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Baby One More Time VS Christina Aguilera
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Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Taking inspiration from another thread where Their Debut singles are currently up for debate i have decided to find out opinons on their debut albums.

For me BOMT wins outright it may have aged but its fun bubblegum pop with great singles and video's and was responsible for the teen pop revival in the late 90's early 00's and allowed for Xtina etc to follow.

Xtina her debut dull bland uninspired urban pop for the masses great vocal but just a bit meh and is largely forgotten she came alive around Stripped and it really didnt do much in the way for pop music like BOMT.

So thoughts
gpk
28-03-2012
britney`s single was great, but the album was not a perfect pop record, a bit meh as you would say and i cant stand that expression. there were some dull tracks and the album performed exceptionally well on the strength of the single. `(you drive me) crazy` was another great pop track, but the other singles were terrible.

christina didn't have the killer first single by comparison and the album wasn't great either. however, those four singles were consistent in terms of quality, they were all roughly as good as each other. `stripped` was an exceptional album though, a real artistic departure.

i think that boy bands such as `n`sync` and the `backstreet boys`, along with the `spice girls` did more for the pop music resurgence though. they all set the groundwork for britney and christina to come along and succeed.
DEADLY_17
28-03-2012
Well BOMT is a Classic to this day, and it had more of an impact i think including the video i fell in love with her when i was 8 when she debut
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“britney`s single was great, but the album was not a perfect pop record, a bit meh as you would say and i cant stand that expression. there were some dull tracks and the album performed exceptionally well on the strength of the single. `(you drive me) crazy` was another great pop track, but the other singles were terrible.

christina didn't have the killer first single by comparison and the album wasn't great either. however, those four singles were consistent in terms of quality, they were all roughly as good as each other. `stripped` was an exceptional album though, a real artistic departure.

i think that boy bands such as `n`sync` and the `backstreet boys`, along with the `spice girls` did more for the pop music resurgence though. they all set the groundwork for britney and christina to come along and succeed.”

I agree neither were perfect and bother were superseded by their sophmore efforts but in terms of singles BOMT, Sometimes, YDMC, and BTMYH were far better and much more consistent.

And yes but the point is they were bands and at the times Boybands were what record companies wanted even the Spice Girls were not considered viable and fought to bring back girl bands as Britney did with female singes as she was told nobody wants another Debbie Gibson if she hadn't done it then there would be no one who had followed her like Amy did for Adele and Duffy etc
gpk
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“I agree neither were perfect and bother were superseded by their sophmore efforts but in terms of singles BOMT, Sometimes, YDMC, and BTMYH were far better and much more consistent.

And yes but the point is they were bands and at the times Boybands were what record companies wanted even the Spice Girls were not considered viable and fought to bring back girl bands as Britney did with female singes as she was told nobody wants another Debbie Gibson if she hadn't done it then there would be no one who had followed her like Amy did for Adele and Duffy etc”

`sometimes` was not a good single in my opinion and btmyh was pretty ropey too. the boy bands made britney`s material more on fashion, since their had been working with the same team for some time and the spice girls with their girl power also made it easier for a female pop artist to emerge.
toanythingtaboo
28-03-2012
Prefer Christina's debut album as a whole, and always have.

Genie In A Bottle
What A Girl Wants
I Turn To You
Come On Over
Reflection

= Pop gold.

The rest is very solid too, IMO. Bit samey, but good.

I just didn't listen to BOMT as much back in the day. I'd only really play BOMT, Sometimes, BTMYH and Crazy.
umr3000
28-03-2012
To be fair I think both albums at the time were good efforts, however Britney's Baby One More Time will always have the edge because it launched her a superstar, and the singles were all successful.
gpk
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by umr3000:
“To be fair I think both albums at the time were good efforts, however Britney's Baby One More Time will always have the edge because it launched her a superstar, and the singles were all successful.”

what about christina? she is a huge star too and she had three #1 hits in the us off the début.
ilovezenyatta
28-03-2012
I like britney spears' baby one more time more because it was more catchier!!
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by gpk:
“what about christina? she is a huge star too and she had three #1 hits in the us off the début.”

Yes but Christina Aguilera only had the massive success in the US with her debut it only mad #14 here and sold 100,000+ copies at the time whereas BOTM sold 26,000,000+ WW.

