[tvmad-alan]

As you may have seen virgin are changing there services with new name and with the dropping of the V+ boxes for the Tivo and V HD boxes only being sold from now on to new customers.

This is a push that make customers pay more for the TV services as tivo will be £5 a box from now.

So as the V+ boxes give up you will have buy into the £5 service to record tv from virgin or loose that service and have V HD box that gives you one channel at the time, while freeview + HD, Freesat + HD are going be free to record another channel as you watch another.

So free HD from virgin is being dropped by the a back door of the tivo box, OK it has internet links with app's.

[BenMcr77]

Originally Posted by tvmad-alan

So as the V+ boxes give up you will have buy into the £5 service to record tv from virgin or loose that service and have V HD box that gives you one channel at the time, while freeview + HD, Freesat + HD are going be free to record another channel as you watch another.

Completely wrong. If your V+HD box breaks, it will be replaced by another V+HD box

You will not be forced onto TiVo

[martine93]

Monthly fee
(per box)

£5/included in Collections

http://shop.virginmedia.com/digital-...ox-prices.html

https://my.virginmedia.com/customer-...llections.html

As someone else pointed out
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post35407292

[BrunoStreete]

Originally Posted by tvmad-alan

As you may have seen virgin are changing there services with new name and with the dropping of the V+ boxes for the Tivo and V HD boxes only being sold from now on to new customers.

This is a push that make customers pay more for the TV services as tivo will be £5 a box from now.

So as the V+ boxes give up you will have buy into the £5 service to record tv from virgin or loose that service and have V HD box that gives you one channel at the time, while freeview + HD, Freesat + HD are going be free to record another channel as you watch another.

So free HD from virgin is being dropped by the a back door of the tivo box, OK it has internet links with app's.

Tivo is miles better than V+ and will only get better.

[Derekb108]

Originally Posted by BrunoStreete

Tivo is miles better than V+ and will only get better.

Here! Here!

This Virgins Best box Ever, I know people dont like change dont listen to old rewiews there biased as the features are continually evolving to an inspiring tv experiance even though tivo/virgin havent finished what this Baby can do as its only the begining! Are you in for a new revoloution.....


This box is based on the Premier and has a Dual core chip until Flash updates x64 software Tivo will run on one core...

Skys the Limit

[Toby53]

I have just changed my set up with VM, they are very happy to let me keep a Tivo & a V+ both fully activated and have been advised that theres not issue with future support for the V+ box

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Derekb108

Here! Here!

This Virgins Best box Ever, I know people dont like change dont listen to old rewiews there biased as the features are continually evolving to an inspiring tv experiance even though tivo/virgin havent finished what this Baby can do as its only the begining! Are you in for a new revoloution.....


This box is based on the Premier and has a Dual core chip until Flash updates x64 software Tivo will run on one core...

Skys the Limit

I agree. Just got to sort the content out and we will be out of this world!

Let's start with Sky Atlantic, shall we...?

[BrunoStreete]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I agree. Just got to sort the content out and we will be out of this world!

Let's start with Sky Atlantic, shall we...?

The Sky Atlantic situation is boring me. Lots of the stuff on there is repeats and the ratings are pretty poor as well.

[joshua_welby]

Originally Posted by BrunoStreete

The Sky Atlantic situation is boring me. Lots of the stuff on there is repeats and the ratings are pretty poor as well.

I also have Sky and Sky Atlantic have new programmes that I am starting to watch now from the UK and the USA

[tvmad-alan]

Originally Posted by BrunoStreete

The Sky Atlantic situation is boring me. Lots of the stuff on there is repeats and the ratings are pretty poor as well.

Yes this going on and on...
Sky Atlantic has had shows that have not made it pass the first season and HBO, which holds most the channels shows also sell shows to other channels around the world and over the hold that sky has they will be shown on other channels in the end, so while should virgin spend so much on a channel that sky hold as top hold back?

There many good channels that virgin should get before that one, that many customers have asked for years, like ..
HISTORY HD
ITV 2, 3, 4 HD
MGM HD
Disney HD
Horror +1
CBS Drama
and others.
What we need is for sky to give F1 HD to virgin and virgin to give F1 a pay channel apart from Sky sports channels too.

Also this year our BBC are going to put 24 live HD channels on freesat and sky for the games, so are virgin going hold them too?

[paulschapman]

Originally Posted by tvmad-alan

Yes this going on and on...
Sky Atlantic has had shows that have not made it pass the first season and HBO, which holds most the channels shows also sell shows to other channels around the world and over the hold that sky has they will be shown on other channels in the end, so while should virgin spend so much on a channel that sky hold as top hold back?

We still have not seen Game of Thrones or Boardwalk Empire without having to buy the DVDs (like the former, got bored of the latter)

Also this year our BBC are going to put 24 live HD channels on freesat and sky for the games, so are virgin going hold them too?

Yes we are.

[martine93]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Let's start with Sky Atlantic, shall we...?

I do not think Sky Atlantic will come to Virgin Media this year.

