.”
Not like that, one of them is showing seriously ignorant attitudes, wasn't about Alexandra.
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“8 million copies of 21 sold in America alone...somehow I doubt Alexandra will be albe to sell 8 million copies of one album worldwide!”
“8 million copies of 21 sold in America alone...somehow I doubt Alexandra will be albe to sell 8 million copies of one album worldwide!”
I doubt she will sell 8 Million albums in her entire career let alone 8 Million copies of a single album.
Originally Posted by mm83:
“I doubt she will sell 8 Million albums in her entire career let alone 8 Million copies of a single album.”
“I doubt she will sell 8 Million albums in her entire career let alone 8 Million copies of a single album.”
Really, well she's sold 1m already so....
7m to go I guess...
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“No obviously not 1bn records. You got a thread where everyone laughed at her. Well done you. I bet you feel all special and warm inside. Regardless, you make the money and it's a record. Music is more accessible and cheaper than before. A sale is a sale.”
“No obviously not 1bn records. You got a thread where everyone laughed at her. Well done you. I bet you feel all special and warm inside. Regardless, you make the money and it's a record. Music is more accessible and cheaper than before. A sale is a sale.”
But its not, you said yourself it is easier now than it was, and if everyone is selling millions upon millions then Alexandra's own records will look average at best. She will have to stand above her peers and completely leave them in the dust with her sales much like Britney had to do.
You cannot compare sales of an artist who started alomst ten years before another artist started. It doesn't work like that.
People remember that back in the period of 1999-2004 there was no popstar bigger than Britney, Alexandra will have to become bigger than all her peers of her day to be able to say she's up there with the likes of Britney/Beyoncé. To do that she will have to overtake GaGa, Katy, Rihanna, Adele the artists that are dominating today.
I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already. It's not very constructive and appears to have been set up purely to ridicule Alexandra and her fans...very mature OP. :sleep:
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already. It's not very constructive and appears to have been set up purely to ridicule Alexandra and her fans...very mature OP. :sleep:”
“I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already. It's not very constructive and appears to have been set up purely to ridicule Alexandra and her fans...very mature OP. :sleep:”
Not really, its still very much on topic.
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“Not really, its still very much on topic.”
“Not really, its still very much on topic.”
Really because I only see it being used as a slanging match so that you and others can big up Britney Spears at the expensive of Alexandra which was a ridiculous comparison to begin with.
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“But its not, you said yourself it is easier now than it was, and if everyone is selling millions upon millions then Alexandra's own records will look average at best. She will have to stand above her peers and completely leave them in the dust with her sales much like Britney had to do.
You cannot compare sales of an artist who started alomst ten years before another artist started. It doesn't work like that.
People remember that back in the period of 1999-2004 there was no popstar bigger than Britney, Alexandra will have to become bigger than all her peers of her day to be able to say she's up there with the likes of Britney/Beyoncé. To do that she will have to overtake GaGa, Katy, Rihanna, Adele the artists that are dominating today.”
“But its not, you said yourself it is easier now than it was, and if everyone is selling millions upon millions then Alexandra's own records will look average at best. She will have to stand above her peers and completely leave them in the dust with her sales much like Britney had to do.
You cannot compare sales of an artist who started alomst ten years before another artist started. It doesn't work like that.
People remember that back in the period of 1999-2004 there was no popstar bigger than Britney, Alexandra will have to become bigger than all her peers of her day to be able to say she's up there with the likes of Britney/Beyoncé. To do that she will have to overtake GaGa, Katy, Rihanna, Adele the artists that are dominating today.”
No, she won't. All she needs is promo and good material. Nothing more. She stands out as she performs very well and does choreography, which only Gaga and Bey do now. Yes, there was no bigger popstar than her at the time. With promo she can be an international star. Jessie J did well with an average debut and sold 11m records. So with decent/very good material, it is more than possible to sell a significant amount of records. Globally, everyone does sell millions.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already. It's not very constructive and appears to have been set up purely to ridicule Alexandra and her fans...very mature OP. :sleep:”
“I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed already. It's not very constructive and appears to have been set up purely to ridicule Alexandra and her fans...very mature OP. :sleep:”
Apart from the obviously ignorant poster I think it's an ok discussion.
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“Really because I only see it being used as a slanging match so that you and others can big up Britney Spears at the expensive of Alexandra which was a ridiculous comparison to begin with.”
“Really because I only see it being used as a slanging match so that you and others can big up Britney Spears at the expensive of Alexandra which was a ridiculous comparison to begin with.”
