[Malbren]

Originally Posted by Glinny

Did she actually skate on her own in her Fame routine? No she was lifted, thrown and held by Matt all of the time. Even Robin and Katarina said she did not skate alone.

She skated plenty on her own in the other though. In fact I think Matt had hold of Nina's hand more than Jorgie did Matts.

[Glinny]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

Again... she was told to do these things in order to make her look like she was 'being carried', which was your inital post. Katarina and Robin KNEW what her routine was all about and knew it involved lots of lifts.. again.. giving them an excuse to undermark her routine.

She relied too much on Matt. How can she be made to look like she was being carried she was either carried or not carried. You cannot make out you are being carried.

[gemsmummy]

Originally Posted by Cassy990

Your opinion, mine is different.



Yet Matthew visibly struggling to get Nina airbourne in one of their lifts was well brushed over by Robin.

Yet Jorgies lift was no better and she had an experienced skater lifting her and she was lighter than Matt's partner.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by Glinny

She relied too much on Matt. How can she be made to look like she was being carried she was either carried or not carried. You cannot make out you are being carried.

I don't think you understand my post at all and what I'm trying to get at. So I won't bother.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by Cassy990

On the whole I enjoyed her performances a lot more, I knew she didn't have a chance though, especially after Katarina's rather strange 'dont be disappointed' or words to that effect.

I enjoyed Jorgie's performances more too.

That was all a fix on the show's part to make it so that you shouldn't vote for Jorgie. The judges knew who was going to win anyway.

[Cassy990]

Originally Posted by gemsmummy

Yet Jorgies lift was no better and she had an experienced skater lifting her and she was lighter than Matt's partner.

I think I must have blinked and missed this massive mistake in Jorgie's lift which everyone keeps mentioning. I'll try youtubing it later.
Jorgie's routine could have been skated to olympic standard and it seems many on here would've found fault anyway.

[Cassy990]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

I enjoyed Jorgie's performances more too.

That was all a fix on the show's part to make it so that you shouldn't vote for Jorgie. The judges knew who was going to win anyway.

Well ITV have to remain loyal to their own employees.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by Cassy990

Well ITV have to remain loyal to their own employees.

Exactly . The show decided on their winner way before the semi-finals/finals came along

[norbitonite]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

Again... she was told to do these things in order to make her look like she was 'being carried', which was your inital post. Katarina and Robin KNEW what her routine was all about and knew it involved lots of lifts.. again.. giving them an excuse to undermark her routine.

But her routine wasn't undermarked, it was marked very generously - a 10 and two 9.5s iirc. In fact, given the amount of dancing off the ice and dancing on the spot it was arguably overmaked.

Not that it matters, since the judges' marks didn't count tonight.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by norbitonite

But her routine wasn't undermarked, it was marked very generously - a 10 and two 9.5s iirc. In fact, given the amount of dancing off the ice and dancing on the spot it was arguably overmaked.

Not that it matters, since the judges' marks didn't count tonight.

That's all there to just make it look like the Judges are not 'favoriting' certain celebs, they know who the winner is right before all of the routines started. I personally didn't like any of the showcases, totally and utterly boring, all three of them.

[tawny]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

Yeah.... like almost every female celeb thats been on the show?

Seriously I'm getting sick of all this 'men have it harder.. omg these lifts they have to do.. oh dear... booo hooo'

This whole thing is getting tiresome beyond belief. The reason she was getting.. as you say... 'carried on ice' is because the show fixed it so that she was, so that our beloved Matthew wins. How lovely.

Oh my goodness - sour grapes

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by tawny

Oh my goodness - sour grapes

I wouldn't say 'sour grapes' more like stating facts

[TraceyUK]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

That's all there to just make it look like the Judges are not 'favoriting' certain celebs, they know who the winner is right before all of the routines started. I personally didn't like any of the showcases, totally and utterly boring, all three of them.

