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Old 04-04-2012, 14:50
Simon Rodgers
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I completed a form for information on the Irish lottery and I got a call from a man in Canada. I asked him for some literature and asked why someone from Canada was calling and he just said he would send the literature and cut the call short.

I also know that Royal Mail are NOT allowed to deliver foreign lottery tickets.
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Old 04-04-2012, 15:14
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I think you probably responded to an advert or flier from something called the European Lottery Guild. I was looking at a flier yesterday that contained such things as "Irish Lotto - Give it a go!" and invited me to send off for a "FREE Irish Lotto information pack". The impression it gave was that it was from the Irish Lottery itself, which puzzled me because in order to take part in that one has to be an Irish resident. From the Irish National Lottery FAQ:

Do I have to be a Republic of Ireland resident to open an account?

Yes, in order to register and create an account, you must be a Republic of Ireland resident.
http://www.lottery.ie/en/Play-Online1/Play-Online-FAQ/

Though there are many other Irish lottery websites that look as if they're official but aren't, I think I've quoted from the official one. Anyway, if one looks reasonably carefully at the flier that I think you received, under the section where you have to fill in your name and address details there's this: "By completing and returning this form you agree that European Lottery Guild may contact you in future by post, phone or email..."

So what is the European Lottery Guild? One thing it certainly isn't is the Irish National Lottery, and it looks dodgy to me. There's a thread about it here:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=3230842

One post in that thread runs thus:

Is ELG honest? All I can say is that my 91 year old uncle received a letter asking him to subscribe to the Irish lottery. He signed up and received a phone call from a man in Vancouver who was very friendly ( my uncle being totally alone) and managed to get him to pay 460 for lottery tickets. The debit on his bank account shows ELG and Netherlands. (ELG operates phone calls from Canada and banking in Netherlands) The debit that was taken was 4600. This was then repeated with a request for 450 followed by a debit for 4500. There was then a debit for a further 4000 which he says he didn't initiate at all. The second and third debits were by the Australian International Lottery Agency.

He has since received a series of letters containing hundreds of lottery numbers and also letters from ELG showing pictures of winners. He has also received a christmas card from his agent and a glossy book of photos of Vancouver.

The whole thing is a 100% scam. The only question is: Is ELG a totally fraudulent company or is it a totally honest company that has been cloned so that people are actually signing up for something masquerading as ELG?

I personally feel that the fact that my uncle's 'friend' is in Vancouver, and the company is operating out of the Netherlands is a fairly clear indication of the answer.
I was slightly interested in playing the Irish Lottery, but I'd steer well clear of the European Lottery Guild.

ETA: European Lottery Guild website.

More information from the Western Australia Department of Commerce ScamNet: European Lottery Guild
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Old 14-04-2012, 01:50
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I got the post from a Liverpool address with a pre-paid envelope. I just wrote "Please remove me from your mailing list" on the stuff they sent me, crossed out my address and posted it all back at their expense.
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Old 14-04-2012, 08:32
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I've thrown away the flier that I had, but in the UK the European Lottery Guild uses a Liverpool address :

Prize Draw Rules: Prize Draw promoted by European Lottery Guild (ELG), Freepost RRCB-TXYR-AYKU, Suite 5, Imperial Court, Exchange Street East, LIVERPOOL, L2 3AB

The company is based in the Netherlands, but it also seems to have Canadian connections and gives contact phone numbers for many countries:

http://www.europeanlotteryguild.com/...ut_elg/contact
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Old 14-04-2012, 13:33
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I'm confused as to what the benefit of entering an Irish lotto is compared to the UK lotto (other than the fact I suspect a lot of these lottos from elsewhere are scams!)

I wonder if, like the UK Lotto, you're not allowed to buy tickets unless you're in the country that it applies to?
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Old 18-04-2012, 15:58
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Everything about what you described sounds like scam. Besides the weirdness of the countries... why is someone calling you in the first place?
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