A comparison that was made by an Alexandra Burke fan when they said she would "easily" overtake Britney's accomplishments.
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“A comparison that was made by an Alexandra Burke fan when they said she would "easily" overtake Britney's accomplishments.”
“A comparison that was made by an Alexandra Burke fan when they said she would "easily" overtake Britney's accomplishments.”
Yes, of 100m record by the time her career is over. Which is possible.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“No, she won't. All she needs is promo and good material. Nothing more. She stands out as she performs very well and does choreography, which only Gaga and Bey do now. Yes, there was no bigger popstar than her at the time. With promo she can be an international star. Jessie J did well with an average debut and sold 11m records. So with decent/very good material, it is more than possible to sell a significant amount of records. Globally, everyone does sell millions.”
“No, she won't. All she needs is promo and good material. Nothing more. She stands out as she performs very well and does choreography, which only Gaga and Bey do now. Yes, there was no bigger popstar than her at the time. With promo she can be an international star. Jessie J did well with an average debut and sold 11m records. So with decent/very good material, it is more than possible to sell a significant amount of records. Globally, everyone does sell millions.”
As I said you can't compare sales for sales, Britney started in a completely differernt era, you yourself admitted that its easier to sell records now than it was then, so by that omission even if she was able to match Britney's sales it wouldn't be a match of their accomplishments because Britney had to do more to get to her level of sales, as it was harder for her.
For any modern artist to be able to say they've matched the success of Britney, they have to become the highest seller of their generation and be widely considered the top popstar of their generation.
As I said before Alexandra has a long way to go before she can be talked about in the same league as Britney, Beyoncé, heck even Gaga, they are considered icons because they rose above the other artists of their times. And none of them would have done it "easily"!
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“As I said you can't compare sales for sales, Britney started in a completely differernt era, you yourself admitted that its easier to sell records now than it was then, so by that omission even if she was able to match Britney's sales it wouldn't be a match of their accomplishments because Britney had to do more to get to her level of sales, as it was harder for her.
For any modern artist to be able to say they've matched the success of Britney, they have to become the highest seller of their generation and be widely considered the top popstar of their generation.
As I said before Alexandra has a long way to go before she can be talked about in the same league as Britney, Beyoncé, heck even Gaga, they are considered icons because they rose above the other artists of their times. And none of them would have done it "easily"!”
“As I said you can't compare sales for sales, Britney started in a completely differernt era, you yourself admitted that its easier to sell records now than it was then, so by that omission even if she was able to match Britney's sales it wouldn't be a match of their accomplishments because Britney had to do more to get to her level of sales, as it was harder for her.
For any modern artist to be able to say they've matched the success of Britney, they have to become the highest seller of their generation and be widely considered the top popstar of their generation.
As I said before Alexandra has a long way to go before she can be talked about in the same league as Britney, Beyoncé, heck even Gaga, they are considered icons because they rose above the other artists of their times. And none of them would have done it "easily"!”
Britney didn't have to work hard at all. The image they created for her did the work. You could have put any pretty blonde girl in her position and they would have sold the same. But you can and must compare sales for sales. The industry structure has simply changed due to public changes. Albums rarely sell more than 10m WW now.
Originally Posted by iseloid:
“Yes, of 100m record by the time her career is over. Which is possible.”
“Yes, of 100m record by the time her career is over. Which is possible.”
1. Read my post above, i can't be bothered to repeat myself over and over again, but you can't compare the sales of the two because of different sales climates.
2. I have been assured that if you combine Britney's album sales with single sales she is well over the 100 million make and closer to 150 and that's mainly physical sales, which by your own admission is harder to achieve that digital, therefore more of an accomplishment.
Originally Posted by StateOfDreaming:
“1. Read my post above, i can't be bothered to repeat myself over and over again, but you can't compare the sales of the two because of different sales climates.
2. I have been assured that if you combine Britney's album sales with single sales she is well over the 100 million make and closer to 150 and that's mainly physical sales, which by your own admission is harder to achieve that digital, therefore more of an accomplishment.”
“1. Read my post above, i can't be bothered to repeat myself over and over again, but you can't compare the sales of the two because of different sales climates.
2. I have been assured that if you combine Britney's album sales with single sales she is well over the 100 million make and closer to 150 and that's mainly physical sales, which by your own admission is harder to achieve that digital, therefore more of an accomplishment.”
Even still, regardless of the era. It's still an achievement of sales. That would mean that the performers now reaching those sales, their achievements aren't the same?
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