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Old 24-02-2013, 10:48
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overnights:

e5: 452k (2.05%)
e6: 357k (1.8%)

Table so far:

Overnights:

ep 1/12: 594k (2.65%)
ep 2/12: 433k (2.2%)
ep 3/12: 454k (2.0%)
ep 4/12: 408k (2.1%)
ep 5/12: 452k (2.05%)
ep 6/12: 357k (1.8%)

Officials:
ep 1/12: 823k
ep 2/12: 653k

(with thanks to NeilVW in the ratings thread)

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Old 24-02-2013, 14:58
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Bloody hell, last night was a bit bleak wasn't it? Is there anyone we like that isn't in massive trouble now? Aaargh!
I have just started watching this series never having seen anythign previously. Quite enjoying it although sometimes it verges on heavy going, could just do with a little chink of light in the darkness of people smuggling/fanatics/all round scum bags.

I do like that nice Pierre though, he seems as though he has been a man of honour (guessing not having seen previous) but I don't like that Josephine woman - am I supposed to? She seems so unlikeable, so currently not happy that he has developed feelings for her when it seems she could destroy him. I take it she has been in all series and yet just going on this she feels like she should be getting her comeuppance - even if she did have a rotten childhood

It is so dark and the badness seems so all enveloping that it really makes me root for Laure and her band and old Judge Roban. Great stuff.
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Old 24-02-2013, 16:59
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They've all done something corrupt at one time or other, especially Laure and her team! But mostly to protect each other, or other of their friends, whereas Josephine's actions have mostly been to protect or benefit herself, and I suppose Juge Roban would see his as being for the cause of justice.
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Old 24-02-2013, 17:53
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I like Josephine. Yes, she's done some awful stuff, and nearly all of it for herself (although she has done nasty things in order to protect Pierre more than just this time, I'm fairly sure?) but I think there's still enough about her to make us empathise with her a bit. Plus, Pierre loves her, and he's a good guy, so he must see something in her. I don't think she wanted to be corrupt and twisted...

Yes, Forget me Not, Pierre has always been a good guy - honest and above board. He has loved Josephine for a long time though - I think he's been hoping he'd be a good influence on her - but I think last night was the first time he's admitted it, especially to anyone else.
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Old 24-02-2013, 18:35
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Old 24-02-2013, 18:36
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Exactly - it's part of what the show is trying to say. "Marianne" describes an embodiment of what France stands for, a sort of equivalent to Britannia. All this is playing out in front of Marianne an allegory for how the descent of the French justice system and the endemic corruption is happening in front of the powerless "Marianne" embodying French society

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianne
Very interesting - hadn't realised this.
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Old 24-02-2013, 19:47
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Just caught up. I think this series is fantastic!!!

Anybody know how many episodes are left?
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Old 24-02-2013, 19:58
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we're at the half way point, so 6 more to go.

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Old 24-02-2013, 20:02
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Thanks, Kenny.
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Old 24-02-2013, 20:12
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Presumably the implication was that the Sarahoui's had Nabil bumped off with Gilou's gun??
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Old 24-02-2013, 21:39
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Just caught up. I think this series is fantastic!!!

Anybody know how many episodes are left?
So far its the best out of the four. Three and one were about equal. Two was OK but not as good as the others.
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Old 24-02-2013, 21:46
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Presumably the implication was that the Sarahoui's had Nabil bumped off with Gilou's gun??
Yep a Beretta 92FF with the number scratched off. Good riddance too, the double dealing little so and so trying to nab 30k for himself. How did he think he would get away with that?
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Old 24-02-2013, 21:58
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overnights:

e5: 452k (2.05%)
e6: 357k (1.8%)

Table so far:

Overnights:

ep 1/12: 594k (2.65%)
ep 2/12: 433k (2.2%)
ep 3/12: 454k (2.0%)
ep 4/12: 408k (2.1%)
ep 5/12: 452k (2.05%)
ep 6/12: 357k (1.8%)

Officials:
ep 1/12: 823k
ep 2/12: 653k

(with thanks to NeilVW in the ratings thread)

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On a downward spiral it seems.
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Old 24-02-2013, 22:01
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VV was speaking in terms of ratings, I think.

Spiral probably suffered from being one of the first BBC4 euro-subbed dramas, which didn't really take off until TK1, by which time Spiral S2 had already been shown, so the new euro-viewers felt they didn't know the characters well enough to invest their time - possibly!

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Yes, I was refering to ratings. I feel that people are put off as they may find Sprial a little OTT and the fact that it is FRench may put people off. There had been very little exposure to Swedish or Danish prior to Wallander and the Killing and I feel that as they were something different from somwhere different that helped increase people's curiosity.
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Old 24-02-2013, 22:04
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Amazon??? I think we got all 3-in-1....
My personal favourite for story lines is 1 I think. Am getting a bit fed up with illegal immigrants, drugs, nitty gritty. What I love about Spiral is the brilliantly drawn characters and their private stories.
Borgen is currently my favourite (much to my surprise!)
Borgen is my favourite too, followed by The Killing, the RL Wallander, The Bridge KH Wallander, Bergman and Spiral. Insp Montalbano is my least favourite.
I love the characters in Borgen, they seem very very real and their emotions and storylines seem very believable too.
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:00
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On a downward spiral it seems.
I see what you did there!
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Old 24-02-2013, 23:02
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Yep a Beretta 92FF with the number scratched off. Good riddance too, the double dealing little so and so trying to nab 30k for himself. How did he think he would get away with that?
As soon as he tried that on he might as well have painted a massive target on his back
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Old 25-02-2013, 13:33
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Officials:

ep 3/12: 649k
ep 4/12: 599k

Table so far:

