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Old 28-03-2012, 18:41
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...y-machine.html

Do we need another Sex Pistols again.

With all the crap music going around nowadays.
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:44
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It's not so much the attitude... more about the music, which Plan B certainly doesn't have!


There really is no young punk bands about at the minute. I think if you're going to be rebellious, you've got to have some sort of reason to rebel also... The Sex Pistols were anti-monarchy, apart from Sid who just seemed to hate everybody
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:45
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I am rather content with music at the moment, which is the first time i have felt in about 2/3 years.
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:57
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Plan B is more a part of the problem than its solution.
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:59
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Plan B is more a part of the problem than its solution.
What? Compare to all the dance crap happening. At least his music is creative.
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Old 28-03-2012, 18:59
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I was saying this the other week on this forum. Where are the angry young men (and women)? We're living in a society where the government couldn't give a toss about people, especially young people, unless they're filthy rich. Young people can't afford to buy or even rent a house and the job situation is getting worse by the day.

The problem seems to lie in the relentless hammering of any expression of anger in society. We have become passive and emasculated, castrated by the hand-wringing mantra of never causing anyone "offence". Agitators like political left-wingers and trade unions are vilified as extremists and "loony lefties". We're being told by the most vile advertising campaign I've seen in decades to "Keep Calm and Carry On."

I say: Bollocks to that. Get up and get out there. Buy a guitar and shout and scream and make your voice heard otherwise nothing will ever change; we will just roll over, spread our cheeks and let the government f**k us up the arse forever.

Young Britain needs to wake up.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:04
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This sort of thing comes along every 10 to 20 years or so. In the 60s it was the beatles, late 70s The Sex Pistols and late 80s early 90s Rave, Madchester andNirvana. Yes we are overdue a bit of rebellion, maybe we used our quota up in the late 80s and 90s
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:06
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I was saying this the other week on this forum. Where are the angry young men (and women)? We're living in a society where the government couldn't give a toss about people, especially young people, unless they're filthy rich. Young people can't afford to buy or even rent a house and the job situation is getting worse by the day.

The problem seems to lie in the relentless hammering of any expression of anger in society. We have become passive and emasculated, castrated by the hand-wringing mantra of never causing anyone "offence". Agitators like political left-wingers and trade unions are vilified as extremists and "loony lefties". We're being told by the most vile advertising campaign I've seen in decades to "Keep Calm and Carry On."

I say: Bollocks to that. Get up and get out there. Buy a guitar and shout and scream and make your voice heard otherwise nothing will ever change; we will just roll over, spread our cheeks and let the government f**k us up the arse forever.

Young Britain needs to wake up.
I pretty much agree, you've got a conservative government in power at the moment that wants to make life more difficult for young people... not sure why they wouldn't want to get off their backsides and express how they feel through music. Rock music can be quite influential when they build up a fanbase...

U2 with their take on the IRA...
Oasis with their feelings on Thatcher and the Tories...
Sex Pistols with their hate for the monarchy...

The list is actually endless, but those bands are just a few examples.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:18
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I don't know if music needs a kick up the backside but LMFAO certainly do.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:18
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I was saying this the other week on this forum. Where are the angry young men (and women)? We're living in a society where the government couldn't give a toss about people, especially young people, unless they're filthy rich. Young people can't afford to buy or even rent a house and the job situation is getting worse by the day.

The problem seems to lie in the relentless hammering of any expression of anger in society. We have become passive and emasculated, castrated by the hand-wringing mantra of never causing anyone "offence". Agitators like political left-wingers and trade unions are vilified as extremists and "loony lefties". We're being told by the most vile advertising campaign I've seen in decades to "Keep Calm and Carry On."

I say: Bollocks to that. Get up and get out there. Buy a guitar and shout and scream and make your voice heard otherwise nothing will ever change; we will just roll over, spread our cheeks and let the government f**k us up the arse forever.

Young Britain needs to wake up.
Um...it has woken up. Point is, the adults aren't listening? Riots, student protests anyone? Radio is a problem too. Most good songs aren't even played.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:20
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Right, thats it then! i'm off to write the next number 1 song so watch this space

(i'm 18 by the way)
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:24
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Right, thats it then! i'm off to write the next number 1 song so watch this space

(i'm 18 by the way)
Excellent
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:30
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It's all about lucky breaks now.Or winning X Factor.Driving to gigs over night and playing live for years doesn't count any more.Thats why so many are so soulless when on stage these days.I find it really sad.
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Old 28-03-2012, 19:42
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It's all about lucky breaks now.Or winning X Factor.Driving to gigs over night and playing live for years doesn't count any more.Thats why so many are so soulless when on stage these days.I find it really sad.
Probably like 2% of the artists in the charts come from X Factor.

I agree the charts are quite bad at the moment, but X Factor is not the problem, and the lack of rock music is not the problem, it's too much watered-down dance-pop/electropop/europop music.

I was saying this the other week on this forum. Where are the angry young men (and women)? We're living in a society where the government couldn't give a toss about people, especially young people, unless they're filthy rich. Young people can't afford to buy or even rent a house and the job situation is getting worse by the day.