Also singles wise all of Britneys sold over 200,000+ and got top 5 Xtina didn't hit her stride until stripped.

Overall BOMT is a classic pop album and is iconic Xtina is largely forgotten except for singes
little-monster
28-03-2012
Christina Aguilera's debut is quite dull. The 4 singles are amazing but it's very forgettable. Britney's debut is amazing. It mainains a flow and every track could of been a hit. Christina, i felt she didn't know where she was going with her debut. But her decline in her debut made up in the amazingness known as Stripped.
O.Michel
28-03-2012
In temrs of impact : BOMT >>>>>> Christina's debut
In terms of quality : Christina Aguilera >>>>>>>>> BOMT

(It's great that after all those years of fake rivalries, we can now actually discuss their respective careers without pitting them against one another or discrediting one of the two )
toanythingtaboo
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Yes but Christina Aguilera only had the massive success in the US with her debut it only mad #14 here and sold 100,000+ copies at the time whereas BOTM sold 26,000,000+ WW.

Also singles wise all of Britneys sold over 200,000+ and got top 5 Xtina didn't hit her stride until stripped.

Overall BOMT is a classic pop album and is iconic Xtina is largely forgotten except for singes”

Being quite selective with the information there.

BOMT sold 14 million out of 26 million in the US, CA sold 9 million out of 17 million in the US. About half of both albums sales came from outwith America. So no, Christina didn't "only" have massive success in the US.

If we're talking their UK singles peak, Christina: GIAB (#1), WAGO (#3), ITTY (#19), COOB (#8). Britney: BOMT (#1), Sometimes (#3), Crazy (#5), BTMYH (#1), FTBOMBH (#174).

We all know Britney was bigger, but Christina was very successful in her own right and that shouldn't be dismissed.

I disagree that BOMT is a classic pop album, it's the single(s) that is classic.
O.Michel
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Yes but Christina Aguilera only had the massive success in the US with her debut it only mad #14 here and sold 100,000+ copies at the time whereas BOTM sold 26,000,000+ WW.

Also singles wise all of Britneys sold over 200,000+ and got top 5 Xtina didn't hit her stride until stripped.”

I agree with toanythingtaboo, they both had international success. Britney was slightly more successful in most territories, but Christina was also massive.

As far as the singles go, if you're referring to the UK charts (which I think is the case ), you're right, Britney sold more, but by no means was Christina an insignificant singles seller in the UK. She had 3 top 10 singles and that's enough success. When it comes to the US, however, Christina totally SLAYED the singles chart. Her chart run was along the lines of Katy Perry actually!!! She had 3 No.1's which stayed in the chart for a long time and her only non-chart topping release was 'I Turn To You' which got to No.3, even though it wasn't commercial at all. IIRC, Christina is the 2nd biggest singles seller in the US from 2000 to 2009, second only to Madonna, so she was obviously very successful
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by O.Michel:
“I agree with toanythingtaboo, they both had international success. Britney was slightly more successful in most territories, but Christina was also massive.

As far as the singles go, if you're referring to the UK charts (which I think is the case ), you're right, Britney sold more, but by no means was Christina an insignificant singles seller in the UK. She had 3 top 10 singles and that's enough success. When it comes to the US, however, Christina totally SLAYED the singles chart. Her chart run was along the lines of Katy Perry actually!!! She had 3 No.1's which stayed in the chart for a long time and her only non-chart topping release was 'I Turn To You' which got to No.3, even though it wasn't commercial at all. IIRC, Christina is the 2nd biggest singles seller in the US from 2000 to 2009, second only to Madonna, so she was obviously very successful ”

The point im making is even Xtina's singles were not massive sellers top ten or not GIB sold a fraction of BOMT and it went platinum Britney was bigger everywhere Xtina had modest success in most markets she would have been largely forgotten had it not been for Stripped which entered at number 19 and slowly rose with the singles Britney has always just been big thanks in no part to her debut

Christina had huge US suceess to begin with and modest success elsewhere

Britney Was huge everywhere from the off
toanythingtaboo
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“The point im making is even Xtina's singles were not massive sellers top ten or not GIB sold a fraction of BOMT and it went platinum Britney was bigger everywhere Xtina had modest success in most markets she would have been largely forgotten had it not been for Stripped which entered at number 19 and slowly rose with the singles Britney has always just been big thanks in no part to her debut

Christina had huge US suceess to begin with and modest success elsewhere

Britney Was huge everywhere from the off”

Neither I nor O.Michel were arguing who was bigger. We all know the answer to that. Our point was that you can't downplay Christina's success because she was also huge. It was far from a "modest success".