[jam_man]

Sky Atlantic is a great channel, worth it for Game of Thrones alone.

[davebav50]

Whats the issue with not getting Sky Atlantic and Game of Thrones? In their own advertising for high speed broadband, Virgin gives times for how quickly one can down load films, music and tv programs from the internet. Series 3 of Breaking Bad takes under 1 hour to download for instance.
The future is about program content, not channels.
Channels will only matter for live shows eg sports, news and similiar.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by davebav50

Whats the issue with not getting Sky Atlantic and Game of Thrones? In their own advertising for high speed broadband, Virgin gives times for how quickly one can down load films, music and tv programs from the internet. Series 3 of Breaking Bad takes under 1 hour to download for instance.
The future is about program content, not channels.
Channels will only matter for live shows eg sports, news and similiar.

You cannot legally download Sky Atlantic first run series because Sky hold all the rights. If we could, not having Sky Atlantic wouldn't be a problem!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by BrunoStreete

The Sky Atlantic situation is boring me. Lots of the stuff on there is repeats and the ratings are pretty poor as well.

I don't want Sky Atlantic for the repeats, I want it for the new HBO shows in particular. All the digital channels have loads of repeats, which you need, actually, because of the choice now available.

The ratings are only poor because Sky Atlantic is available only via Sky satellite. The programming is better than Sky 1.

[lost property]

Back to the thread.

Utterly fed up of reading Tivo advocates; singing it's praises over that of the V+; whilst ridiculing those who dare feel otherwise.

Yeah guys/gals..we are not all misinformed, cretinous, stuck in the dark ages, pieces of flotsam..with IQs printed on the sole of your shoes, our shoes worn out due to pounding the pavements for a job..

..the cr*p analogies could go on. I *KNOW* what a Tivo is. I have no gripes with the damn thing. BUT I'm an individual..scary innit..!!

And I love my V+..The Tivo would be great if I needed it. All I require of any TV, recordy, show things I like, pause whilst I poo - are 100% perfectly met by my crusty old V+ box.

If that gauls Tivo-a-holics; then...ummm (thinks)...your malfunction to deal with; I can only suggest green tea before bedtime, along with lavender oil rubbed into the temple for 5 - 10 minutes daily.

V+ is great for those of us who feel adequetely (or more) catered to by what it does; and what we individually want and/or expect from it.

No issue with Tivo..just the ubber-gobs on keyboards; who treat those like me as if we are misaligned muppets unaware of what Tivo truely is & all that it can offer.

I love my V+ & hope in vain that it's a service retained, maintained and updated fairly for a long time to come.

[Richardcoulter]

Originally Posted by BenMcr77

Completely wrong. If your V+HD box breaks, it will be replaced by another V+HD box

You will not be forced onto TiVo

Originally Posted by Toby53

I have just changed my set up with VM, they are very happy to let me keep a Tivo & a V+ both fully activated and have been advised that theres not issue with future support for the V+ box

In the medium term yes, but eventually it will be Tivo or nothing!

Originally Posted by tvmad-alan

Yes this going on and on...
Sky Atlantic has had shows that have not made it pass the first season and HBO, which holds most the channels shows also sell shows to other channels around the world and over the hold that sky has they will be shown on other channels in the end, so while should virgin spend so much on a channel that sky hold as top hold back?

There many good channels that virgin should get before that one, that many customers have asked for years, like ..
HISTORY HD
ITV 2, 3, 4 HD
MGM HD
Disney HD
Horror +1
CBS Drama
and others.
What we need is for sky to give F1 HD to virgin and virgin to give F1 a pay channel apart from Sky sports channels too.

Also this year our BBC are going to put 24 live HD channels on freesat and sky for the games, so are virgin going hold them too?

I believe that ITV 2, 3, 4 HD are the most likely to appear on your list when the ITV Player is updated to allow it to show adverts to pay for them.

ITV want money for them, VM don't want to pay. If negotiations are successful, VM will be letting ITV use their technology to place adverts on the ITV Player. The extra money generated by this advertising will give ITV the money they want, without it costing VM anything.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by lost property

Back to the thread.

Utterly fed up of reading Tivo advocates; singing it's praises over that of the V+; whilst ridiculing those who dare feel otherwise.

Yeah guys/gals..we are not all misinformed, cretinous, stuck in the dark ages, pieces of flotsam..with IQs printed on the sole of your shoes, our shoes worn out due to pounding the pavements for a job..

..the cr*p analogies could go on. I *KNOW* what a Tivo is. I have no gripes with the damn thing. BUT I'm an individual..scary innit..!!

And I love my V+..The Tivo would be great if I needed it. All I require of any TV, recordy, show things I like, pause whilst I poo - are 100% perfectly met by my crusty old V+ box.

If that gauls Tivo-a-holics; then...ummm (thinks)...your malfunction to deal with; I can only suggest green tea before bedtime, along with lavender oil rubbed into the temple for 5 - 10 minutes daily.

