[lil lexie]

we have a strange shadow-like figure that flits from room to room, well I say room to room but it's only been seen in the kitchen, the hall and the loo so far.

I've seen it a couple of times, though it's always been in a bit of a hurry and appeared as nothing more than a blur, though my mother did get a proper look at it a few months back and she said it was a definite silhouette of a figure about 5ft tall that it ambled around the kitchen for about a minute before disappearing into the shadows. Came home to find her a bit of a nervous wreck, it really spooked her.

We also have things flying around the house, things thrown at you or things grabbing at you - it's a bit like passing a magnet over iron filings, you walk past a desk for instance and the things on the desk just fly off at you. I think were pretty much used to this sort of thing now though, it's become more a thing of tedium rather than wonder, yep, 9 times out of 10, your cup of tea will end up on the floor if you don't keep an eye on it we're always requesting it to do something a bit more creative, like giving us the winning lottery numbers.

like I've said before, I don't really buy into that whole dead people coming back from the grave kinda thing but what ever it is, it's really f##king weird and annoying.

[DoctorQui]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Lazarus

'Vitas' is Latin for life, isn't it-so, is the whole phrase, 'Gerra life!' in Latin?

Or it could be the tennis player!

[Tominxster]

I've seen ghosts all my life. As did my mum and gran before her. My 3 kids aged 19,18,16 have too.
I used to tell them when they were younger that it was the mind playing tricks just as my mum used to tell me.
They all got to the point where they adamantly told me that they saw something for real.
I've seen ghosts full on and out the corner of my eye (which I admit could be the mind playing tricks).
I've lived in houses with ley lines and my house now is one of those.
The worst 'haunting' we have had was in Spain.
I bought a house in a complex that to be honest I wasn't that keen on but needed something quick that was by my kids school as the house I was in had subsidence. Things started to get moved around A lot.Not just little things but big things too. Kept seeing things all the time. Bump in the night noises were constant. The house next door sounded like there was a permanent party going on at night although it was empty. My mum and gran had always taught me that the dead can't hurt you only the living and I have lived by that. This house however was really starting to grate and the kids were getting really upset to the point where they all moved into my room.
At this point a Spanish friend of mine said that her mum(who worked in the government) could arrange someone to come around and have a look.
3 days later my friend brought around these 3 guys from the government with different equipment. They 'examined' the whole house. Whilst they were there a shadow came from the corner of my bedroom out into the room. I'm still in contact with my friend and this still scares her.This house scared me although nothing had scared me before.
They concluded that not only did I have 1 ley line but a 'junction' right in the middle of my house. They said that this wasn't good for the health and we should move. This wasn't an option at this time. They put tape n the marble floors in 2 of the bedroom that was 1/4 meter from the wall all around. They instructed that if everything in the room was kept inside of this area the 'activity' would decrease. I don't know why but we did this and everything went quiet. The kids moved back into their rooms and slept better. We still had minor things but nothing serious.
A months later when we took the tape up it all started again really bad. I then had an accident and came down the stairs and ended up with a head injury. From this point for 5 years I had up to 8 seizures a day. 2 months after the accident we moved back to England. My head has healed now.
The house Im in now has its stuff but nothing awful. The guys did say that once you live in a house with a ley line you tend to choose to live in other places with them. Whether this is true I don't know. All I do know is that Ive had it all my life. That house is the only place where I have actually felt scared.
There was something else that happened in the house in Spain but only once. I have never experienced it anytime before or since. Where they said the junction of ley lines was one night as I passed through it it was like I was back in time on a battle field. I could smell, hear and taste everything. 3-4 seconds. It was a time of Armour. I know that it sounds mad and most will think Im off my rocker but its all true.

[Jaycee Dove]

Interesting thread and I agree with quite a few points from both sides of the debate.

I have never seen a ghost, but have had a waking dream in which I saw my boyfriend come home and talk to me. I only know that he did not because when I woke up, he was not there and later confirmed he had never returned.

So this was a vivid sleep/wake border image that persuaded me it was real because it occurred in the same location where I last was when awake and where I next was when I woke up....so not like a normal dream where I would be somewhere else.

Though I know this was an hallucination I would not have known for sure - ever - if I had, for instance, seen my dead grannie that morning. I suspect right now that I would think I had seen her apparition.

Context and disconfirmation allowed me the opportunity to identify what was otherwise a totally convincing 'ghost'. An opportunity not afforded - I suspect - to some others who thereby, quite understandably, are convinced they DID see a ghost.

I should add that I am not saying I think there are no interesting or valid ghost encounters. I have come across some that are very difficult to explain away.

The most intriguing involved a young child who was seen talking to 'nobody' on the stairs one night. Thinking it was just imagination the parents forgot about it. But then they were stunned when looking through some old family photos (because a family member had just been reported to have died - in fact on the night of the above incident) the child passed by, saw one of the photos of the dead person and immediately identified it as 'the man on the stairs' they had talked to on the earlier night. It was their grandfather, but due to a family estrangement someone that the child had had no contact with since they were a baby.

If you accept that these people were all telling the truth it is hard to imagine an easy rational explanation to this chain of events.

[Nard Dog]

Jesus, there is no debate people. Move it on..

[Jaycee Dove]

Originally Posted by Nard Dog

Jesus, there is no debate people. Move it on..

Eh???

[Stegan]

The existence of ghosts or not is a fascinating subject. I haven't really had an experience worth mentioning but I know those who have.

On Sky's Bio Channel there is currently a great series called My Ghost Story, in which there has been some truly breathtaking footage of apparently real paranormal types of activity captured on camera. One was of a shadow figure appearing in a doorway which was particularly scary and very convincing. Another was where a demonic like figure appears to jump up at the side of someone's bed - very difficult for a sceptic to disprove when you see the actual footage.