I fail to see your point regarding Stripped? If most artists didn't release a follow up album to their debut they'd be largely forgotten in future, no matter how big they were. Britney included.
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“Neither I nor O.Michel were arguing who was bigger. We all know the answer to that. Our point was that you can't downplay Christina's success because she was also huge. It was far from a "modest success".”

I know that and i know both were major successes just that in the beginning people have a tendency to forget Xtina really was not that big here and think that she had the same level of success which she didn't which in part is down to her debut album and single choices she just didn't have all that great material which in essence probably wouldnt have been remembered had it not been for stripped where as BOMT set the foundation for her entire careere and is thus iconic and remembered as part of pop history

For me Christina had neither the material or impact to be considered that great even if BOMT is not all that brilliant either
toanythingtaboo
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“I know that and i know both were major successes just that in the beginning people have a tendency to forget Xtina really was not that big here and think that she had the same level of success which she didn't which in part is down to her debut album and single choices she just didn't have all that great material which in essence probably wouldnt have been remembered had it not been for stripped where as BOMT set the foundation for her entire careere and is thus iconic and remembered as part of pop history”

This is just your opinion masquerading as fact though, isn't it?
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“This is just your opinion masquerading as fact though, isn't it?”

Well no Christina was not that big here in the beginning that is fact its not just chart statistics but impact she made a ripple
toanythingtaboo
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Well no Christina was not that big here in the beginning that is fact its not just chart statistics but impact she made a ripple”

I disagree. She was everywhere and the Britney rivalry had major exposure. I remember everyone talking about it.

She didn't have the scandal of the BOMT video to make her debut a phenomenon, but like we've covered - nobody here is claiming Christina was as big as Britney.
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“I disagree. She was everywhere and the Britney rivalry had major exposure. I remember everyone talking about it.

She didn't have the scandal of the BOMT video to make her debut a phenomenon, but like we've covered - nobody here is claiming Christina was as big as Britney.”

yeah i get that but she still was nowhere near that level and i have always thought it was in part to her debut and the choice of i turn to you ruined her momentum

andagain i know that but my original point was in reference to the question that xtina's debut hadn't the impact and was largely more successful stateside hence why i think BOMT is better
Whoopie Doo
28-03-2012
Christina was a bigger artist in America during her first year while Britney was bigger on a global scale. Christina was the one winning the grammy and getting the number 1s. I thought that was fact. Christina's career in America never really recovered from Stripped. Dirrty was just too much for them at the time whereas Europe totally accepted her that era and she ended up being a bigger artist than Britney was for most of 2003 and 2004.

The Britney VS Christina thing actually helped both their careers because it made them a discussion point.
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Whoopie Doo:
“Christina was a bigger artist in America during her first year while Britney was bigger on a global scale. Christia was the one winning the grammy and getting the number 1s. I thought that was fact. Christina's career in America never really recovered from Stripped. Dirrty was just too much for them at the time whereas Europe totally accepted her that era and she ended up being a bigger artist than Britney was for most of 2003 and 2004.

The Britney VS Christina thing actually helped both their careers because it made them a discussion point.”

Which is the point i was making which is why BOMT is irregardless of quality iconic same with Stripped its iconic more than Britney was
toanythingtaboo
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“yeah i get that but she still was nowhere near that level and i have always thought it was in part to her debut and the choice of i turn to you ruined her momentum

andagain i know that but my original point was in reference to the question that xtina's debut hadn't the impact and was largely more successful stateside hence why i think BOMT is better”

How many times do I have to say that I'm not arguing that Christina was as big as Britney?
Hav_mor91
28-03-2012
Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“How many times do I have to say that I'm not arguing that Christina was as big as Britney?”

well why do you keep disagreeing with me all i said was Christina had bigger US success and from there you have sought to disprove me im aware your not trying to argue but your givng that impression
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