The problem seems to lie in the relentless hammering of any expression of anger in society. We have become passive and emasculated, castrated by the hand-wringing mantra of never causing anyone "offence". Agitators like political left-wingers and trade unions are vilified as extremists and "loony lefties". We're being told by the most vile advertising campaign I've seen in decades to "Keep Calm and Carry On."

I say: Bollocks to that. Get up and get out there. Buy a guitar and shout and scream and make your voice heard otherwise nothing will ever change; we will just roll over, spread our cheeks and let the government f**k us up the arse forever.

Young Britain needs to wake up.
I'm a young person (19 years old), that can't rent a house (although I currently rent a room in a house with like 15 other young people), and I did have a LOT of difficulty getting a job, although I did manage to get one in the end.

I can't speak for everybody, but I personally never really felt the need to rebel or riot. Maybe it's just my personality, I don't know.

And if I ever did want to express myself through music, I would most certainly NOT pick up a guitar to do it.
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:13
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Anyone here familiar with XAVIA ?? Best new band in a looong time IMO. If you like Electro Rock / Muse / Green Day etc check out these links - be interested to hear people's thoughts on them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLxMc...ature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=KwedKd...fqb4OtSH-S4%3D
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:16
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hmmm second link not working for some reason if you like the first song "Lust" YouTube "Xavia Hate this and I'll Love You"
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Old 28-03-2012, 20:35
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This is the only new band i've taken any interest in... band called Red House Glory

Fire up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s11ExS62S4A


Breathe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkKL9...ure=plpp_video
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Old 28-03-2012, 23:01
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The Flats are the only band that comes close to the Pistol but Radio and TV won't play there music.

Black Box Revelation are one to watch out for but they have been around for sometime now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIl5C...feature=relmfu
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Old 28-03-2012, 23:51
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This sort of thing comes along every 10 to 20 years or so. In the 60s it was the beatles, late 70s The Sex Pistols and late 80s early 90s Rave, Madchester andNirvana. Yes we are overdue a bit of rebellion, maybe we used our quota up in the late 80s and 90s
Yes, everything that is supposed to be so edgy like Adele, Amy Winehouse, Azealia Banks is all so retro. There was no new major movement in pop music during the 00s. That was a big surprise and not a little disappointing.
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Old 28-03-2012, 23:58
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Yes, everything that is supposed to be so edgy like Adele, Amy Whitehouse, Azealia Banks is all so retro. There was no new major movement in pop music during the 00s. That was a big surprise and not a little disappointing.
There were big movements in some genres in the 00's (dance, hip hop, pop, RnB), just not in rock music. It's been practically non-existent in mainstream music as long as I can remember to be honest.
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Old 28-03-2012, 23:58
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Yes, everything that is supposed to be so edgy like Adele, Amy Winehouse, Azealia Banks is all so retro. There was no new major movement in pop music during the 00s. That was a big surprise and not a little disappointing.
There won't be anything new. What else is there to do?
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Old 29-03-2012, 00:20
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There were big movements in some genres in the 00's (dance, hip hop, pop, RnB), just not in rock music. It's been practically non-existent in mainstream music as long as I can remember to be honest.
There were no movements in those genres that can compare with the major movements.of Heavy Metal, Punk, 70s Disco, New Wave, Rap, 80s House, 90s Grunge....etc. Rock's best days may be behind it but there was no major movement in dance, hip hop, or RnB during the 00s. The only movement would be retro pop like Amy Winehouse or, possibly, the influence of karaoke music through programmes like Idol and X-Factor.
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Old 29-03-2012, 00:28
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There won't be anything new. What else is there to do?
Predicting disruptive movements in pop music is not that easy. They are usually so left field. I thought the folk rock thing of Mumford & Sons might have been influential as it seemed to be about rediscovering something fundamental about music. I really think Amy Winehouse might also have been onto something as she was being retro purposefully but that has been cut short.
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Old 29-03-2012, 00:40
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Predicting disruptive movements in pop music is not that easy. They are usually so left field. I thought the folk rock thing of Mumford & Sons might have been influential as it seemed to be about rediscovering something fundamental about music. I really think Amy Winehouse might also have been onto something as she was being retro purposefully but that has been cut short.
True.
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Old 29-03-2012, 00:41
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There were no movements in those genres that can compare with the major movements.of Heavy Metal, Punk, 70s Disco, New Wave, Rap, 80s House, 90s Grunge....etc. Rock's best days may be behind it but there was no major movement in dance, hip hop, or RnB during the 00s. The only movement would be retro pop like Amy Winehouse or, possibly, the influence of karaoke music through programmes like Idol and X-Factor.
X Factor and other reality TV shows had very, very little impact on mainstream music in the 00's.

And there was much more movement, and much faster movement in the other genres like dance, hip hop, pop and RnB in the 00's than there was in rock music, where pretty much nothing happened. In the other genres there were a few years where gangsta rap was popular, a few years of middle-Eastern infused music being popular, a few years of crunk being everywhere, and so on. Now we've got europop. I know these trends/phases are nothing compared to what was going on in rock music in past decades, but in the time frame of 2000-2012, it's more than what's happened in rock music in the same time frame.

Also, Amy Winehouse wasn't really doing anything THAT much different to anybody else. Just soul/RnB music. Same with Adele, Duffy, etc. Their songs aren't much different to what a lot of black American artists do/did.
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