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Jai McDowall - another 'Boo Hoo! I Got Dumped And It's All Cowell's Fault!' Story ...
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Samantha_Who
11-05-2012
What a non story. The chap was given everything he was promised!

Its funny how entitled these reality winners can be. They're so out of touch too, maybe its being propelled into instant fame that gives them the impression they should be given instant success too!
jackbell
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by Vol:
“I don't think Cowell is anti Scottish... but I think he may now fear the Scottish vote (Leon Jackson anyone?).”

I think it started with the McDonald Bros who were clearly after the (possibly mythical) "Scottish vote" - they sang Proclaimers songs, Bay City Rollers songs, wore kilts, wore tartan and Simon had his very precious Leona in the competition (who he feared would suffer the curse of the girl singer). I think he got too passionate with his personal view and it looked like he was anti-Scottish.
ABCZYX
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by Samantha_Who:
“What a non story. The chap was given everything he was promised!

Its funny how entitled these reality winners can be. They're so out of touch too, maybe its being propelled into instant fame that gives them the impression they should be given instant success too!”

Did you read my previous post in this thread? I have copied and pasted tweets of his explaining it.
kleinzach
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by stash22:
“The last one was a couple of months ago and very much appeared that he had sold 'a story' rather than a couple of quotes over the phone. I accept that they twist comments but in that case he should maybe stop talking to them, as he had to straighten out the comments in the last article too. He said he stands by what was in the article...other than the fact he dislikes simon so it sounds like most of those comments do reflect what he thinks.”

The press very rarely pay anything for a story and when they do it is a big exclusive not a single story in a scottish newspaper. Perhaps you have his invoice for the payment?

I just love DS because of its assumption of guilt before innocence. It can be a bit of a kangaroo court at times. Newspapers have stories prewritten before they interview people so my guess is that when they got the news that Jai had been dropped they called him to get 'his side of the story'. Remember that Simon has far more PR behind him than any of his artists past present or future.

Any artist should be grateful for the support they receive it doesn't endear them to anyone to b1tch about it after. But to a newspaper, this is too neat and tidy and means it isn't really news, so they need to 'sex it up a bit'. Don't believe all you read, it always has an editorial slant geared towards those that help them generate ad revenue. It's not your 30p that pays for your copy of The Sun (or whatever other newspaper you care to buy) but all the ad money. "He who pays the piper calls the tune" as the saying goes. Murdoch didn't pull the NOTW because he was disgusted with what happened, it was the advertisers withdrew their money.
shaunnashines
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“I think it started with the McDonald Bros who were clearly after the (possibly mythical) "Scottish vote" - they sang Proclaimers songs, Bay City Rollers songs, wore kilts, wore tartan and Simon had his very precious Leona in the competition (who he feared would suffer the curse of the girl singer). I think he got too passionate with his personal view and it looked like he was anti-Scottish.”

Susan Boyle?
twingle
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by shaunnashines:
“Susan Boyle?”

and Michelle McManus

Actually it makes me laugh when they talk about the Scottish vote. England has what 15 mill people Scotland 5mil? Like that would make a huge difference

Same with Wales and Louis's Irish votes
stvn758
11-05-2012
500k would set me for life and then some. It's a moot point now whether they find success afterwards, think most will be drooling at the thought of the cash.
Vol
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by twingle:
“and Michelle McManus

Actually it makes me laugh when they talk about the Scottish vote. England has what 15 mill people Scotland 5mil? Like that would make a huge difference

Same with Wales and Louis's Irish votes”

England?...Try 50 million, and as a Scot I assure you there is such a thing as the Scottish vote, although mainly within the older generations.
jackbell
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by twingle:
“and Michelle McManus

Actually it makes me laugh when they talk about the Scottish vote. England has what 15 mill people Scotland 5mil? Like that would make a huge difference

Same with Wales and Louis's Irish votes”

At the risk of opening a can of worms here ...

There are Scottish people that live in England too, so it is not always about geography. Same with Irish people - although I'm English my ancestry is Irish and when I was very young the same old traditional Irish tunes would always be played at Christmas/New Year. My family were very proud of our (distant) Irish heritage.

The Scottish and Irish seem more 'passionate' and 'proud' and seem more likely to rally round and support their own. I remember seeing "Michelle won it for Scotland!" headlines on Scottish newspapers after Pop Idol 2 etc.