V+ is great for those of us who feel adequetely (or more) catered to by what it does; and what we individually want and/or expect from it.

No issue with Tivo..just the ubber-gobs on keyboards; who treat those like me as if we are misaligned muppets unaware of what Tivo truely is & all that it can offer.

I love my V+ & hope in vain that it's a service retained, maintained and updated fairly for a long time to come.

Steady, now, lost property! I loved my V+ box, too. It's just that TIVO is so much better.

I'm sure that some people still prefer their black and white TVs. I don't understand them either...

[joshua_welby]

Originally Posted by Richardcoulter

In the medium term yes, but eventually it will be Tivo or nothing!

I agree, soon it will be Tivo or nothing and all the old boxes will be turned off, that is what I got told by Virgin Retentions last week when I spoke to them
and that is why I had to upgrade my TV and Broadband at the same time

[NickDay85]

Originally Posted by joshua_welby

I agree, soon it will be Tivo or nothing and all the old boxes will be turned off

No!

Even if your wildly inaccurate post was correct, TiVo is the better box of the two, so V+ users would get an upgrade.

Still, in response to your original post. No!

[lost property]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Steady, now, lost property! I loved my V+ box, too. It's just that TIVO is so much better.

I'm sure that some people still prefer their black and white TVs. I don't understand them either...

..so now you're trying to convince me that there are telly boxes which show pictures in actual 'colour'...??

[St@mmie]

Originally Posted by lost property

Back to the thread.

Utterly fed up of reading Tivo advocates; singing it's praises over that of the V+; whilst ridiculing those who dare feel otherwise.

Yeah guys/gals..we are not all misinformed, cretinous, stuck in the dark ages, pieces of flotsam..with IQs printed on the sole of your shoes, our shoes worn out due to pounding the pavements for a job..

..the cr*p analogies could go on. I *KNOW* what a Tivo is. I have no gripes with the damn thing. BUT I'm an individual..scary innit..!!

And I love my V+..The Tivo would be great if I needed it. All I require of any TV, recordy, show things I like, pause whilst I poo - are 100% perfectly met by my crusty old V+ box.

If that gauls Tivo-a-holics; then...ummm (thinks)...your malfunction to deal with; I can only suggest green tea before bedtime, along with lavender oil rubbed into the temple for 5 - 10 minutes daily.

V+ is great for those of us who feel adequetely (or more) catered to by what it does; and what we individually want and/or expect from it.

No issue with Tivo..just the ubber-gobs on keyboards; who treat those like me as if we are misaligned muppets unaware of what Tivo truely is & all that it can offer.

I love my V+ & hope in vain that it's a service retained, maintained and updated fairly for a long time to come.

I know what you mean, I don't want a box that suggests what I may ike, I know that already, I don't want a box that has you tube and other various apps, I just want a box that records what I tell it to and that I can pause and rewind when I need to.
I have an htpc connected to my tv that does all the "wonderful" things tivo does only 10 times better and far more,
and I certainly don't want to pay VM £5 a month for a load of features I don't want or need (I already begrudge having to pay for channels I don't want just to get the few I do!).
I fear in 12 months time people will realise its another case of VM and the emperors new clothes, I.E. flashy box that the novelty has worn off with and sub standard content.

[cretin]

I know what you mean, I don't want a box that suggests what I may ike, I know that already, I don't want a box that has you tube and other various apps, I just want a box that records what I tell it to and that I can pause and rewind when I need to.
I have an htpc connected to my tv that does all the "wonderful" things tivo does only 10 times better and far more,
and I certainly don't want to pay VM £5 a month for a load of features I don't want or need (I already begrudge having to pay for channels I don't want just to get the few I do!).
I fear in 12 months time people will realise its another case of VM and the emperors new clothes, I.E. flashy box that the novelty has worn off with and sub standard content.

Also in full agreement with this. Tivo is fab for those who want its features...I'm just not one of those who wants said features.

V+ does all I want and need - and if I can't find a gripe; then no way am I upgrading and shelling out for something surplus to my personal requirements

[War On]

Lost Property, St@mmie and cretin, surely there isn't an issue here...

TiVo does everything the three of you have said you want from your boxes plus more. If VM migrate non TiVo customers over and charges those customers for the box and/or monthly fee, then you'll have the opportunity to end your custom with VM.

If at the point your not happy then leave and take up whichever solution(s) you can/want and problem solved.

If of course your thinking that overall you'll stay with VM even if they do push you to TiVo as it remains ur best option even with a £5 premium, then fair play (on a strategic level) to VM.

They are repositioning their price points due to their opinions that they now offer premium products/services across their portfolio. If it works then clearly this is a strong commercial move.

Btw I understand that the v+ has a few advantages over TiVo which is why I won't upgrade my 2nd box for now - so I'm certainly not a TiVo fanboy - but my main point is you should just leave if/when this happens assuming there's a better option for you; and if there isn't (not meaning to be rude) but sadly it's just tough and the name of the game IMO.