[Nard Dog]

Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove

Eh???

Its not a debate, just as there is no Mermaid, Unicorn or Rupert the Bear debate.

[21stCenturyBoy]

Originally Posted by Nard Dog

Its not a debate, just as there is no Mermaid, Unicorn or Rupert the Bear debate.

I've seen you take this kind of attitude in several threads now.

What gives you the authority to decide what people can or cannot talk about.

You clearly have nothing worthwhile to the debate, so please don't derail it for others.

[Nard Dog]

Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy

I've seen you take this kind of attitude in several threads now.

What gives you the authority to decide what people can or cannot talk about.

You clearly have nothing worthwhile to the debate, so please don't derail it for others.

There is no debate I am afraid and getting on your high horse will not magic one up either..

[21stCenturyBoy]

Originally Posted by Nard Dog

There is no debate I am afraid and getting on your high horse will not magic one up either..

What do you understand of the word "subjective?"

[Nard Dog]

Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy

What do you understand of the word "subjective?"

Sorry, there is no debate.

[21stCenturyBoy]

Originally Posted by Nard Dog

Sorry, there is no debate.

Well, you're on your own with that I'm afraid.

You do understand what subjective means, don't you?

Curious that you should join a debate and proceed to tell us there is no debate.

[Nard Dog]

Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy

Well, you're on your own with that I'm afraid.

You do understand what subjective means, don't you?

Curious that you should join a debate and proceed to tell us there is no debate.

Its not a debate just some people telling stories about things

[Jaycee Dove]

The irony is, Nard, that all the actual debate is coming from others and all the proclamations from you.

Debate = reasoned arguments...not statements of certainty without support.

There has clearly been reasoned discussion in here but so far no sign of any from you.

Likening this to people seeing Rupert the Bear might make sense if thousands of people were claiming to see that.

But as they are not, then, of course, there is no thread debating it...but there is for something many people genuinely think they have experienced.

[TheMunch]

Originally Posted by India_Rain

I see Shadow People a lot (google and there's loads about them). I used to think it was just because I'm going nuts but my 20 year old daughter has started to see them too. She'll see a few out of the corner of her eye, whereas they sometimes swarm round me. I ignore them and don't acknowledge them.

I don't think they're ghosts though...more demonic. They seem to be about more when bad things are happening, or there's a lot of stress going on with me. It's like they feed off the negativity. So I'm going to keep smiling.

Funny you should say that...I tend to see a black figure sometimes, which I usually shrug off. Then after seeing it, my dad will usually end up drinking vodka. He's an alcoholic and he's often drinking vodka (when he shouldn't) and lies about it. When I see the black figure he tends to do it.

I don't know if they're "shadow people" or demons or whatever...I don't know what it is.

I've never been a complete believer but I've always believed in the possibility. I also always feel like something's there...but until I see an actual figure, right in front of me, I can't ever be sure. I also never trust any "evidence" or stories from other people.

Something has to happen before you can believe in it I think.

[DoctorQui]

Originally Posted by Nard Dog

... getting on your high horse ..

Pot, kettle

The only high horse getting I can see is from you Narg, in this and many other threads!

Why do you even bother clicking!

[Honestweegie]

Originally Posted by Nard Dog

Jesus, there is no debate people. Move it on..

Would you mock peoples religious beliefs in the same way you mock peoples spiritual beliefs

[DoctorQui]

Originally Posted by Honestweegie

Would you mock peoples religious beliefs in the same way you mock peoples spiritual beliefs

Check post history...yes he would!

[India_Rain]

Originally Posted by TheMunch

Funny you should say that...I tend to see a black figure sometimes, which I usually shrug off. Then after seeing it, my dad will usually end up drinking vodka. He's an alcoholic and he's often drinking vodka (when he shouldn't) and lies about it. When I see the black figure he tends to do it.

I don't know if they're "shadow people" or demons or whatever...I don't know what it is.

I've never been a complete believer but I've always believed in the possibility. I also always feel like something's there...but until I see an actual figure, right in front of me, I can't ever be sure. I also never trust any "evidence" or stories from other people.

Something has to happen before you can believe in it I think.

Very true. Don't get stressed about it though. I used to, but now just send out love and positivity as much as I can.

[peacelily]

No...

[be more pacific]

Originally Posted by Stegan

The existence of ghosts or not is a fascinating subject. I haven't really had an experience worth mentioning but I know those who have.

On Sky's Bio Channel there is currently a great series called My Ghost Story, in which there has been some truly breathtaking footage of apparently real paranormal types of activity captured on camera. One was of a shadow figure appearing in a doorway which was particularly scary and very convincing. Another was where a demonic like figure appears to jump up at the side of someone's bed - very difficult for a sceptic to disprove when you see the actual footage.

Unless the video was recorded under stringent conditions which eliminate all opportunity to cheat, trickery remains the most likely explanation. Sceptics do not need to disprove anything while the sum total of credible, verifiable proof remains stuck at zero.

[zx50]

I've not seen a ghost but I've heard one before.

[MrQuike]

Originally Posted by zx50

I've not seen a ghost but I've heard one before.

Same here. I'm a reasonably sensible chap with no known mental health problems but sometimes, as they say, stuff happens.When there's confirmation with other people you have to accept there's something peciliar going on.

[Doll Feet]

Originally Posted by TheMunch

I don't know if they're "shadow people" or demons or whatever...I don't know what it is.

Whatever they're labelled they do seem to be a distinct species who're completely aware of the existence of humans.