I did say it was "possibly mythical" though and I really don't want to step into this argument again.
meglosmurmurs
11-05-2012
Can't really comment on stuff I can't see for myself, but the stinking attitude I did see was on BGMT after Jai had won, and more importantly, Ronan didn't. Amanda was especially ticked off.
Sun Tzu.
11-05-2012
He won and got his prize, he should get over it and move on. He isn't a world class talent.
nancyboy
11-05-2012
He seems like a nice but extremely naive guy who's being set up as the new Steve "Grumpy" Brookstein by journalists asking leading questions and using selective quotes.

Not sure he should have bought a house on a road called "Fail Avenue" - what a gift for the sleazy hacks.
Cestrian18
11-05-2012
If you sign someone, I don't understand why you wouldn't try your hardest to make them a success and regardless of what happened he should have been invited back to perform this year, all the other winners were. Admittedly Jai had the personality of a Peanut but he could belt a tune and the British public pretty much overwhelmingly voted him the winner so there would have been some people who didn't even know he had an album who would've bought it.
JanetDevlinUK
11-05-2012
The way Simon refered to him as "last years winner" Ouch!!!

He might as well have called him "yesterdays news"
kyresa
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“If you sign someone, I don't understand why you wouldn't try your hardest to make them a success and regardless of what happened he should have been invited back to perform this year, all the other winners were. Admittedly Jai had the personality of a Peanut but he could belt a tune and the British public pretty much overwhelmingly voted him the winner so there would have been some people who didn't even know he had an album who would've bought it.”

Exactly. I had no idea he had an album out and I was happy he won.
Sun Tzu.
11-05-2012
What was odd was Simon calling him a "sore loser" when he won the show last year. So basically Simon thinks what you do after the show matters more. Which it probably does in reality but it kind of undermines his show.
thms
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“I think it started with the McDonald Bros who were clearly after the (possibly mythical) "Scottish vote" - they sang Proclaimers songs, Bay City Rollers songs, wore kilts, wore tartan and Simon had his very precious Leona in the competition (who he feared would suffer the curse of the girl singer). I think he got too passionate with his personal view and it looked like he was anti-Scottish.”

the macdonald brothers were great.. better than leona
Nyota
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by JanetDevlinUK:
“The way Simon refered to him as "last years winner" Ouch!!!

He might as well have called him "yesterdays news"”

Jai wasn't even news when he did win. Rarely seen such a massive lack of interest in one of these talent show winners before as there was with him.

Poor chap just has no personality or charisma whatsoever.
jackbell
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by thms:
“the macdonald brothers were great.. better than leona”

Are you Scottish?
jackbell
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“What was odd was Simon calling him a "sore loser" when he won the show last year. So basically Simon thinks what you do after the show matters more. Which it probably does in reality but it kind of undermines his show.”

Dunno how you drew that conclusion.

By 'bad loser' I think he means that the recording industry is a game - which it is really; everything is a gamble and a game of chance. And Jai lost.
Cestrian18
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by Nyota:
“Jai wasn't even news when he did win. Rarely seen such a massive lack of interest in one of these talent show winners before as there was with him.

Poor chap just has no personality or charisma whatsoever.”

But then again neither does Susan Boyle and she's the most popular winner ever. I remember watching an ITV special and she had to have Piers Morgan as a crutch-It was particularly painful
Sun Tzu.
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“Dunno how you drew that conclusion.

By 'bad loser' I think he means that the recording industry is a game - which it is really; everything is a gamble and a game of chance. And Jai lost.”

Because he won the show and failed to make a big career out of it (so far anyway). So for me he is putting more emphasis on what acts do after the show and not so much on the show.
ABCZYX
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by Nyota:
“Jai wasn't even news when he did win. Rarely seen such a massive lack of interest in one of these talent show winners before as there was with him.”

This was because Simon didn't want him to win. This was evident in the BGMT show where the topic of the show was, "The runner ups on these talent shows do really well". Jai was put to one side.

Also, Ronan was signed up to a recording contract before Jai was. I know that the winner isn't automatically entitled to a recording contract, but it felt like that Ronan was more important than Jai. Jai was the winner, so this should have entitled him to be the main priority. And the fact that Jai's recording contract was terminated before Ronan's meant that his contract was shorter than Ronan's was. Which isn't really fair.

Quote:
“Poor chap just has no personality or charisma whatsoever.”

I think he does. He came across as a thoroughly decent guy on the show and I liked him from his first audition. So I think he has personality and charisma.
thms
11-05-2012
Originally Posted by jackbell:
“Are you Scottish? ”

i'm half scottish, half italian
Sun Tzu.
11-05-2012
You can have personality and charisma but do you have that star quality to make it in the music industry which is the main question.
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