Overnights:

ep 1/12: 594k (2.65%)
ep 2/12: 433k (2.2%)
ep 3/12: 454k (2.0%)
ep 4/12: 408k (2.1%)
ep 5/12: 452k (2.05%)
ep 6/12: 357k (1.8%)

Officials:
ep 1/12: 823k
ep 2/12: 653k
ep 3/12: 649k
ep 4/12: 599k

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Old 25-02-2013, 14:51
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Borgen is my favourite too, followed by The Killing, the RL Wallander, The Bridge KH Wallander, Bergman and Spiral. Insp Montalbano is my least favourite.
I love the characters in Borgen, they seem very very real and their emotions and storylines seem very believable too.
I have to admit that I am struggling with Spiral. The characters just seem to be so unpleasant, and it is so dark it is difficult to like any of them. The guy , Robart , who looks like Arsene Wenger is a rare exception. Can't that Laure have a wash at the very least, has she even combed her hair for a month ?

For the Saturday nights rankings I would go for, Borgen in first place , Inspector Monty second and then the other Danish / Swedish ones , but with Spiral coming last
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Old 25-02-2013, 15:13
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This is still depressing the hell out of me, but am still glued to it. What is lovely Pierre doing staying with Jorkal? I know the other guy basically said you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, but it seemed like he could have left it there. Maybe Josephine's influence is rubbing off. Interesting to see her double dealings with Special Branch too, in part to protect Pierre.

I wasn't sure if Tintin was going to make it out alive; he seems to have made a quick recovery, physically at least. Wouldn't be surprised if he called it a day soon though, especially with more sproglets on the horizon. Getting more and more worried for Gilou- why does he get himself into these situations?! Wasn't sure if the Sarahouis would believe him over the 30k but even now he doesn't seem any closer to extricating himself from the mess.

Oh and more greatness from Monsieur le Juuuuuuuuge, love it

ETA: Forgot to say, my favourite bit was where Laure slagged off Josephine to Pierre only to have him say he was in love with her. Laure's hasty "oh, I take that back, forgive me" and Pierre's unconvinced look was hilarious!
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Old 25-02-2013, 15:47
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The guy , Robart , who looks like Arsene Wenger is a rare exception. Can't that Laure have a wash at the very least, has she even combed her hair for a month ?
That's funny - Juge Roban is just about my least favourite character because he's such a hypocrite - he comes on all holier-than-thou, but he breaks the rules himself too, for instance when he faked that break-in to his office.
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Old 25-02-2013, 16:51
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I have to admit that I am struggling with Spiral. The characters just seem to be so unpleasant, and it is so dark it is difficult to like any of them. The guy , Robart , who looks like Arsene Wenger is a rare exception. Can't that Laure have a wash at the very least, has she even combed her hair for a month ?
It took me a while to 'get' the characters but I love Spiral now. Tintin's one of the less dodgy characters too! Yes it's grittier than the Nordic stuff but I think it's a clever critique of the French justice system. I really like the way the various story strands link in with each other: the 'cogs' or 'gears' - 'Engrenages'.
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Old 25-02-2013, 19:31
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.. but I don't like that Josephine woman - am I supposed to? She seems so unlikeable,
I've seen all previous three series over the last six years or so and I can confirm she is quite restrained by her standards this series.

Can't remember too many specifics over all this time but she usually gets up to some real borderline evil nonsense in series 1-3... but I still like her a lot. Good job she's only fictional
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Old 25-02-2013, 20:05
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I've seen all previous three series over the last six years or so and I can confirm she is quite restrained by her standards this series.

Can't remember too many specifics over all this time but she usually gets up to some real borderline evil nonsense in series 1-3... but I still like her a lot. Good job she's only fictional
Indeed she is being relatively well-behaved! I remember when she held back some evidence that could've got a guy (I think he had been a defence lawyer in the past) off a conviction for rape.

I think she's a great character though - never a dull moment.

Oh and also les flics are also well-behaved dans cette series. They used to rough up suspects rather a lot. I think Caroline Proust said in an interview that there isn't any of that now due to them having to be more realistic and respect human rights (I'm paraphrasing) - although quite why they wouldn't have to have done that a couple of years ago, je ne sais pas.
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Old 25-02-2013, 20:22
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I'm hooked on this show. I was so glad Tintin survived - he's a moral character on the show, a voice of reason and I think the show needs that, seeing as all the other characters are on a slippery slope... even though he's physically recovered though, I think he's going to struggle mentally overcoming this.

I'm really pleased with Josephine's character development over the past episode or two - she's without a doubt, one of my favourite characters and I think her and Pierre have a great chemistry. Pierre seems to be getting himself in deep water though! I think him and Josephine need each other.

I loved the ending to the latest episode! Has Gilou gone too far this time? Surely there will come a time where he ends up being sacked or imprisoned, or even murdered?
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