If it was that boring why didnt you switch off??

[petertard]

She and Matt did fluff the final lift. She might have won if that had gone okay. Chico was out because he totally missed the lift. Hers was an aborted half-lift, but enough to be considered an error. She is very fluid for those brief few seconds when she is allowed to skate on her own.

[norbitonite]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

That's all there to just make it look like the Judges are not 'favoriting' certain celebs, they know who the winner is right before all of the routines started. I personally didn't like any of the showcases, totally and utterly boring, all three of them.

But the judges' marks didn't count, only the public vote, so even if you think the judges were favouring someone because they thought that somebody was better than your favourite, it was the public that decided the winner. Are you seriously suggesting that everyone who voted for Matthew (and Chico, presumably) was somehow manipulated by ITV? Did they get Derren Brown in to send out subliminal messages or something?

Matthew won fair and square.

[ladygardener]

Originally Posted by Glinny

No she was not robbed. The show was called Dancing on Ice not Being Carried On Ice.

Well said, and the best person won.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by petertard

She and Matt did fluff the final lift. She might have won if that had gone okay. Chico was out because he totally missed the lift. Hers was an aborted half-lift, but enough to be considered an error. She is very fluid for those brief few seconds when she is allowed to skate on her own.

HIGHLY doubt she would of won if there was errors in her perfomances or not.

[petertard]

Some errors are more apparent than others. A flawless Bolero from Jorgie, with comments from the judges acknowledging it as perfect, could be enough for a victory. Last year Sam won because basically Colin and Laura's Bolero was substandard.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by norbitonite

But the judges' marks didn't count, only the public vote, so even if you think the judges were favouring someone because they thought that somebody was better than your favourite, it was the public that decided the winner. Are you seriously suggesting that everyone who voted for Matthew (and Chico, presumably) was somehow manipulated by ITV? Did they get Derren Brown in to send out subliminal messages or something?

Matthew won fair and square.

No I don't think that at all. DOI wanted Matthew to win. People could of voted for Jorgie millions/billions/trillions of times, she would still lose no matter how many people vote for her.

[r3dvelvet]

Originally Posted by petertard

Some errors are more apparent than others. A flawless Bolero from Jorgie, with comments from the judges acknowledging it as perfect, could be enough for a victory. Last year Sam won because basically Colin and Laura's Bolero was substandard.

All of what happened last year happened tonight. Laura was not allowed to show her full potentional and neither was Jorgie.

[norbitonite]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

No I don't think that at all. DOI wanted Matthew to win. People could of voted for Jorgie millions/billions/trillions of times, she would still lose no matter how many people vote for her.

Ah, so you're actually saying the vote was rigged? That's a serious accusation and you should contact Ofcom immediately if you have reason to believe this is the case.

[Tiger Rose]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

No I don't think that at all. DOI wanted Matthew to win. People could of voted for Jorgie millions/billions/trillions of times, she would still lose no matter how many people vote for her.

So now you're saying ITV have fixed the votes.

[Tiger Rose]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

All of what happened last year happened tonight. Laura was not allowed to show her full potentional and neither was Jorgie.

Actually one thing I would say about Laura is that she was certainly allowed to show her full potential skating wise - she has certainly shown herself to be a much better skater than Jorgie. Her bolero wasn't as good as Sam's sadly but that was due to Colin's inexperience & also he was clearly overawed by having to choreograph it & this fear was transferred to Laura IMO.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by r3dvelvet

No I don't think that at all. DOI wanted Matthew to win. People could of voted for Jorgie millions/billions/trillions of times, she would still lose no matter how many people vote for her.

so when the percentage voting figures are released they'll have been all made up then?

I can understand the show being able to manipulate viewers but because of past phone rigging scams I think that it's highly unlikely the actual vote numbers are rigged.

[r3dvelvet]

Haha I love how defensive Matthew's supporters get when I make my own personal opinions . Love it!